Not Tonight Spock!
|Title:||Not Tonight Spock!|
|Editor(s):||Sarah Leibold and Linda D. Biggs, then just Sarah starting with issue #10|
|Date(s):||June 1984 -1987|
|Fandom:||Star Trek: TOS|
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Letterzines at the time tended towards the crudzine end of the spectrum; they weren't much to look at but got the job done. Not Tonight Spock! was clean, nicely laid out, and chock-full of features. A given issue had articles (what we would now think of as meta), interviews with prominent K/S writers and editors, reviews of recent K/S zines, art, cartoons, K/S trivia or puzzles, and of course, letters. The editors were both American, but even in the first issue, letters came from fans in Australia, England, Canada and Scotland as well as all over the US.
There were fifteen possibly sixteen, issues. All were printed offset, folded and center stapled.
While some letterzines rewarded subscribers who wrote prolific letters, free copies for Not Tonight Spock! contributors were limited to those who provided reviews, articles, and interviews.
- Not Tonight Spock! (June 1984-February 1987)
- On the Double (November 1986-January 1996)
- The LOC Connection (January 1989-December 1993)
- Come Together (January 1994-August 1996)
- The K/S Press (September 1996-present day)
For other letterzines, see List of Letterzines.
From the First Editorial
Welcome to the premiere issue of NOT TONIGHT SPOCK, an information and letterzine devoted to the K/S concept. This is a new venture for Enterprising Press, and we hope that you all receive as much enjoyment from reading it as we had putting it together. It is a publication which came out of a devotion and love for K/S that we, one fairly new devotee and one 'veteran' (and we won't discuss who is who) were very pleased to discover is shared by many others across the country and around the world. We hope NTS will become the place for all K/S fans to share thoughts, ideas and opinions concerning our 2 favorite guys as well as a place one can drool over what's available and what's proposed in K/S zines. We want to emphasize that this is very much a fanzine. A zine like NTS, more so than any other type of zine, stands or falls on how involved its readers become in its contents. So please, don't hesitate to become an active part of NTS.
In the first issue, the editors stated that they reserved the right to edit contributions (generally for length), "in which case you would be notified and/or consulted, time permitting." They also stated that "our policy is a forum for all fans to express themselves. However, we are not here to provide an arena for personal combat between fen who disagree. Reactions to all of a an issue's contents are encouraged and welcome, but any really sarcastic remarks, cruel personal comments, backbiting, etc., will be promptly edited out."
- #1 (January 1984): The word slash is used twice in the first issue. Once by the editor (who went back to using "/" in the next issue) and once by a columnist (who then used "/" throughout the rest of that column).
- #3 (May 1984), in an interview: "I have a basic problem with the proliferation of "slash fandoms.""
- #5 (September 1984): in an interview: "The K/S premise seems to me to leap right out of the screen, but I can't call myself an objective observer. From early childhood days I loved the slash concept. When I used to watch "Man from UNCLE" I concocted the juiciest fantasies about Illya and Napoleon -- and this was even before I even heard the word homosexual. I also loved Sherlock Holmes and Doctor Watson. But when in my 20's I started watching 'Trek' it was like finding pure gold."
- #11 (November 1985), the editor writes: "Finally, a brief reminder to anyone interested in submitting zine ads to NTS. The policy is that the zine must be K/S-oriented, have a heavy K&S relationship emphasis or be a slash zine in another fandom. Ads for other newsletters will also be accepted. Unfortunately, space limitations make it impossible for me to accept all zine ads."
This zine, however, has the honor of being the first published fanwork to use the word "slash" as in verb form. From an ad in #5 for Warriors/Lovers: "Are you tired of zines just dedicated to K/S, S/H or H/J? Is your imagingtion [sic] whispering: "What about the other slash pairs in history, films, fantasy, horror, & TV?" Well, Slashers, rejoice! Presenting: Warriors/Lovers by The Theban Band/Saffo Press! For more info [redacted] Keep in mind -- this will not be your ordinary "/" zine!"
Announcing the Last Issue
There were fifteen issues, possibly sixteen.In issue #15, the editor wrote:
Greetings! I'm sure many of you had all but given up hope of ever seeing this next-to-last issue of NTS. However, here she is in your hands and I do hope you enjoy it.... I thank you for your patience in waiting for this issue... There will be one more issue of NTS. Which, barring anymore unforeseen obstacles or crises, should be out the beginning of May, 1987. We do hope to have a few extra special touches in that final issue that will insure that NTS will close up shop with a satisfied sigh if not fireworks and war whoops.
Issue 1 (1984)
Not Tonight Spock! 1 was published in January 1984 and contains 36 pages.
- Editorially Speaking (1)
- Observation Deck (issue topic: Do you perceive K/S as an equal relationship/partnership?) (3)
- Headache #1 (column by Sharon F, topics: K/S and other slash topics) (11)
- From the Library Computer (zine reviews) (15) Scandals of Shikahr, Nor No Man Ever Loved, T'Zad'U, Still Out of Bounds, Old Friend, see those pages
- Not Tonight, Spock! Interview with Victoria Clark & Barbara Storey, see that page (19)
- HEAD-lines by The Dawn's Early Light ("The Incredible Towering Passion Spear Meets the Massive Rose-Gold Stiletto," some short fiction parodying euphemisms for male sex parts) (23)
- Personal Log (LoCs/reader comments) (25)
- Some Thoughts on Alexander and Hephaistion (article) (29)
- Con News (30)
- Rec Room (a lengthy logic puzzle in narrative form called "The Best Laid Plans," the answer could be procured by sending the creator an SASE) by Susan Beth Schnitger (31)
- A K/S Writers Guide to Male Part Euphemisms "Compiled (in the wee hours of the morning at Shore Leave #5 by Betsy L. Barr, and Pamela A. Perry
- K/S Zine Trivia Contest (34)
- Star Trek Moods (35)
- Classified Ads, including one for "Whips and Chains" which was never published, see Proposed Zines (37)
- Crew Assignments, zine ads (interspersed)
Some Excerpts and Highlights:
- a fan explains how she discovered K/S fandom and how it has affected her life:
- from the Alexander/Hephaistion article: After a good deal of (Trek inspired) reading, both fiction and non-fiction, regarding Alexander, I'd come to regard Hephaistion as somehow essential to the story. He was Alexander's lifelong friend and companion, always at his side.... In Trek, we have zines where Kirk and Spock have a friendly, loyal, yet basically working relationship, zines where the brotherhood theme, and/or hurt/comfort is explored and K/S zines in varying degrees of explicitness. In character.
- from "Headache #1" which discusses equality between Kirk and Spock, recent proliferation and perceived lesser quality in K/S zines, how Starsky & Hutch zines now reflect an early stage of early K/S zine fandom:
- also from "Headache #1," a comment on why the Harry/Johnny universe is so tight and fun, as well as a jab at another fan (name redacted here, but included in the original text) the columnist felt was acting in a hypocritical way: H/J is a well written, consistent universe precisely because there is only one editor putting out the material and she can be selective. This ensures that H and J fuck at least once a page. If you haven't read H/J, I urge you to try it it really fun. An aside if any of you happen to be at a con and hear [R R] babble on about how terrible "/" fandom is, how disgusting the zines are, etc., please ask her how she can say this and with a clear conscience write H/J.
- from the interview, Victoria H. Clarke and Barbara L.B. Storey answer the question "How do you view K/S fandom today? How do you think it has changed or evolved in the years since K/S has "gone public" and the 2 movies have been released?":
- a fan comments on the TOTM (Are Spock and Kirk equal in their relationship with each other?): I can think of plenty of stories where they don’t appear to havean equal partnership…for most of the story. The point is, by the end, the apparently weaker partner (usually Kirk by virtue of his lesser strength and lack of telepathic abilities) proves himself to have as strong a personality as the apparently stronger partner. Come to think of it, Spock asa slave does seem to beweaker than Kirk as a slave…but that’s a whole new subject. …Real life proves that most marriages are not an equal partnership, even when they appear to be, and biological accident ensures that where sex is concerned, one partner takes, the other gives. In K/S both partners giveand take. …With K/S they didn’t start with sex. They started with love and went on to sex as an expression of their attachment to each other…. Kirk and Spock are both themselves and allow each other to be themselves too. …And one last word—K/S is monogamous, whoever writes it. A zine full of heterosexual stories, written by different people, makes them the most active bigamists in the business, passionately in love with half a dozen different women in the course of the zine…. And I think that that monogamous quality is also a major attraction.”
- another fan's view on K/S equality:
Reactions and Reviews: Issue 1
'Not Tonight, Spock’ is a unique information and LOC zine aimed specifically at the growing K/S audience and offering discussion and commentary upon this phenomenon. The layout is simple and attractive, an editorial policy actively encourages reader feedback and participation. Of the several open forum columns, ‘Observation Deck’ is perhaps the most intriguing; it focuses upon a single discussion topic, that of the zine’s first issue bing ‘Do you perceive K/S as an equal partnership?’ The answers elicited are complex, thought provoking and moving. The premiere issue also features an interview of the zine editors/author Victoria Clark and Barbara Storey. Also featured is are clever commentary on the use of sexual euphemisms, reviews of fiction zines, and a Spock centerfold by Barbara Gordon. And the pages are rich with ads for published and proposed K/S zines. Perhaps the zine’s single flaw is the column entitled ‘Headache #1,’ authored by Sharon F; although well and intelligently written, her analysis of the present state of the K/S genre is seriously flawed by references to non-ST ‘/ zines and the frequent use of private in-jokes. NTS is a must buy for the K/S affectionando or for any ST fan wishing to learn more about the phenomenon. 
Issue 2 (1984)
Not Tonight Spock! 2 was published in March 1984 and contains 36 pages. It includes an interview with Darien Duck. The topic for discussion: What constitutes romantic action in the K/S universe? What can Kirk do for Spock, or vice versa, or they do together, to make you say, when you have finished a story, “Isn’t that romantic?
- Editorially Speaking (1)
- an announcement for the new K/Star Awards (for zines published in 1983) (3)
- Observation Deck (issue topic: What constitutes romantic action in the K/S universe? What can Kirk do for Spock, or vice verse, or they do together, to make you say, when you have finished a story, "Isn't that romantic?") (4)
- Headache #2 by Sharon F (9)
- Not Tonight, Spock! Interview with Darien Duck, see that page (12)
- The K/S Completist by Khrys Nolan (a section in which a fan writes about long-out-of-print, little known, or little published zines and stories with a K/S theme. This issue's topic was the very earliest of K/S fiction, A Fragment Out of Time, Grup, and includes a VERY long and detailed plot summary of The Ring of Soshern) (15)
- From the Library Computer (reviews of Duet #6, Nor No Man Ever Loved, Mixed Metaphors, and If Freedom Fall?, see those pages) (19)
- U.S./Canadian Zines (ads) (21)
- British/Australian Zines (ads) (25)
- Personal Log (LoCs) (27)
- Head-line by The Dawn's Early Light (some light narrative parodies about the use of descriptive language and the senses in K/S fiction: this one about: "Once upon a time, there were five little senses; touch, taste, sight, smell, and hearing. Their names were Velvety-Smooth, Honeyed-Cream, Rose-Gold, Tangy-Spice, and Gasp.) (32)
- Star Trek Moods (cartoon) by Joy March Fox (35)
- Rec Room by Susan Beth Schnitger (cryptograms) (36)
- Classified Communiques (personal ads) (37)
- art and borders by Ann Crouch, Joy March Fox, and Caro Hedge
Some Highlights and Excerpts:
- regarding "Headache #2" and its current subject of romance in K/S:
- a fan responds to the TOTM which had asked what constitute romance in K/S:
- another fan writes of romance in K/S: …I don’t think I everhave said of any story ‘Isn’t that romantic?’—on the other hand, I have been known to say ‘Nice,’ which I suppose is much the same thing…. I can enjoy explicit sex with the best (or worst?) but I don’t count that as romantic. It’s the quiet understanding, the companionship that provides that….
- another fan, Leslie Fish, writes of romance in K/S:
- more on romance in K/S: …My favorite ‘romantic’ action between Kirk and Spock occurred in ‘Ice Capades’ by Linda White (Companion 2). Kirk slides hishalf-finished bowl of salad toward Spock. The Vulcan then takes Kirk’s fork and with it finished the salad. That simple action bespeaks an intimacy far deeper than the mere sharing of a bed….
- a fan writes of what K/S and this letterzine mean to her:
- this issue has a long, long personal statement/letter from Della Van Hise regarding Pon Farr Press and the long, long delay in getting zines and other correspondence out. She mentions she is having to re-do Naked Times #4/5 part two, see that page
Issue 3 (1984)
Not Tonight Spock! 3 was published in May 1984 and contains 44 pages.
- Editorially Speaking (1)
- The Medusian's Box (2) (a new feature—that they would be providing alist of writers and artists who use pseudonyms, and anyone wishing to send a letter to those people could send it to NTS to be forwarded.)
- Observation Deck (discussion topic is "What is your favorite K/S scene or moment from the series or movies?") (3)
- Headache #3 by Sharon F (11)
- K/Star Award Nominations (14)
- Not Tonight, Spock! Interview with Carol Frisbie, see that page (16)
- A Working Relationship/Space Age Hornblower (article) by Cassie Dalton ("Kirk has been called a Space Age Hornblower. In the Horatio Hornblower books (18th, 19th British Naval adventure novels by C.S. Forester), Hornblower and the First Officer Bush have an interesting relationship, that curiously mirrors a good deal of the Blish interaction, conversations, and behavior between Bridge officers. (Although in character, Hornblower has a blend of Kirk and Spockian traits, being both outwardly formal and inwardly lively and observant.) Hornblower and Bush are ever concerned for each others welfare in danger, (Hornblower seeking Bush out in hospital and gently caring for him when the latter is wounded behind enemy lines.) Hornblower teases Bush, while envying his first officer's stoic attitude in a sea battle. Bush is always hovering to anticipate and provide assistance a half-smile is often bestowed on Hornblower whom he greatly respects. Often Bush struggles between formality and discipline and a friend's concern for Hornblower's constitution.") (20)
- The K/S Completist by Khrys Nolan (21) (this issue: information about dealing with zine sales and auctions, for those fans seeking to complete their collections with out-of-print zines. Also, a story description of “Nebula of Orion” (written and published by Gerry Downes in Stardate: Unknown #1) as well as a story synopsis of Gerry’s zine, Alternative: Epilog to Orion.)
- From the Library Computer (reviews of Broken Images, What is Honor?, Locusts and Wild Honey, Nightvisions, Thrust, Mirrors of Mind and Flesh, see those pages) (24)
- The U.K. Connection by Heather Whitefield (28) (Duet #9, Locusts and Wild Honey, and Re-Mix, see those pages)
- Personal Log (LoCs) (30)
- Book Trek (recommended books) (36)
- K/S Zine Trivia (37)
- Rec Room by Susan Beth Schnitger (38)
- Star Trek Moods (cartoon) by Joy March Fox (40)
- HEAD-lines by The Dawn's Early Light (41)
- Classified Communiques (personal ads) (44)
- art and borders by Ann Crouch, Joy March Fox, Caro Hedge, and The Southern Cross
Some Highlights and Excerpts:
- a fan in the UK's comments illustrate the limiting factor of physical distance:
- regarding pseudonyms, and "mixed" zines: First, of all, pen names. I agree with Karla that some people are in a job situation (or their husbands are) where it could be a mistake to let their own names be known. However, I also think that where a writer also writes 'straight' material, it's a good idea to use a pen name for one or the other. Even if Jeannie Bloggs makes no secret of the fact that she writes K/S as Jaggy Bones, Star Wars as Gay Snobe and Battlestar Galactica as Bonnie Jay, readers who like her work will know by the name which particular theme she's tackling in story X. I think this can be quite important as long as some editors put out media zines and also mix / stories with 'straight' ones. (On that theme I also think it is a mistake to mix K/S and heterosex in one 'adult' zine, because people who like the one don't necessarily like the other.) Personally, I tend to avoid mixed media zines; they're dear enough without having half of the content material that you don't want to read, either because you don't like the series involved or because you don't know it.
- a fan comments on McCoy in the K/S relationship and on threesomes:
- another fan also comments: By the way, I’m a McCoy fan and would really like to see more ‘/’ stories with McCoy either as a part of the relationship or having a more important part in a K/S relationship—is anybody writing that kind of story?
- a fan writes of why she likes K/S and that she is sometimes bothered by other fans' assumptions:
- a fan writes expresses dismay over emerging trends in K/S fiction:
- a fan expresses her relief at a K/S-only space: Congratulations on 'Not Tonight, Spock'. After years of patronisation: "K/Sers are at liberty to write what they want - don't get me wrong, I've got several gay friends - but I think it's disgusting..." (you know the sort), or downright hostility, it's nice to subscribe to a 'friendly' zine, where people are more or less on the same wavelength.
- a fan comments on early K/S and some fan writers:
- a fan rates some television shows on their levels of "slashability": ... let us proceed to the series in question: STAR TREK, STARSKY AND HUTCH, THE PROFESSIONALS and MAGNUM FORCE. Considering each in turn, they can be ranked in terms of the series with the most evidence for a "/" relationship. STARSKY AND HUTCH is number one in this regard. There is a great deal of physical contact, obvious affection and a definite attempt on the part of the actors to portray two french kissing homosexuals opps that's a line from the blooper reel — to portray two men who dare to care. STAR TREK places second. There are some moments in the episodes that are SOOOO K/S, that I'd like to know who was responsible for them—the script, the director, the actors, and that magic, that chemistry and interplay (must be the chemistry, didn't Bill admit that he and Leonard have loved each other for years?). THE PROFESSIONALS ranks a distant third. (I msut [sic] admit to making this judgment after seeing only the 6 episodes Darien Duck so graciously loaned Central Ohio and Lower Michigan). I am a confirmed fan of Doyle-he of the cute derriere (although Paul Michael still has the best in my book and Shatner can't be left behind), curly hair, twinkle in the eye, nice chest (Freddie's, though, is much better). There is not a lot to construe or misconstrue in this series. In fact, I felt as if I were seeing a late stage in a relationship, one in which the principals had been lovers but had taken other lovers even though they remained close friends and linked to one another in such a way that whither the one went the other would go. Of course, then there is that scene in the bowling alley when Bodie's hands managed to grope all over Doyle's body. MAGNUM FORCE (as the source for Harry/Johnny) is fourth, mostly by virtue of the fact that the fandom springs from one look in the middle of the movie. (One must applaud the writer of H/J for finding a way to make Johnny, a cold blooded killer a sympathetic figure that's fine writing folks!)
Issue 4 (1984)
- Editorially Speaking (1)
- K/Star Awards Winners (2)
- Observation Deck (issue topic, Do you believe Kirk and Spock are gay? -- Responses ranged from: yes, no, variations of “depends on the definition of gay” and “labels should be meaningless by then” - a few fans thought it an irrelevant question.) (3)
- Headache #4 by Sharon F (20)
- Mailbox (22)
- Not Tonight, Spock! Interview with Kathy Resch, see that page (23)
- K/S Completist by Khyrs Nolan (27)
- From the Library Computer (reviews of Day of Vengeance, Kirk Enslaved, What is Honour?, Naked Singularity, T'Zad'U, see those pages) (32)
- The U.K. Connection by Heather Whitefield (35) (She reviews Tangled Web, Romulan Exchange, House of Flame, and The Alternate Factor, see those pages)
- The Medusian's Box (36)
- Personal Log (LoCs) (37)
- He Is Risen? by Cassie Dalton (48) ("I was wondering if the K/S aspect had been heightened by the WOK movie ending? In noble attempts to solve (via fan fiction) the WOK ending, it seems that many people (who might, perhaps, not have considered this before) have been concerned with not so much "getting-Spock-alive-again", as in "restoring-Spock-to-Kirk." Giving Kirk back his soulmate, bondmate, life's partners, etc. People have been writing explanations, sequels, and resurrection sagas, in fan fiction with all the fervour of the New Testament gospel writers, or some mystical Eastern Sadhu, postulating the reincarnation of his god... There's even been the agnostics/atheists who have gone on detached to write stories without Spock! Terrible! I applaud all these fanfiction attempts to create a resurrection and restore Kirk and Spock to togetherness. To engender the K/S status quo. My own favourite is the McCoy "remember," which has all the hallmark of a commanded sacrament, and I'm sure Bones will regard and treasure it as such, he's the custodian of the Return.")
- Star Trek III Movie Reviews (49)
- HEAD-lines by The Dawn's Early Light (52)
- Star Trek Moods (cartoons) by Joy March Fox (54)
- Rec Room by Susan Beth Schnitger (55)
- Book Trek (recommendations) (56)
- Classified Communiques (personal ads) (57)
- art and borders by Caro Hedge, Barbara P. Gordon, Ann Croch, Joy March Fox
Some Highlights and Excerpts:
- a fan's remark on Hurt/Comfort:
- a fan addresses the issue of "gayness":
- another fan expresses her opinion about Kirk and Spock's sexual orientation and the label of "gay": …If Spock and Kirk are gay, then it totally lessens the special impact, and unexpected beauty of K/S…. K/S is unique, a one-off, a human/alien contact that surprised them both. Not gay, but nevertheless, lovers! If you add any latent ‘gay’ leanings to oneof them (while it may provide an interesting story format for a writer to work around) it lessens and diminishes the whole premise. It becomes less amazing.
- more from another fan:
- another fan, this one male, writes: …I am indeed that rarest of birds: the male K/S fan…. …Are Kirk and Spock gay? How do I answer? Much depends on who is asking the question. My Kirk and Spock would not classify themselves as gay. They are in love certainly, but that does not make them gay. They have had gay experiences, but that does not make them gay. They have had gay fantasies, but that does not make them gay. None of these together make them gay. At least not in the sense of a primary label. The reason for this is that a person’s sexual preference forms such a small part of the total person that it does not justify making it a primary classification by which we define this person…. And should someone read or hear about K/S and ask us: ‘Are Kirk and Spock gay?’…And let us have the wisdom to answer simply: ‘Kirk and Spock are in love.
- another fan thinks that Kirk and Spock are both bisexual:
- more on sexual orientation: That rather depends on how you define your terms. If being gay means engaging in a same-sex encounter one or more times during your life, then in most stories if K and S aren't gay at the beginning, they almost certainly are by the end. (This definition may be operating in an S/H story in which Starsky reveals to Hutch that he's "been gay" before meaning only that he has been with a man upon occasion.) I suspect, however, that most people would consider "gay" to refer not to a one-time sexual experiment but to an innate personal orientation towards partners of one's own sex. And by that definition, most K/S authors indicate that they do not think Kirk and Spock are gay... the majority of K/S stories focus on how the respect, admiration, friendship, and affection of the two grows into a love which they eventually discover (with greater or lesser degrees of resistence) has a strong physical component. In K/S it is love without consideration of gender preferences which initiates the physical relationship (even in the most severe throes of pon farr Spock is most often shown as being drawn to Kirk not from lust for his Captain's rose-gold body, but from that previously suppressed love which has produced a heretofore unrecognized bonding link). In this way K/S is both similar to and different from "/" universes. Both S/H and H/J, for example, occur in more familiar territory late-20th-century North America and their authors tend to feel a need to deal more directly with the whole issue of gay vs. "straight." In some stories this may take the form of having one of the partners determine that he is (and has been) homosexual, and has developed an attraction for his friend (thus allowing them to go through the endless agonies of remorse and guilt and longing and repression and will-he-won't-he, should-he-shouldn't-he that make up so much of all '/" stories). Even in these universes, however, the strongest emphasis is on the importance of caring and commitment and loving which finds physical expression in a sexual union and in many stories the characters themselves declare that the question of being "gay" is totally irrelevant as explicitly stated by both Harry (who assumed he was straight" for 40 years) and Johnny (who assumed he was gay because he had always gone with men, even though there is some question as to whether that was from internal inclination or external pressures); "Falling in love with a man isn't so different from falling in love with a woman you just have to learn the mechanics."  Or as Starsky thinks to himself in another story, the commitment and caring had always been there; this new marvel that made his blood sing was just frosting on the cake." 
- more on sexual orientation:
- a fan comments on what she felt to be negative remarks about a topic in the last issue: …[T]he interview last month with Carol F. got my goat. I personally am tired of the condescending attitude of some of the so-called original K/S writers and editors. Do we dare to write anything since we wouldn’t use as much care or thought in our stories as the great early writers!!!! After going back and rereading some of the early stories where ‘more care and thought’ went into them, I quickly realized that some (and note that I did not say all) were about the worst stories I have read, and the best K/S stories and novels are recent. Good and great stories have been done and will continue to be done. As to the comment "and are veering off occasionally into some strange direction. S/M and B&D and alternate universes where violent rape is a matter of course....but does it have much to do with Kirk and Spock?" K/S was also accused of not really being about or having to do with Kirk and Spock. When the stories are well done (and there are many), every situation could be believable, about Kirk and Spock and about some aspect of their character.
- a fan tells of an ugly scene at UFP Con 1984:
Reactions and Reviews: Issue 4
: Years back, there were many letters in "Not Tonight, Spock" and zines in the K/S APA that could be crudely boiled down to "I'm not *really* into homosex, I just really love Kirk and Spock and love to see them loving each other." The not-so-veiled implication being that their interests were nobler than those who were reading the stories for the sexual charge.
The usual evidence they offered to prove this was that their interests were strictly limited to this particular couple, not just any two good looking men.
At the time, I sort of agreed with them.This, of course, was before I fell for a certain man in black leather and studs.... And got interested in his relationship with a certain curly haired idealist..... 
Issue 5 (1984)
Not Tonight Spock! 5 was published in August 1984.
- Editorially Speaking (1)
- Observation Deck (issue topic: What fanzine story standsout in your mind that epitomizes your thoughts on the K/S relationship? Why? This TOTM generated only two responses.) (3)
- Headache #5 by Sharon F (5)
- Not Tonight, Spock! Interview with Beverly Sutherland, see that page (7)
- Not Tonight, Spock! Interview with Cynthia Drake, see that page (7)
- K/S Completist by Khrys Nolan (15)
- From the Library Computer (review of As I Do Thee #1, see that page) (18)
- The U.K. Connection by Heather Whitefield (20) (reviews of Never and Always with Lighter Shades, and Mirror Reflections, see those pages)
- Personal Log (LoCs) (22)
- The Ultimate Movie by Cassie Dalton (34)
- Star Trek III, reviews (35)
- Head-lines by The Dawn's Early Light (40)
- Star Trek Moods (cartoon) by Joy March Fox (42)
- Rec Room by Susan Beth Schnitger (43)
- Classified Communiques (personal ads) (45)
- art by TACS, Ann Crouch, and Joy March Fox
- photos from the recent Shore Leave
Highlights and Excerpts:
- many letters addressed the Naked Doubles flyer which was distributed anonymously at Shore Leave; this is one example: Just a short not this ish to comment on one event at Shore Leave this year. I speak, of course, about the vicious flyer NAKED DOUBLES (never thought I'd use that word in association with Star Trek). When non-fan friends ask "What's the attraction of these cons, and why do you spend all your time wrapped up in Star Trek?", I usually cite the wonderful people I've met & the feelings of friendship & warmth I've experienced in fandom. I'd have a hard time explaining this one. Such tactics as this attack on some of the most creative & hardworking people in Trek fandom cannot be allowed to damage what so many have built over the years. Its author has no place in Trek or any other fandom.
- a fan is happy with a touch of some diversity:
- a fan writes in of her anger and dismay regarding where she sees K/S fandom heading: I'm sick to death of misled fans and zine editors trying to smash my K/S ideal. As one editor said when asked why she printed and wrote violent, sad, S&M so-called K/S stories, "Because that's what reality is..." Exactly, my dear! You hit the nail square on the head! You're printing reality -- not my K/S dream. I have reality every day, up to here. Who needs more of it when trying to escape? Unless, of course, S&M is your dream. Then, in the spirit of IDIC, you're welcome to it. Only don't try to foist it off on unsuspecting fans under the sneaking guise of true K/S prose. For as another famous lady once said, "I don't want realism, I want magic...I don't tell truth... I tell what ought to be the truth". And now I'm beginning to learn from a friend of mine that we fans who are seeking a pure rendering of our K/S ideal, can make certain we get it. Simply by writing and asking each zine editor about the quality and content of their zine stories. Of course, the flyers give us an indication. But further, in-depth inquiries will give us more answers. Just come out and ask if there's violence or tragic endings included. That way we won't be throwing good money down the drain for crap which is passing for the real thing. Yes, the remedy is simple and it takes precious time. But it's up to each one of us to keep the K/S dream alive and clean, not let it be trampled in the mud by people who believe in, and even revel in, the rot of the world. I know I'm going to try. Because the K/S idea, my dream if you will, is very precious to me, and all that I have to keep that reality at bay.
- a zine editor apologizes:
- a fan submits the form letter sent to her by David Gerrold in response to her letter to him, one which was signed by twenty-five fans: [For more on this issue, see Open Letter to K/S Fandom by David Gerrold]:
Issue 6 (1984)
Not Tonight Spock! 6 was published in November 1984 and contains 42 pages.
- Editorially Speaking (1)
- Observation Deck (issue topic: Why are you a K/S fan? What do you find most appealing about K/S?) (3)
- Headache #6 by Sharon F (10)
- Not Tonight, Spock! Interview with Diana King in which she talks of her views of K/S and whether there will be a sequel to Captives), see that page (14)
- Duty Roster (editor's column) (18)
- K/S Completist by Khrys Nolan (20) (She discusses early K/S fiction, though makes a number of errors, most of which she corrects in issue #7)
- The U.K. Connection by Heather Whitefield (24) (a con report for Galileo Con '84. An excerpt: "Con auctions are a favorite haunt of mine and here adult material was segregated from general ST material and auctioned separately. Prices were low compared to past cons. Now, I know this doesn't please everyone, but I, for one, jumped for joy and pounced on two long-desired zines with Tom's enthusiasm for Jerry. Good USA zines are always in demand at British cons. The sales rooms were a disappointment, and I had to resort to individuals privately selling zines in order to obtain most of what I sought. This is a shame since I love browsing through amateur material and felt somewhat deprived of all sustenance.")
- From the Library Computer (reviews of Still Another K/S Zine, Out of Bounds, Again, As I Do Thee #1, To Invite the Night, see those pages) (25)
- Personal Log (reader comments) (28)
- Head-lines by The Dawn's Early Light (36)
- Star Trek Moods (cartoon) by Joy March Fox (38)
- Rec Room by Susan Schnitger (39)
- Classified Communiques (personal ads) (41)
- art and borders by Ann Crouch, Joy March Fox, and Caro Hedge
Highlights and Excerpts:
- a fan writes about the separation between the actor and the character:
- a fan writes about slash and characterizations in different fandoms: Each "/" fandom has, or should have, at its core, the love relationship between two people involved. But each "/" fandom also holds a different creative challenge for the writer... In the ST universe, the challenge, for me, is to create a totality of circumstances to reveal some facet of a character or the relationships the three main characters share. That is why I often write fuck stories—and why I often like good ones—because I know the characters are enjoying themselves, they are having fun and so did I in writing or reading the story. Writing in the K/S universe can, if I may border on the sacrilegious for a moment, be a bit like playing god. The appeal of Starsky and Hutch, for me, lies in the open closeness of the characters. And, in reconciling that with the restrictive environment they live in, not only in the sense of them being cops but in terms of today's social values. I do think though, that many writers of S/H have tended to focus on the question of sexual preference. For K & S, gay is a difficult label to apply because Spock is a Vulcan from a different value system and both are men of the galaxy. With S & H, that label can allow for the production of great stories as the characters come to understand them selves, each other, their love. I tend to see Hutch as gay despite his marriage. Starsky is a heterosexual who may have bisexual tendencies which come to the fore when he accepts his love for Hutch. But I must admit that it is fun to change this scenario—to make S & H more like K & S in that both were primarily heterosexuals who find the love they share so compelling that they risk everything for it. I elaborate on this because I see in S/H stories a tendency to focus on this question and the permutations of sexual preference rather than on the much larger, potential S/H universe which includes cop plots, LA's weirdness and the like. I think this may be, in small part, why there is a writing crisis in S/H fandom. Maybe now that so many stories dealing with the issues of sexual preference and the revelation of true love have been written, writers can move on to the fascinating universe there is to play with if one writes S/H.
- the same fan writes of the transitioning the four main fandoms of the time are experiencing:
- a fan responds to the TOTM: I am a K/S fan because I find a sense of ‘rightness’ about the relationship that is so often missing in other fiction. Most writers seem to find it impossible to portray a relationship in which passion, tenderness, understanding and respect are the cornerstones of the characters’ interaction. Between Kirk and Spock, these emotions are as natural as breathing…. Next comes the question of fidelity. This does seem very important to the K/S writer or fan, to the point where Kirk will ask for the bond although he is aware that it will eliminate any chance to change his mind. In fact, Kirk chooses to be compelled to exclusiveness, he wants it so badly. I find this very attractive… I’ve heard K/S dismissed contemptuously as ‘female fantasy’ because ‘gays don’t act that like that’…It’s interesting that if the male ideal of paradise is an unending sexual orgy, the female ideal should be of a tender, committed, lasting relationship….
- another answer:
- a fan responds to the TOTM: …For me Kirk and Spock’s relationship epitomized that: perfect understanding without the sacrifice of individuality. Two completely different individuals, with everything that word implies—different backgrounds, values, needs, personalities, expectations, who nevertheless understand the value of each in their totality…. A lot of it has to do with the concept of bonding. I get very violent when I read storiesabout either of my boys with someone else (male or female), but male more so. I think part of the reason is, I have come to envision the ‘ideal’ K/S relationship as onethat is totally monogamous. Given the bonding as it has been popularly portrayed, we have the makings of the ideal love/sex relationship in which one literally is another person—taking the idea of total understanding a step further to total unity, yet again without the sacrifice of identity.
- Sandy Herrold wrote:
- another fan responds to the TOTM: …The facet of the relationship that really appeals to me must be their total suitability for each other…. The other factor, of course, must be the exclusivity of the relationship…. From Kirk’s point of view, he is loved by a man who is not only devoted to him…but in whom he can trust implicitly without even so much as a second thought. From Spock’s point of view, he finds himself accepted, drawn in, by a man he admires and respects and who is brave enough, despite his heterosexual reputation, to cast all labels and barriers aside to cleave only to him….
- another fan writes:
- and finally: …Kirk and Spock were strong enough to see that they loved and that love they shared was too precious a commodity to be wasted. They were strong enough to accept that love in the face of outside pressures and in spite of their own past reluctance to acknowledge…. In in the sense of 2 people who happen to be men…having passionate sex because they are deeply (no pun intended) in love with one another. The sex isan extension (again, no pun) of their affection. It’s a physical statement of giving and trust. (How can anyone not be aroused by Spock, a being whose life isbuilt around control, surrendering every shred of control when he makes love with Kirk; there is no more uncontrolled moment than that of orgasm. The mere thought of that gift must be enough to make Kirk mushy inside and hard outside.)
- Dawn's Early Light addresses the fannish topic of The Bond in Star Trek fanfiction:
- a fan admits to falling into another fandom: Finally, as a recent, rabid covert to S/H fandom, I agree with Darien's letter and humbly apologize to Sharon for bitching about Freddie. Everyone in K/S seems to be taking on second and third fandoms (are they like mortgages? No, but you need one to afford them! Ar Ar...Humor...a difficult concept.) I see parallels between SH and KS and may even discuss them in writing here at one point.
- a fan comments on the recent commentary generated by David Gerrold's anti-slash remarks
Issue 7 (1985)
Not Tonight Spock! 7 was published in January 1985, printed offset, folded and center stapled, 36 pages. Art by Caro Hedge, Carol Swoboda, Joy March Fox, and Ann Crouch. Contains discussions about K/S, fanzine reviews, how to finance your zine, puzzles and cartoons. It also contains a "Legal Column."
- Editorially Speaking (1)
- Observation Deck (issue topic: What would happen if the pilot for ST was written today and began with Kirk and Spock being lovers—how would this effect the episodes?) (3)
- Headache #7 by Sharon F (7)
- Duty Roster (editor's column) (10) (zineds answer the question: "Do you finance all or part of your zine through orders taken before printing? How many pre-orders can you expect to get before going to press?")
- Right to Relief by Judith Gran (12) (a new column by a fan who is a lawyer: she addressed the issue of whether fan art portraying Kirk and Spock violates any rights of the actors who play the parts. Examining it under the common-law “right to publicity,” Judith concluded that if Shatner’s and Nimoy’s contracts give them the right to control or collect royalties from Paramount’s licensing of their images, then the actors also may have a right to control fan artists’ use of their images (for commercial purposes). However, she also noted that this licensing right may lodge with Paramount instead, and “fan art may properly be Paramount’s beef, but not the actors.')
- K/S Completist by Khrys Nolan (13) (a review of Obsc'zine #1, see that page)
- From the Library Computer (reviews of Naked Singularity, Starry Seas, Earthly Planes, Nome #7, see those pages) (17)
- Critic's Corner (in-depth reviews) (18)
- Personal Log (LoCs) (21) (one interesting note: a fan writes that she has several of Jennifer Guttridge's underground stories, ones never in a zine, and is willing to let folks know of their plots -- by agreement with the author, though, she is unable to recopy them for others)
- Star Trek Moods (cartoon) by Joy March Fox (33)
- Rec Room by Susan Beth Schnitger (34)
- Classified Communiques (personal ads) (37)
- art, borders, and cartoons by TACS, Caro Hedge, Ann Crouch, and Joy March Fox
Highlights and Excerpts:
- a fan answers the TOTM -- how would the aired series be different if Spock and Kirk were established lovers?:
- a fan relates to others a phone call she recently had with David Gerrold: According to David, he didn’t want to mention K/S in the revised edition of The World of Star Trek, feeling it best left ‘underground,’ but did so at the urging of his editor who encouraged him to write his impressions of the genre. He also stated that he doesn’t really care about K/S (an opinion he said is shared by Gene Roddenberry) and that he has no vendetta or campaign going to stop K/S. His main objection to K/S seems to be to the violence and sexual humiliation, the S&M elements, in some stories…. He mentioned that homosexuality between male fictional duos is not a new idea and has been suggested between such pairs as Batman and Robin, Starsky and Hutch, etc. His concern was not necessarily for Kirk and Spock, that we are defaming them, but for Star Trek. He stated that he has been writing ST in one form or another for nearly 20 years and feels responsible toward it and its fans. He seemed most concerned that no one and nothing adversely effect ST in any way…. He expressed an admiration for fan writing, stating that some of the more recent professional novels were written by people who started in fandom. He has no desire to curtail or stop fanzines, I don’t even think he wants to stop K/S. He came across to me as a person genuinely concerned for ST. David did mention that there is some concern at Paramount over K/S and that it is not impossible that the powers that be at the studio may take some action to stop K/S in the future. While this is something I am not going to worry about until it happens, I would like to suggest that editors and writers remember who they are writing about, that we watch the violence and not let it get out of hand. Kirk and Spock deserve respect and, while I fully understand the unpleasant situations anyone can get into in the course of life, they don’t deserve some of the perverse situations they have been put into by fandom. I don’t mean to dictate to anyone what they should write, I only wish to suggest that everyone be aware that fandom, K/S fandom in particular, is being watched closely by people who could possibly cause us quite a bit of trouble, and I don’t mean David Gerrold. I have no need, no desire to defend David, he does a fine job of doing that himself. And, in fact, I still disagree with what he wrote. But he and I came to an agreement to disagree with no hard feelings on either side. I found his willingness to do so quite refreshing. There is nothing objectionable about writing to someone stating your opinion, even a negative opinion, but can’t we try to extend thecourtesy we are asking of David by allowing room for his point of view? He spoke to me with respect and an open willingness to listen. In my view, that’s the basic spirit of Star Trek. What more can we ask of anyone?
- a fan apologizes for her letter in a previous issue, one where she complains of the murder, rape, and general mayhem in current K/S zines:
- the fan who wrote the column "The K/S Completist" put together a list of early K/S published zine fic:
- 1974 -- A Fragment Out of Time in Grup #3 (though she still errors with the title, calling it "To Invite the Night"
- 1976 -- the first entirely K/S zine ever published was Alternative: The Epilogue to Orion, in June 1976 -- several "proto-K/S stories were in More Grope, October 1976, -- Shelter in Warped Space #20
- February 1977 -- The Green Plague in Son of Grope, March 1977 -- Poses and several poems and stories in Obsc'zine #1, May 1977 --"The Hectic in My Blood" by Audrey Baker in Deep Grope, August 1977 -- various poems and vignettes in Obsc'zine #2, September 1977 -- Desert Heat and several other stories in The Sensuous Vulcan
- 1978 -- the first all-K/S anthology was Thrust, May 1978 -- "The Lost Decade" by Audrey Baker in The Gropes of Roth and "Between Friends" by Gayle F, as well as other stories and poems in Obsc'zine #3, September 1978 -- several K/S pieces in King Grope
Issue 8 (1985)
Not Tonight Spock! 8 was published in March 1985. Printed offset, folded and center stapled, 36 pages. Art by Caro Hedge, Barbara P. Gordon, Joy March Fox, and Ann Crouch. Contains discussions about K/S, fanzine reviews, sexuality in K/S fiction, puzzles and cartoons. On the cover: "Second Annual K/Star Awards."
- Editorially Speaking (1)
- K/Star Awards (2)
- Observation Deck (issue topic) (3)
- Headache #8 by Sharon F (7)
- Right to Relief by Judith Gran (10) (She wrote of the fandom-related implications of a 1984 Supreme Court decision that found videotaping of televisions programs to be “fair use” and not infringement of copyrighted material.)
- Sexuality in K/S Fiction: Sensuality vs. Genitality by Linda Frankel (11) (Explores “sensuality vs. genitality” in K/S fiction, including “This Deadly Innocence” by Leslie Fish, “Nightjourney,” a story in Thrust by Carol Frisbie and Susan James, and the stories of Teri White.
- K/S Completist by Khrys Nolan (13) (summarized some issues of Grope)
- The U.K. Connection by Heather Whitefield (17) (reviews of Twisted Labyrinth, Duet #10, and Tangled Web, see those pages)
- From the Library Computer (reviews of Naked Singularity, California K/S, see those pages) (19)
- Personal Log (LoCs) (21)
- Head-lines by The Dawn's Early Light (28) (She mentions the good editors and "Gafiation Crisis of 1982-1984" (K/S fandom), due to migration to other fandoms and those “losing the will to persevere in the face of overwhelming competition from a once small subspecies known as the Non-Editing Editor. This group has managed to thrive lately by adapting to the unstable conditions created by the K/S Readers’ insatiable demand for quantity over quality…")
- Star Trek Moods (cartoon) by Joy March Fox (29)
- Rec Room (games and quizzes) by Susan Beth Schnitger (30)
- Classified Communiques (personal ads) (36)
- art, borders, and cartoons by Ann Crouch, Joy March Fox, Barbara P. Gordon, Caro Hedge
Highlights and Excerpts:
- from "Sexuality in K/S Fiction": …On the one hand, the writers understand the significance of genital acts to man, and there seems to be an assumption that the relationship is not complete unless there has been oral or anal intercourse…. Yet, on the other hand, most of the writers are women and believe with the majority of women that caressing and cuddling are really significant…. This ambivalence is highlighted in two stories by Teri W. that appeared in Thrust… Spock’s need is for a genital act that will consummate his pon farr… However, Kirk shows the value of intimacy by kissing Spock and saying ‘That was for us.’ It is the kiss that represents the love between them, not the pain-ridden intercourse. Teri W.’s stories say to us that although intercourse is necessary, the real significance for a relationship is in sensual closeness…. The winning out of sexual affection over violent sexual expression [pon farr] seems to be desirable to K/S fans as well as to the writers. Many fans are expressing the fear that other values are asserting themselves in K/S fiction through rape, slavery and sado-masochism stories. Yet I find that even in stories whichdeal with these themes, the author is clearly rejecting them and asserting the value of tender affection in opposition. So K/S remains in accordance with the majority view of women that sensuality is the highest form of sexual love.
- a fan comments on "old" and "new" K/S fanfiction, and to the early pass around stories by Jennifer Guttridge:
- a fan writes writes of erotica, pornography, the current flap with David Gerrold, and female empowerment: When I first saw the revised WORLD OF STAR TREK I was both annoyed and amused at his [David Gerrold] inclusion of K/S in the "dark side" of ST, his somewhat condescending references to the "K/S ladies," and his odd assumption that as diverse a literature as K/S consists primarily of stories focusing on s/m and violence. However, I wonder at your [an early fan who'd correspondence with Gerrold] need to "reassure" him that not all K/S fen "approve" of this type of story. Certainly not all readers enjoy all kinds of stories, nor should we expect that they would. But why couch reference to this variety of taste in terms of approval and disapproval? That seems a bit defensive, and we shouldn't have to defend our fantasies, whether among ourselves or to the outside world (yes, I know that's easier said than done). It's also worth noting that dominance/submission stories—with varying amounts of violence—are not peculiar to K/S. Recent studies on women's erotic fantasies point out that a definite portion of the female population respond to such scenarios (often with a great deal of embarrassment or concern—"does this mean I really want to be raped?"—though the authors of the studies agree that this should not be interpreted as an invitation to real-world violence). Without going into the complexity of this issue, my point is that there is a surprisingly wide range of erotica to which a variety of women may respond. And in K/S especially—written, edited, and read almost exclusively by women with no intermediaries such as publishers or advertisers—it is unlikely that any thing has been forced upon us by a male establishment out to make money from putting down women (as mundane foes of "pornography" assert about their targets). These are our fantasies, and if we don't all share all of them or find that each one meets our individual needs, they are still genuine and important. (As a matter of fact, I think many of the so-called s/m stories often are ways of exploring in symbolic language a significant K/S theme: the necessity, as another fan has written, for both Kirk and Spock to become willing to experience "the dangers of emotional and erotic vulnerability," in order to undergo a personal transformation which will enable them to achieve true intimacy and equality in their relationship.)
- fans responded to the TOTM:
- another fan answers the discussion topic: Kirk, definitely not!…He might possibly be new to same-sex sex, but again I doubt it…. But I don’t see him as having entered into a long-term relationship with a male before Spock, or as having loved a man before. …I don’t see him [Spock] having casual sex for sex’ sake with anyone, male or female. Discounting outside influence, of course, when hewasn’t in control of the situation. I think he has always been drawn to Kirk, realizes heloves him, but won’t do anything about it. He’s been brought up to feel that sex is for reproduction and to associate it with Pon Farr, which he fears…. He’s definitely ‘virginal’ as far as knowing how good sex can be when shared between two people who love each other…. Only when the worldly Kirk shows him what sexual sharing can be, doe he realize that sex is not a thing to be feared.
- more, this one from Sandy Herrold:
- another fan writes: For the purposes of this articles, I am defining "virgin" as not having been with another man, not another partner.... One of the most unique and endearing qualities of the Kirk and Spock relationship to me involves what I’ll call here, for want of a better label, the ‘dynamics of reticence.’ Both Kirk and Spock, each in their different ways, had strong reasons to resist becoming too emotionally involved with one another. Some of the most powerful moments in the series relied on their acting on an intensity of feeling which was in direct conflict with the proper course or action for either their inherent training or the circumstances they found themselves in (recall Kirk’s emotions in ‘Amok Time,’ ‘Operation Annihilate,’ ‘The Immunity Syndrome,’ ‘Is There In Truth No Beauty,’ and God forbid, even ‘Spock’s Brain’; Spock’s emotions in ‘Tholian Web,’ ‘Amok Time,’ ‘Plato’s Stepchildren,’ ‘Devil in the Dark,’ ‘The Apple,’ ‘Deadly Years,’ ‘Turnabout Intruders,’ the list for Spock goes on and on). The magic here for me is that they both go against an established pattern of behavior for the sake of the other. This is especially attractive when considering Spock who has grown to adulthood without allowing any being to really ‘touch’ him until Kirk—either metaphorically or physically. It is a much more attractive concept to me than imagining he’s been fucking his way around the galaxy with males and females alike. That just removes the special circumstances that make Spock’s relationship with Kirk so unique. In my view of their universe, even the women in Spock’s life only got close to him when he was not in ‘control,’ although I do believe he has experienced sex with women…
- about LoCs, communication, and the quality of recent K/S fiction:
Issue 9 (1985)
Not Tonight Spock! 9 was published in May 1985. Printed offset, folded and center stapled, 44 pages. Art by Caro Hedge, Joy March Fox, and Ann Crouch. Contains discussions about K/S, fanzine reviews, writing K/S fiction, sexuality in K/S fiction, puzzles and cartoons. It encourages fans to vote in the K/Star Awards.
It was announced that Linda Biggs was leaving the editorial staff after this issue.
- Editorially Speaking (1)
- Observation Deck (issue topic: "What, in particular, appeals to you in a K/S zine? For example, do you look for specific authors, artists, editors, or type of story, etc.? Are the zines you’re reading now what you want?") (2)
- Headache #9 by Sharon F (11)
- Right to Relief by Judith Gran (15) (This issue addressed illegitimacy as a legal concept (relevant to Kirk’s son David.)
- Sexuality in K/S Fiction: Genital Size by Linda Frankel (16)
- K/S Completist by Khrys Nolan (18) (reviews Obsc'zine #2 and Obsczine, see those pages)
- The U.K. Connection by Heather Whitefield (22) (reviews of The Protege and Diversity, see those pages)
- From the Library Computer (reviews of Dreams of the Sleepers, Time Out of Mind, As I Do Thee #2, First Time #1, Duet #11, K/S Tonight see those pages) (24)
- Personal Log (LoCs) (32)
- Head-lines by The Dawn's Early Light (39) (“K/S Sniglets”: “words that should be in the old reliable trek dictionary…but aren’t.”)
- Star Trek Moods (cartoon) by Joy March Fox (41)
- Rec Room by Susan Beth Schnitger (42)
- Classified Communiques (personal ads) (45)
- art, borders and cartoons by Caro Hedge, Ann Crouch, and Joy March Fox
- this issue has a two open letters: Open Letter to K/S Fandom by David Gerrold and Open Letter to the Editors of All K/S Zines & All Other "/" Media Zines. The second letter was also printed in Universal Translator #27 and Datazine #36.
Highlights and Excerpts:
- from Sexuality in K/S Fiction: Genital Size -- about genital size and why it isn’t dealt with in K/S fiction. She suggests that “cocks are central to male sexuality,” that this “places men in competition with each other over their genital endowment.” She also suggests that cock size is particularly of interest to some gay men as a symbol of masculinity. “For K/S writers to show either Kirk or Spock so openly craving masculinity by voicing interest in cock size may be too uncompromisingly a statement of gayness for them…. It is Spock’s Vulcan restraint that allows the writers to evade the issue…. Spock would logically argue why the size of genitals is irrelevant to enjoyment of sex…. It might be entertaining indeed to see such a discussion between the two men in a K/S story, but such a frank treatment of a genuinely gay issue requires an overcoming of unrecognized homophobia in K/S writers…. “
- a fan takes up the discussion topic:
- another fan likes the new zines better: For the most part, I am very pleased with the zines that are coming out now. They are beautifully printed and bound. With the quality of Xerox machines now available, even photocopied zines are far superior to the older zines. The stories, art, and poetry are excellent.
- another fan finds that more is less:
- another fan echoes the dismay at proliferation of K/S fiction and sameness; she also comments on art:
- Sandy Herrold writes:
- a fan is becoming disillusioned with the state of K/S fiction and zines: I am no longer satisfied by much of the K/S I read. Because there are so many zines which sell quite well, I've begun to realize that perhaps today's fan reader, writer, editor has a set of expectations that differ considerably from mine... The expectations [scenario, characterization, insights, editing, etiquette,] I've just tried to elucidate were born of reading the classics & the many other excellent stories & poems that were written in the early days of this fandom. That many of my expectations are not being met by much of today's material doesn't mean that more classics aren't out there, waiting for their moment or that really fine stories & poems are totally missing. The list of materials nominated for the K/Stars contains work just as good if not better than some of the older material. It's the struggle to find it that depresses me, makes me wonder if many fans have ever read the early K/S material in COMPANION, THRUST, NIGHTVISIONS, ALTERNATIVES 2/3, NAKED TIMES 1-3, etc. Do many of you know what is lacking in much of today's K/S? In reading back over this, I think I see why so many gafiate. Expectations are not being met, writers receive no encouragement, no inducement to better their work. It's a rather stiffling atmospehre. I know I have no incentive to finish the 5 K/S stories & 2 long poems languishing in my notebook, half-completed. My recent correspondence with new editors makes me think I'm seriously out of synch with newer fans; my expectations do seem very different. I begin to empathize with Apollo when he went to join his god friends.
Issue 10 (1985)
Not Tonight Spock! 10 was published in August 1985. Printed offset, folded and center stapled, 40 pages. Art by Caro Hedge, Joy March Fox, and Ann Crouch. Contains discussions about K/S, fanzine reviews, sexuality in K/S fiction, puzzles and cartoons.
First off, I want to definitely clear up any confusion that may still exist about NTS. The zine is most certainly NOT going out of business. I received a number of letters, from fans in various parts of the country, stating they had heard that the zine was folding. I have absolutely no plans for retiring NTS. If & when that happens, you, the readers, will be the first to know, & you will read it in these pages. My thanks to those who wrote & informed me of the rumor & who gave their help in refuting it.
- Editorially Speaking (1)
- Winners of the K/Star Awards (2)
- Observation Deck (issue topic: Do you believe that “bonding” is essential to the K/S relationship? What is your conception of what “bonding” entails both mentally and physically?) (3)
- Headache #10 by Sharon F (10)
- Right to Relief by Judith Gran (13) (Gran takes on David Gerrold's open letter in the last issue and refutes the legal claims within it.)
- Sexuality in K/S Fiction: Internalized Homophobia by Linda Frankel (15) (Frankel takes on the issue of homophobia in K/S fanfiction and cites several stories (Desert Heat and Beyond Setarcos by Gayle F, "The Lorath" by Ray Newton, and "The Wise One" by Fiona James). She concludes with: "In the last analysis, the personality reintegration that is required by accepting homosexuality within yourself is a long and difficult process…. Eventually, Kirk and Spock can move beyond internalized homophobia, but there are no miracles and no simple answers that will get them there. When they finally do reach the goal of self-acceptance, they appreciate it all the more than if there had been no obstacles along the way. I salute the writers who show Kirk and Spock as maturing and changing human beings")
- K/S Completist by Khrys Nolan (17) (review of Deep Grope, see that page)
- The U.K. Connection by Heather Whitefield (21) (a review of Hidden Desires and Aftermath, see that page)
- Personal Log (LoCs) (24)
- Head-lines by The Dawn's Early Light (38)
- Star Trek Moods (cartoons) by Joy March Fox (39)
- Rec Room by Susan Beth Schnitger (40)
- Classified Communiques (personal ads) (41)
- art, borders, cartoons by Joy March Fox, Caro Hedge and Ann Crouch
- there is much about the centerfold in issue #8 by Barbara P. Gordon, as well as a number of responses to Open Letter to K/S Fandom by David Gerrold
Highlights and excerpts:
- more on bonding: Whether the bonding is essential to the K/S relationship depends on how you perceive their relationship. If they are close friends the bonding would not be essential, but if they are mates it would be. AMOK TIME establishes that Vulcans are bonded to their mates & I feel that as a Vulcan Spock would need & want the bond if he had a mate. I believe that Kirk would want the bond too since part of love is the need for mental & emotional as well as physical intimacy with the beloved & what could be more intimate than being able to "see" into someone's mind? I think the bond makes the mates always aware of the presence of each other. The bond does not invade mental privacy but it does allow the perception of the well being of the beloved as well as the sending & receiving of telepathic messages.
- another fan addresses the topic:
- another fan writes: The bottom line is that the bond is a more sophisticated, more articulate, more adult version of the security blanket. Since we can’t have that wonderful safeguard in our own lives, we’ve bestowed it on Kirk and Spock…. In a rambling sort of way, this brings me to whether the bond is ‘essential’ in the K/S relationship. I think it is a special gift we’ve given them, one we felt will make their relationship stronger, and even more loving—something we want for them and for ourselves. The bond allows their love to be special because through it, they can become life-long companions. They will have fidelity, the pizzazz of always being euphoric about one’s lover, etc. I don’t think the bond is essential, for they would be lovers and companions regardless, but the bond transforms their romance, intensifies it, gives it an extroardinariness because they know, without doubt, what they mean to one another, how much they love one another, just how strong their commitment to each other is; there are no lies between Kirk and Spock. The bond itself makes the K/S relationship so unique. That’s why you can’t take any Stallion story about Larry and Joe and call it a K/S story. Those two men can never be one the way Kirk and Spock can. Through their bond, Kirk and Spock can truly join, become one entity; they can actually be a part of the other; they belong to one another in a special way no two Humans can….
- a fan apologizes for her long absence from this letterzine, but explains she has been distracted:
- a fan expresses her feelings about where K/S fanfiction is heading: I thought at first K/S was just losing its appeal for me when I read several of the latest zines, but other friends had the same reaction to those works—the stories just weren't very good, or the whole zine just wasn't very good, sometimes annoyingly so. The recent explosion in K/S publishing has resulted in a decline in quality, but I don't think early K/S writing was better than recent stuff. Early K/S was tentative, experimental. Today's K/S, the best of it, is much deeper, more complex, more 'grown up.' Sometimes I worry that every possible thing has already been done. But then it becomes not what the writer says but how she says it, the novel & personal twist to the first time, the shore leave, the pon farr, the bonding, the death story, etc. Old wine in new jugs.
- a fan explains her connection to K/S:
- this fan takes issue with some of Linda Frankel's column in the previous issue: I do think many women who read & write K/S are quite ignorant of the real gay world & hence may simply not know just how much men think about cock sizes. Certainly they wouldn't hear it from the men in their lives. But, ignorance is a far cry from "unrecognized homophobia". I think too, you must accept the fact that we really aren't writing about gay men. As the discussion here in NTS pointed out, most of us see Kirk & Spock as bisexual or basically heterosexual men who fell in love with one another. Certain gay issues of today do not translate into the concerns of K/S. Besides, I think one reason we see & know about gay sexual issues & non-sexual ones, too, is because they talk about those issues. In reality, however, many of those concerns are the concerns of men in general. For example, one persistant theme I see in gay fiction is the desire for children - that's not just a gay issue. Many men want children. With gays, it's an issue because society would deny them the right to children. Before you tell us that gay issues have not surfaced in K/S, please define what those issues are & whether or not they are "gay" issues exclusively. I think you'll find many of the concerns of gay men with finding & keeping men they love, with keeping the romance in their relationships, with having children, etc. are in fact being dealt with in the K/S relationship... a Unrecognized homophobia is the least among them, although I will not deny that I do think there is some homophobia among K/S fans. I think ultimately you will find that many concerns of gays are the same as the concerns of us all - we're all looking for someone to love, to love us.
- fandom's growing pains, and the proliferation of fannish choice is addressed by a fan:
- a fan comments on Sandy Herrold's letter in a previous issue, one about rape fantasies and the private nature of such scenarios: When you mention fans' concern about the political Washington correctness of our fantasies, you hit the nail on the head. I understand from friends of mine more up on current issues than I that pressure to revise one's fantasies into "correct" scenarios is not unknown in feminist circles (whether that pressure is external, from strongly opinionated compatriots, or internal, from a woman's own self-doubting introspection). But fantasy—where the individual is in control of her own experience--should be a safe zone where we have permission to explore any & all erotic & emotional "possibilities." So far "/" fandom has provided that freedom, that safe zone, & it would be incredibly sad if permission for some of those explorations were now withdrawn.
- a fan comments on another's discussion of homophobia in K/S fiction:
- a long-time zined offers up an opinion about fans' opinions on the perceived lack of quality in recent K/S fiction:
[SHELTER]]. Same with DESERT HEAT. It's fine to write a pon farr story, a crashed-shuttle story, a first-time-on-the-ship story. What's important is that the writer do something unique with the idea itself. And it is possible. I do not subscribe to the idea that K/S is dying because we've all run out of ideas. What I do see is that a lot of writers are getting laxy with their imagination. Another problem comes with the fact that many of the new writers seem to feel that an editor's only responsibility is to print their story as is, no changes, no suggestions, no comments, period, end of argument. It's hard enough putting out a zine without this kind of added burden, & many editors will simply buckle under & do as the writer says. The result is a zine which contains stories with loopholes big enough to pilot a starship through, dialogue that sounds more like Sleepy & Sneezy than Kirk & Spock, & poorly plotted material that needs to see the insides of a typewriter about 3 more times before coming into print.
- more on fanwriters and changing expectations: It seems that many K/S writers just want to see their story in print. And that's one of the biggest problems K/S fandom is facing today. When the integrity of the characters suffers, or when a story's structure is weaker than the fabric of Tholian space, then perhaps an editor's responsibility is to reject that story outright if the writer is not amenable to suggestion & constructive criticism. A lot of the sado-masochistic stories which have been making the rounds recently would never have seen print in the "good old days of K/S-dom."
Issue 11 (1985)
Not Tonight Spock! 11 was published in November 1985 (undated; content is the clue as to the month) and contains 39 pages.
Please note the deadline for the next issue. I realize it is rather short this time but I very much want to get NTS back on a regular schedule and so would like to get #12 out before the end of the year. I will be assuming responsibility for publishing another letterzine in a different fandom the beginning of 1986 and want to get them on a coordinated time schedule to ease the workload as much as possible. I apologize for any inconvenience this causes any readers. Regular columnists - please note - this deadline also applies to you - SORRY! Finally, a brief reminder to anyone interested in submitting zine ads to NTS. The policy is that the zine must be K/S-oriented, have a heavy K&S relationship emphasis or be a slash zine in another fandom. Ads for other newsletters will also be accepted. Unfortunately, space limitations make it impossible for me to accept all zine ads.
- Editorially Speaking (1) (The editor explains that due to a number of RL issues, a number of the regular features/columns are absent in this issue.)
- Observation Deck (issue topic: Do you feel that Kirk & Spock would explore, as part of their relationship, all aspects of sexuality, including S&M?) (2)
- Headache #11 by Sharon F (7)
- Rec Room by Susan Beth Schnitger (11)
- 1984 Kirk/Spock Survey Results, part 1 by Judith Gran and Dorothy Laoang (12) (The original questionnaire was included in the September 1984 issue. Two stats: respondents' age range was from 19 to 73 (average of 34), and all were female)
- Sexuality in K/S Fiction: McCoy: Support of K/S by Linda Frankel (16) (The column discussed McCoy’s support of K/S, with reference to such stories as Leslie Fish’s Shelter, Poses, This Deadly Innocence; Alexis Fegan Black’s Decisions (Naked Times #2); Teri White’s An Anguish to Pay (Naked Times #1), Gerry Downes’ Alternative Book 2/3, and (on the opposite view), Time Out of Mind by Nathan St. Germaine and Keith Donovan)
- The U.K. Connection by Heather Whitefield (18) (reviews and comments on Bitter Sweet Resolve, The Halls of the King, see those pages)
- Reviews from the Library Computer (20) (reviews of T'hy'la #5, Nome #8, The Voice #1, see those pages)
- Personal Log (LoCs) (26)
- Classified Commiques (personal ads) (39)
- cover by Caro Hedge, other art by Ann Crouch and cartoons by Joy March Fox
Highlights and excerpts:
- a fan decries the need, suggested by some, to refrain from publicizing K/S because of assumed negative consequences:
- Sandy Herrold answers the TOTM: I think that K&S would explore all aspects of their sexuality, including S&M? Fascinating question: To even begin to answer it, I have to digress for a moment. How many of you have read SCANDALS OF SHIKAHR? That many? Good! Remember the dating game take off (between chapters 5&6), where Spock has to choose between CONTACT Kirk, DUET Kirk (& some other Kirk, I forget?). Well, some authors' Kirk and Spock [say?] yes certainly, and many authors' Spocks seem to go along with anything that makes Kirk happy. Now do I think my idealized version of K&S would do that? Well - my Kirk has tried almost anything once or twice. He'd never tried actual intercourse with a male before Spock, but he'd been in group scenes where getting or giving say a blow job perhaps was no big deal. Yes, I'm getting off the track here. I think Kirk [has] already tried it and found it wasn't really for him. It would never really occur to Spock to bring it up as an idea. I do think there are times when Kirk just allows himself to be passive before Spock's greater strength, just as I feel Spock (probably too often) lets Kirk have it all his way once in a while. Actual' S&M, probably not, or not for long. (But if they did - I'd want to watch.)
- another fan addresses the discussion topic, citing both personal disapproval and a fear it gives fodder to what she feels is the persecution K/S fandom:
- a fan opposes S&M in K/S, and she also brings up the external and internal pressures of approval: Mainly, I think it's a matter of stepping back into aired TREK, and looking at the characters -- particularly if you're even considering writing an S&M K/S story. If we want to keep K/S believable and enjoyable for the majority, I think it's vital that we try to keep the TREK "ideals" alive in our writing. In TREK, we saw the love and respect the characters had for one another. At no time did I ever see any indication that either party enjoyed -- or even had the potential to "enjoy" hurting the other.
- another fan struggles to understand: Those limits surely fall somewhere between consensual s/m and that which is not. Consensual s/m is entered into by two (or more) knowing adults who understand what will happen, who anticipate its happening. Consensual s/m is role playing that can be stopped if either partner wants that. While I do understand this, I have yet to empathize my way into the mind of the person who needs, wants some of the more violent/humiliating situations I've read about. I confess to not understanding the painful road to pleasure. Non-consensual s/m truly frightens me. It makes me drag out the judgemental labels wrong and sick. I simply don't understand it. I'm afraid my own musings about s/m in general make it difficult to focus s/m in relation to K/S or any of our "/" fandoms.
- a fan speculates on the S&M topic:
- a fan brings up S&M as it is portrayed in The Professionals, a fandom that is making a bigger and bigger footprint in "Not Tonight Spock!":
- another fan brings up The Professionals, a fandom a number of K/S fans are gravitating to -- she responds to another fan's comment on : It is true that much of what you see in B/D is unpolished, etc., but that is the nature of the fandom to date. The crucial difference is you don't pay big $$$ for a zine with nothing in it you like. I suppose the day will come when B/D too will wane, but until then, I intend to enjoy it as much as I enjoyed K/S. 
- from the column by Linda Frankel, "Sexuality in K/S Fiction":
- in response to a fan complaining that new fans were ignorant of the classic zines, and another fan pointing out that those zines were elusive and often unavailable, this fan brings up the idea of a lending library: What we need is a K/S lending library with xeroxes of all of the old zines and each new one as well. A person could then send postage money and get the copy to read. Once finished, it'd be sent back for the next new fan. What we need is a selfless person to perform this mission, to get the copies, etc. Anyone interested?
- a fan addresses the "Sexuality in K/S Fiction" column topic of homophobia in the previous issue:
- what goes around, comes around: I would like to comment about [D D's] complaint about the expense of K/S zines. I wonder if there would be a market for a much cheaper high quality mimeo zine. With a mimeo and an electro-stenciler you can run art--just not in color. Just thought I'd throw out the idea.
- there is an announcement by Flora Poste regarding a long-awaited and controversial zine:
Issue 12 (1986)
Not Tonight Spock! 12 was published in January 1986 and contains 34 pages.
Welcome to a new year of NTS. There is lots of news this time around so lets get right down to business. First, and most important, I want to announce that NTS will be going on a brief hiatus after this issue. The next issue, #13, will be published in May rather than March. A number of factors have contribued to this decision. I am in the process of looking for a new printer, which takes time. The zine has recently lost 2 of its columnists, and I feel the need to do a bit of regrouping on the "Features" front. Also, as some of you may know, I am in the midst of starting another letterzine in another fandom, and I feel the need to make sure their schedules will mesh as smoothly as possible. Please be assured that NTS is most definitely not going out of business.
- Editorially Speaking (1)
- Observation Deck (issue topic: "Do you think the Kirk and Spock we see in the three films are logical extrapolations from the characters as they appear in the series? Are the movie characters mature representations of the series characters?") (2)
- Headache #12 by Sharon F (5)
- The K/S Completist, zines by Krys Nolan (8)
- Right to Relief by Judith Gran (Judith responded to the question: "Several years ago, a copy of a K/S zine was sent to Paramount’s Legal Department, yet the corporation chose not to prosecute. Has Paramount thereby lost the right to enforce its Star Trek copyrights against K/S fan fiction?" -- part of her answer: " “I believe that Paramount, which indisputably has known of the widespread publication of Star Trek and K/S zines for many years, indeed is estopped, by its implicit consent to the publication of our zines, from successfully prosecuting K/S zinesright now…. Estoppel is not a general waiver or abandonment of copyright…. Nor is estoppel a permanent bar, for all time, to prosecution of copyright infringement claims…. Paramount can announce, ‘OK, Star Trek fans, we’ve condoned your infringement in the past, but from now on, it’s no more Mr. Nice Guy. After June 1, 1986, anybody publishing a Star Trek zine is going to land in court.’ If that were to happen, older zines would be protected by Paramount’s past acquiescence, but potential publishers would be on notice that their zines are vulnerable to suit….”) (12)
- Sexuality in K/S Fiction: The K/S/Mc Triad by Linda Frankel (14) (The authored covered the topic of a Kirk-Spock-McCoy triad, with reference to stories by K.S. T’Lan (Two's Company in Duet IX), Ann Carver (What are Friends For? in Daring Attempt #3), a poem by Tere Ann Roderick (“First Thought" in ”Daring Attempt #1), and In Triplicate by Natasha Solten and Dovya Blacque. At the end of the article, Linda says she is a “convert to K/S/Mc,” suggested that some fans writing these stories were less enlightened than she apparently would have liked them to be: “…Fans show the coming together of the triad as a difficult problem in the stories and poems I have read. The major obstacle is the idea that a bonded relationship should or must be monogamous. Exclusivity is a prevalent prejudice in K/S, and the initially excluded partner whether it be McCoy or Kirk reflects the pro-monogamy bias of the readership. The excluded partner is sure that he can never be includedbecause he has no concept for a relationship that is not monogamous.”)
- The U.K. Connection by Heather Whitefield (17) (a review of The Gropes of Roth, see that page)
- Short Fiction Section (19) ("Incompatible?" by Elwyn Conway, "Teach Me That" by Alice Mills, "Not Tonight, Spock" by Mary Woodruff)
- Reviews from the Library Computer (21) (a review of Greater California K/S, Consort #1, Nome #8, see those pages)
- Personal Log (LoCs) (25)
- Classified Communiques (personal ads) (33)
- art by Caro Hedge and Ann Crouch
Highlights and excerpts:
- a fan answers the discussion topic:
- a fan tackles the topic: In my opinion, Kirk is not in any way a logical extrapolation of the Captain we saw on TV. In ST-TMP he might have been more businesslike (more like a senior officer, someone said to me) but my immediate reaction to him was that his manners and his attitude towards his men had deteriorated - badly. In addition, ST-TMP showed clearly that Kirk and made a big, big mistake in accepting promotion; at the end he got the ship back and we're left with the impression that he has resumed his rightful rank. WOK assumes that he managed to make the same mistake again. Kirk is not that stupid. In WOK he is also made out to be...I can only say somewhat irresponsible. Whatever he may or may not have been in the series, he was never irresponsible.
- another fan's opinion:
- a fan does some tabulations: Over the last 11 issues, we've had 3 artists produce 6 centerfolds; 10 people have at various times produced columns/features on a semi or regular basis; 8 people have been interviewed; 15 people have sent in reviews, many at least 3; and 54 have written into the Personal Log - 26 of those 54 have not been involved in any other aspect of NTS. Those who've used the Personal Log more than once have written in an average of 2.8 times. Overall, half of the subscribing readership has actively participated in producing material for the pages of the zine. That means nearly 100 of the 200 of you have contributed to NTS. Of all the other letterzines, none has such a level of involvement on the part of its readership. You might also be interested to know that our subscribing readership is at least double that of any letterzine, except perhaps INTERSTAT. The bottom line is that your continued interest and participation makes NTS the zine it is; we all share in the celebration of NTS' second birthday.
- regarding the discussion topic from the last issue, S&M:
- a fan writes Finally, I would like to say to [name redacted] that I love "The Wise One". It remains one of my favorite K/S stories. I'm not saying that no one should ever write stories in which Kirk and Spock express attitudes that represent internalized homophobia — quite the opposite. Characters who show prejudice and then reach beyond it demonstrate real growth. I appreciate this whenever I see it.
- a fan disagrees that K/S fandom should be purposely revealed to the bigger world:
- a fan comments on pro novels, censorship, blacklisting, and mentions that some anti-K/S fans have sent TPTB K/S zines, something that has caused Paramount to back off on showing any strong friendship in the movies -- all things that will lead to diluting the franchise and chasing away future fans: I hesitate to bring up the subject matter of censorship, however, after a recent event in fandom I think it has become important for K/S fans to realize just what is going on in the hive mind at Paramount and other such places. As most of you have undoubtedly heard by now, the professional Star Trek book, KILLING TIME by Della Van Hise, was temporarily unavailable because of hassles with Paramount and PocketBooks, What you might not know is that this was caused primarily because of "K/S" — and the misunderstanding of it which runs rampant at Paramount. Basically, for anyone who ahs read some of the pro Trek books, it's easy to see that "allusions to K/S" are a lot more prominent in other books than they were in KILLING TIME. So why was KT singled out? Mainly because the author had an involvement in K/S writing and editing which went back several years rather than because of the content of the book itself... I can't help but think that this attitude has been caused by a very vocal minority which happens to have a lot of "big names" associated with it. David Gerrold comes immediately to mind — someone who basically used the public forum of his book to attack K/S and K/S fans, and caused both to come off sounding perversions. Well, guess what, folks? We're not pervies, and the sooner we make Paramount et al aware of that fact the sooner we're going to be able to relax a little. Basically, Paramount is interested in the almighty dollar and I've heard from a lot of non-K/S fans that they are angry because Paramount has "deliberately downplayed the friendship between Kirk and Spock." Translated, that seems to mean that no one has an an objection to Kirk and Spock doing a mind meld or openly discussing their friendship... In a nutshell, it seems to mean that Paramount is trying to satisfy the majority. And in trying to do so, they're satisfying no one completely... While I am not advocating taking K/S into a public forum (i.e. mass media or even panel discussions at conventions), I do feel it's important for K/S fans to make it known that the "moral majority" attitude currently employed by Paramount is leading to dissent on both sides of the K/S issue. In other words, Paramount has obviously let opinions from David Gerrold influence them to such a degree that we are starting to see a "crack down" on any kind of affection between Kirk and Spock in the professional field. On the surface, this might not seem too terrible, but keep in mind that the pro format is going to reach far rnore people that fanzines. And if the movies/books become so homogenized that K&S become arms-length-acquaintances, I can't help but think that Star Trek itself is going to lose a lot of potential fans and Paramount is going to lose a hell of a lot of $$$. We don't have to get radical, but we do have to make Paramount aware of the potential damage they face by adhering to the stringent, out-dated thought patterns of censorship, bigotry and prejudice. I'd like to think that new Star Trek fans will come along every day; but if the trend continues as it's starting, I think we're going to find ourselves very much alone within the next ten years- So, let's do something before it's too late.
- increased visibility of K/S and an acafan's book makes this fan alarmed:
- a fan comments on Another Addict Raves About K/S: More on Joanna Russ—read the analysis of K/S' appeal in NOME #8 and it sure had some valid points...especially about the 'relationship between equals'. I do, however, think it overlooks some ASPECTS OF THE APPEAL OF K/S...or at least how it appeals to me personally. Don't know about y'all but I find K/S as well as B/D, S/H, H/J, gay male fiction and even some gay 'porn' — both written and visual (completely unlike hetero porn) — can be an incredible sexual turn on for me. If hetero women are 'sexually frustrated' as Joanna points out, I think one of the biggest appeals of gay sex (both male and female) is 'the grass is greener' aspect...not only from the relationship of equals standpoint, but also the suspicion/envy of how much more gratifying sex would be with a same sex partner... without all the incredibly difficult communication and compromise problems of differing sexual needs and expectations we experience. How often do we find words like 'he knew exactly how and where to touch' in '/' fiction? I for one find that aspect incredibly appealing.
- this fan is curious:
Issue 13 (1986)
Not Tonight Spock! 13 Edited by Sarah Leibold, published 1986 (probably July). Printed offset, folded and center stapled, 36 pages. Art by Caro Hedge and Ann Crouch. Contains discussions about K/S, fanzine reviews, sexuality in K/S fiction, puzzles and cartoons.Fantasies by Beverly Sutherland (Nome 8), Alternative 2/3 by Gerry Downes, Those Who Favour Fire by Vivienne Rivers (The Voice 2), Echoes by Alexis Fegan Black (Naked Times 1), Romulan Code, Romulan Regrets by Jessica Daigneault (Daring Attempt 3), Poses by Leslie Fish and Agostino (Obsc'zine 1), The Human Kind of Love by Indra (Greater California K/S), This Deadly Innocence by Fish, (Naked Times 3), Broken Images by Beverly Sutherland, Time Out of Mind by Nathan St. Germaine and Keith Donovan, and Enslaver Enslaved by A.T. Bush. (Daring Attempt 3). The article also discussed whether anal intercourse/degree of pain, and its portrayal as the grand finale sex act. Our “... culture subscribes to the belief that fucking is the only sex that counts…. [T]he idea that penetration is the central sexual act is common in K/S. Everything else is seen as foreplay….”)
- From the Library Computer (review of As I Do Thee #3)
- The U.K. Connection (reviews of Duet #13 and The Voice #4)
- the second part of the K/S fan survey by Judith Gran and Dorothy Laoang were published
- a fan writes at length of what she considered the “survival of K/S”— referring to the rumors that a love interest for Kirk or Spock would be introduced in the next film. ("…[W]hatever they do in the movies will not affect me that greatly…. When I no longer find them acceptable, I’ll stop going to them and I’ll certainly stop thinking of them as part of my K/S universe…. “)
- Headache #13 by Sharon F (Sharon discussed, by way of Starsky and Hutch, Miami Vice, and The Professionals, where “the characterizations of Kirk and Spock come from.” “Think about the way the characters look at one another, look to one another for silent support. Think about the times they’ve touched, how they share personal space, how often they invade one another’s personal space. Think about how they act toward one another, play to each other. Those subtle elements are what gives life to our ‘/’ universes.")
- a fan wrote a very angry letter addressing what she saw as a trend, as well as Linda Frankel's column about McCoy in the last issue. This fan was upset over:
Issue 14 (1986)
Not Tonight Spock! 14 was printed in the fall of 1986 and contains 36 pages.
As all of you long time (and not so long time) readers are aware, NTS' publishing schedule has been quite erratic for the past year. This has occurred, in large part, because of increasing demands on my free time and my own growing interest in other fandoms and fannish pursuits. Although some things were of a short term nature and are now finished, I still find myself with far less leisure to devote to the zine. Consequently, I don't feel I can give NTS the time and attention it deserves. In view of this, I have reluctantly decided to discontinue publication of NTS. The final issue will be number 16 to be published January/February of 1987. This will allow an issue to be devoted to the fourth film. Now seems a good time to end the zine for a number of other reasons as well. Among them, the fact that reader interest in contributing to the zine has experienced a definite decline in the past few issues and there will still be a K/S letterzine available, that being Pon Farr Press' ON THE DOUBLE. There is a note with this issue indicating when your subscription expires. If you wish to renew, do so only through issue 1&- which I promise to make as special as I possibly can. Right now, I'm looking forward to seeing how you all vote in the K/Stars. The results will be printed in #16.  One last note, publishing NTS has been one of the best experiences of my life, I'll miss the zine and most of all my contact with all of you who have been so supportive and kind throughtout NTS' existence.
- this issue has a logic puzzle called "The Aurora Rings"
- Sexuality in K/S Fiction: Anal Intercourse Prolonged er uh Continued by Linda Frankel
- there is a personal statement from Kathy Resch in which she says she is taking over all transactions regarding the payment, publication, and mailing from Syn Ferguson for Before the Glory
- there is an interview with a fan named Sandy S
- a review of Bigot! Brother! Bondmate!, see that page
- a review of Krisis, see that page
- there is an open letter from the Gang of Six, see Open Letter by the Gang of Six Regarding Courts of Honor
Highlights and excerpts:
- a fan describes how she found K/S via the Best of Trek series, which led her to trying to find some pro books, which led to her writing Interstat, which led to getting some fellow Canadian pen pals:
- a fan writes of her interest in K/S: There was no individual who got me hooked on K/S—unless David Gerrold counts, as it was in his revised THE WORLD OF STAR TREK that I first heard of it. I was attracted to the idea immediately, though I wouldn't dare admit it to myself. I tried to tell myself the whole idea was repulsive, but when I got my hands on my first K/S zine nearly a year later, I had to confront the truth about how I really felt. The question "Why am I attracted to K/S?" is much more difficult to answer. I've always been drawn to strong male friendships... a male expressing feelings still makes me go, "Wow!" And when gentle, tender emotions from one man are expressed toward another man, it multiplies the "Wow" feeling geometric ally. In short, I find it very, very heartwarming. I'm sure there are a myriad of other reasons why I and others are attracted to K/S, but I've yet to see a theory that explains the obsession adequately. I do know that when Kirk and Spock curl up together at the end of a story, it makes me feel that all is right with the world. K/S is the only "/" fandom that I am interested in. I did read a S/H zine once out of curiosity—I had loved S&H as a teenager—but I didn't care for it much. For those of us who are only interested in K/S, I feel the answer must lie in the fact that ST is science fiction, thereby allowing such fascinating aspects as mindmelds and bonding to be included in the stories. Other"/"fandoms are confined to the reality of the 20th century. 
- a fan writes:
- a fan found K/S through her roommate's zines: I was finished with classes one day and wanted to re-read a story in one of her zines. I knew where she kept the zines so I went through looking for that particular zine when, lo and behold, I found one she hadn't showed me before - NAKED TIMES. The cover kind of caught my eye, so I started reading it. This was getting very interesting. And I I got up and looked back in the box and there were two more zines. This really thrilled me. I sat down and read for over two hours. I was sitting there in the middle of NAKED TIMES 2 with NT1 and NT3 laying beside me when my roommate, Beth, walked in. I looked up, gave her a dirty look, said, "You've been holding out on me," and went back to reading.
- a fan writes:
- a fan writes of a long, long personal fannish journey and includes this: How has TREK and K/S affected my life? Both are so interwoven with my life, it's hard to separate the strands. K/S gave me a new goal - to be a writer. It gave that goal a direction, to write stories with an emphasis on gay love. TREK gave me IDIC to live by, it gave me K&S, two characters who will be forever dear to me, who will be with me no matter where I go. But most of all, TREK and K/S have given me my closest friends, people whose love and support mean more to me than I can tell them. If not for TREK, I would not have found the aforementioned people and my life would be poorer. I love you all.
- a fan writes about threesomes and monogamy:
- more from another fan about threesomes: I want to add my voice to yours as one who is concerned about the degree of K/S/Mc material popping up in "K/S" zines. While I have enjoyed some of these three-way stories as a diversion from the norm, they are not what I want to run into when I pay my fifteen bucks (and often more) for a K/S zine. Of course, everyone has the right to read and write whatever they want, but I for one am asking that K/S/Mc be kept out of the zines that advertise themselves as being "K/S". Those who want to read and write about the trio can create their own zines. (A couple have already done so.) It is a mistake to assume that anyone interested in K/S is going to automatically embrace K/S/Mc. It can make for some interesting sex scenes, but I have a heard time seeing the point when the K/S/Mc stories themselves admit that McCoy, no matter how much sex he has with his two friends, will never be a part of the special relationship Kirk and Spock share.
- a fan writes of K/S as an alternate universe:
- this fan is not afraid of the movies: I think we are worrying for nothing over whether the upcoming film will make any difference to K/S. Does "City" or "This Side of Paradise"? The episodes that postulate "more than common" loves for Kirk and Spock we treat now as our inclinations take us: we dislike them, we ignore them, we absorb them into the K/S cannon - and K/S goes on. A love interest for either Kirk or Spock we can treat as simply 'necessary' as in the past or we can ignore it. I agree it's a pity if Paramount have a 'gays under the bed' phobia but tearful protest won't help our image either!
- a fan writes of her discovery of K/S:
Issue 15 (1987)
Not Tonight Spock! 15 was published in Winter 1987 and contains 36 pages.
- the TOTM for this issue is: "What impact has TREK, K/S in particular, had on your life?" which a number of fans address
- lists the K/Star Award winners
- this issue has an interview with Linda N
- a fan writes a personal statement which states she is not a crook: "I feel I must respond to the statement made by [name redacted] in DATAZINE #43, since she states she has been talking about me, and threatens to give my name out on request as being unethical or something."
- the editor sets up the discussion topic for the last issue (which may not have ever been published): "I stated in the editorial for #14 that this last issue would be devoted to ST: THE VOYAGE HOME. Sooo, what did everyone think of the film? Do you see it as "true Trek"? Do you feel there is any K/S in the film? Comments, please!"
- Sexuality in K/S Fiction: First Time vs. Established Relationship by Linda Frankel
- the editor of Alien Brothers writes a personal statement, see that zine's page
- a review of Chi-Sen-Yai, see that page
- a review of In the Wilderness #1, see that page
- a review of Shades of Grey #1, see that page
Highlights and excerpts:
- a fan comments on the TOTM: What "impact" (apart from being involved in a zine of the same name!) has Trek and K/S had on my life? First, let me tell you, in answer to last issue's question, that I got hooked on the whole K/S concept when a new friend in California (where I was visiting at the time as part of a 1983 WSF weekend) showed me a story entitled "Changes" by Vivien Young. W-O-W! I had been a Trek fan for quite a few years, but THIS was all new to me! Unlike some other people in fandom, I was not turned off by the fantasy that these two men were romantically involved. It never occurred to me that this was a 'homosexual' relationship. I was able to see beyond that... way beyond. In fact, I have some dear friends in fandom who stubbornly point out to me that this concept is merely homosexual pornography and nothing more! It's like they can't see the forest for the trees. (Their loss.) Truthfully, I feel sorry for them. They are missing out on a wonderfully romantic, ideal, erotically stimulating (...sigh), loving relationship...not to mention some great reading! That unique alien/human life Kirk and Spock share, plus the added bonus of being able to bond and mind meld, is about the bestthing to happen to sex and love in a longtime! (...and I'm happily married for 17 years!!)
- another fan addresses the TOTM:
- about the TOTM: What a question! Yes, I guess you could say Trek and K/S have had an impact on my life. It's introduced me to a lot of friends I wouldn't have otherwise, some of them good, close friends who are very important to me. Trek and K/S have also, I'm sure my husband would agree, kept me off the streets. Maybe I'd better explain that! I don't have a job outside the house because my husband runs a company in New Jersey and shows up in San Diego every two or three weeks for a weekend, which pretty much makes me what amounts to a single parent. My stay-at-home status worked out pretty well when our kids (two boys) were younger, but they're now nineteen and seventeen... My involvement with Trek and K/S have given me an outside interest, and over the last year or so they've helped me look at the changes that're taking place in my life a little more dispassionately. I'm not saying the changes are bad! Life is full of changes, and they're a normal part of growing up and growing older.... Trek and K/S have given me a few heartaches, too, I'll have to admit, and a myriad number of headaches (which sort of goes along with being a zine editor), but the credits far outweigh the debits. Not that I've been keeping track!
- a fan writes of her introduction to K/S:
- a fan writes:When I came in to K/S fandom in 1976, most of the "classics" had just been written. Several excellent pieces followed in the next few years as more writers became intrigued by the K/S premise. But I feel that a plateau reached around 1982-83 and a decline has begun. Not that there isn't some good K/S still being written because there is. But I feel that much of what is being published today is of lesser quality than before. The fact that so many fans have gravitated to other fandoms is proof of this... As anything becomes larger it tends to lose the intimacy of the small group. Today, there are so many writers and artists that most people never get the opportunity to interact with them. Thus feedback becomes less and less for these people, especially since LOC's seem to be a thing of the past. But one positive change I see is more of a tolerance for K/S among the straight fans. They still may not like the idea but at least the fighting of the earlier days seems to have abated.... One of the things I dislike about some of today's stories is this desire to deal with rape and violence. Granted the old hurt/comfort stories often used violent means to achieve their goal but that was the only way they could bring Kirk and Spock together. In K/S that is no longer a problem because we can let them love freely. So I don't see the necessity of using violence in the stories. One trend I like in newer material, particularly in Alexis Fagen Black's work, is the emphasis on psychology and character motivation. This gives many stories an added depth lacking in some earlier works.
- a fan artist has an apology:
- a fan comments on the interview in the last issue: I must take issue, however, with Sandra's perception of the early zines as having been of higher quality because there were fe..er of them. Fans tend to call early K/S "classic" because it was first. The themes that are: now tired formulas were new then, but L don't see that the general quality of tiie writing was really superior to what we see today. The zines then had the same number of poor and mediocre stories we're seeing now. Good and excellent stories have always been comparatively rare. Yet now we have a few writers from that period who have stuck with K/S, and have vastly improved in their current output due to greater skill and experience. It only stands to reason that this would happen since writing always improves with practice. The new writers who are establishing themselves in K/S zines now have the potential of becoming as good as the old reliables we all know and love if they work hard at it. I also maintain that K/S has matured in its themes over the years, and I welcome this. I think we have room for optimism about K/S's future.
- a fan comments on reactions to Kirk/Spock/McCoy fanworks:
- a fan addresses another's previous letter: In response to [full name redacted's] charges of 'sexism' and 'ageism' with reference to my last letter to NTS, I must protest. On the matter of 'sexism', I confess I was writing only from my own personal knowledge when I referred to K/Sers as 'sisters'. Personally, I haven't heard of any K/S 'brothers' out there, but if they exist, I'm delighted. And the minute I see a letter from one of them protesting my 'sexism', I will hasten to apologize. As for the charge of 'ageism', believe me, Eva, I'd be thrilled to admit to being as young and inexperienced as you suggest. Alas, such is not the case. I assure you that I've been around long enough to qualify as an experienced voice when I say that by the time you've been having sex with the same someone for twenty or so years, it's not going to have quite the excitement it did when you were younger. Would that it did! If anything, I plead to a touch of too much reality in my outlook, Perhaps, Eva, you're guilty of a touch of too much idealism? Or perhaps just selective memory? If you've found the same keen edge of physical excitement after 20 years with the same person, I heartily congratulate you. Such has not been my experience.
- Linda F's regular column, "Sexuality in K/S Fiction," has this topic "First Time vs Established Relationship." Some excerpts:
Unlike many critics, I prefer to declare my biases in advance. I started out being strongly prejudiced in favor of established relationship stories. I believed that the established relationship story would tend to be more original and interesting. I was sure that any rational person would agree with me, and thought that the reason why so many fans wrote first times in the early zines was because every fan had their version of the first time which each of them needed to get out of their systems. Surely after they did that, they would proceed on to other stages and facets of the K/S relationship. Yet, it seemed to me that writers in K/S hadn't done this and for reasons that I couldn't discern were fixated on first times. Enter the crusader to tell all the
backward barbariansfan writers to repent nower...uh stop writing 99% first times and try writing established relationships now and then. In this context, it is wise to remember the teaching of Socrates that everything you think you know is wrong. The ramifications of the first time and established relationship issue are not so simple. I have written this article and the one following in the next issue in an attempt to analyze the much more complex truth of the matter.... When I corrected my totals by eliminating stories from atypical zines, I came up with a distribution of approximately 60% first time stories and 40% established relationship stories. I realized then that my mind had exaggerated the number of first time stories. While they do constitute the majority of K/S, they don't dominate the field as overwhelmingly as I thought... What about the idea that first time stories will tend to less originality than established stories? Let's face it, formula stories will always tend to dominate in every genre. They are easier to write and many readers seem to enjoy them. Yet my analysis doesn't bear out the theory that established relationships stories are inherently more original. In fact, my sample showed that there were fewer original stories among those that were established relationship, than there were among the first times. An impartial analysis of established relationship stories shows that there are formulas there as well, and these formulas are very much in evidence in the writing of established relationship stories. While it is true that the established relation ship concept has a great deal of potential for originality, this potential is largely untapped. Instead the writers generally have recourse to the following formulas: [she lists seven standard formula tropes and how a writer could make it less expected]... What about original first times? Adherents of the established relationship story might consider that a contradiction in terms. This is far from true. I con sidered approximately 30% of the first time stories I examined original and non- formula. Yet one thing I discovered about many (though not all) original first time stories, is that the ideas that made them original didn't require a first time framework. They could just as easily have been written as established relationship stories. The question I had at that point was: Why weren't they? Why were so many writers conceiving of their unusual K/S themes in terms of the first time story, rather than the established relationship story that I believe has more potential?
- The Dawn's Early Light's column this issue discusses Trek zine titles:: Where did it all go wrong? When did K/S zine titles stop reflecting TREK roots? Why I can remember back in the early days of Amateur Trek, when fandom was little more than a remote wilderness waiting to be challenged. Early settlers—writers, artists, poets, and zine editors—began bringing their ideas, their impressions, and their fantasies to this incredible new world and staking claims. It was an adventurous era. After a few years (circa the late 1970's), certain bold pioneers began exploring an unchartered area located on the outskirts of so-called viable trek, just southwest of the Hurt/Comfort Zone. It was known as K/S territory, a raw, rough, almost uninhabited region full of lush opportunities and enticing promises. These brave, creative souls, armed with little more than dedication to the unique premise and a love for lust, defied public outcry against settling the newfound concept. Many felt that K/S would never last. However, one of the earlier excursions—the Storey and Clark Expedition—began in January, 1980 and is still continuing today. Orthodox Genzinites (the Jerry Falwells of Fandom) vigorously argued that a question of morality was at stake. Other conservatives thought that K/S was simply far too radical to ever be come a certified fandom. (Of course, some of them still feel this way and refuse to acknowledge it even now.) But I digress.... I am talking about the demise of the once honored, now sadly neglected as the territory has been colonized, custom of titling K/S zines so that their relationship to TREK is clearly visible, so that they have roots in the show. Titles today have no ethnic background.
- see the glossary term, T'hy'la
- from Datazine #30
- which story?
- which story?
- a comment at Virgule-L, quoted anonymously (September 29, 1994)
- the letter's recipient points out that "Once again, Gerrold has chosen one part of a whole to focus the spotlight on. I am by no means an advocate of the more S&M-type K/S stories. Neither am I a person who judges what is within the definition of IDIC and what isn't, using my person likes & dislikes to make those judgements. By it's very nature, IDIC must include anything two consenting adults choose to partake in as part of their lives. IDIC does not mean "Infinite Diversity from Infinite Combinations providing those combinations aren't unacceptable to the masses".
- from the artist in Not Tonight Spock! #10
- from a fan in Not Tonight Spock! #10
- Perhaps a typo and probably means H/J.
- These comments are quoted and commented upon five years later in a letter in Short Circuit #3.
- Some fans felt that the original Star Trek fiction was vastly superior to current Trek offerings due to superior editing, fans' patience and perfectionism. Professionals fans felt the same about much of their older fiction, later bemoaning, as fans tend to do, the decline in quality as there became more fiction available. It is interesting to see how different fans' perspectives play out, both in where they were on the arc, as well as possible differences in two fandoms' cultures as per an early zine culture (Star Trek) and the circuit tradition (Pros).
- In the zine, "#17" is typed, crossed out with a pen, and "#16" written in by hand.
- She goes on to write many stories in Starsky & Hutch, The Sentinel, and a few in Twin Peaks.