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Nostalgia and invoking The Good Old Days has been a favorite past-time of fans since day one. So too, is speculation about what constitutes their fandom's Golden Age.

Also see: Fanosaur, Bitter Old Fanfic Queen, and Newbie.

The Golden Age of Specific Fandoms

Every fandom seems to have what is considered a Golden Age. Often, this coincides with the time a tv program is on the air, the time between movies or books in a franchise, or the time shortly after the release of a standalone movie.

a 1980 flyer for the zine Menagerie. The ad copy says this fanwork is "one of the Golden Oldies of Star Trek fandom."

The Past is Relative

In 1970, just a year after the original Trek was off the air, a fan thanks:

...two anonymous friends who loaned me their collections to study. And their old memories of those forgotten days of yesteryear when all the universe of the Federation and Vulcan was new. Those days when fields were green and Star Trek was on the brink of reality. [1]

The More the Better

One fan writes:

I think the decrease of a golden age in any fandom is shown by a decrease in the amount of fiction being written as well as a decrease in the standard of stories. [2]

Less is More

In 1996, a fan in Germany writes that to her, the good old days meant there were fewer fandoms to distract:

Fandom has changed. In the good old days, Star Trek was synonymous with Classic Trek. Kirk and Spock were the stars and K/S was a topic. People either loved it or hated it. And they discussed it. Today, being a Star Trek fan in Europe means to love TNG, DSP, and of course, Voyager. Many are also fans of Babylon 5 and The X-Files. Only a few still care about Classic Trek. [3]

A fan writes that the good old days had less fannish material and that equaled more appreciation:

I too feel lost in this new SW galaxy ... I am partially envious of those with time and will power to read the pro-novels. Sometimes I feel I'm being left out of the loop, wondering if I'll end up a grumpy old dinosaur lamenting for the good old days of fandom when we had only the novelizations and 'Splinter' [4]

A fan comments that fans today have too much information:

I had just been thinking with nostalgia about the good old days when we found satisfaction with less. It's this way in all of life these days -- a glut of everything makes us want more and more faster and to be satisfied... [5]

One Upping


(From "Print Your Fanzine" performed at IDICon 3 in 1988)


TERRY: How can these spoiled brats call themselves fans? They don't know what fandom was in the good old days.


ELAINE: Lezlie, is that the new fan we've been hearing about? Come over and introduce us.

CANDY: (as if Elaine hadn't spoken) I can't believe it. They run around crying if one of their 7 VCRs is broken. When I bought my VCR hack in '74 they cost $2,000 and each tape cost $24.

TERRY: Ha, I'd have been happy with one VCR. I couldn't afford a VCR. I taped Trek on my tape recorder.

ELAINE: You were lucky to have a tape recorder. I learned shorthand so I could transcribe the episodes.

TERRY: Did I say tape recorder? I meant that I prayed for a tape recorder. I had to buy 79 parrots and teach each one of them to recite an episode.

CANDY: Yeah, those were the days. We were devoted.

ELAINE: The days before (sneers) personal computers.

CANDY: What a luxury. And to think they call themselves writers.

TERRY: I wrestled with my IBM Selectric. No easy rewrites for me. Changing one word meant retyping the whole page.

ELAINE: I would have sold my soul for an IBM. I remember typing 26 issues of R&R on a manual typewriter that was missing a "v". Do you have any idea how many times the world "vulcan" shows up in one issue of R&R? Four thousand, three hundred and forty-seven! Every "v" hand lettered. And they call themselves real fans today! Don't talk to me about devotion!

CANDY: You want devotion? I'll give you devotion! Potato printing is what I used for my first zine. I had to hand carve 232 pounds of spuds and then stamp all 100 issues. It took years. [6]

Cliques, a Feeling of Control, and the Underground

A comment in 1989:

A really good convention committee can help make the con a great one. There was a time when we fans had some control over this: 90% of us knew, at least by reputation, 90% of the others -- and we had a pretty good idea of the interests, attitudes, capabilities, and dependability of most of the people... Fandom was a whole lot smaller than. Now, I'm surprised if I even recognized one of the names on a bidding committee... [7]

A comment in 1999:

I'm finding it difficult to make up my mind if slash on the Net is a good or bad thing, but I suppose if pushed I'd be inclined to say it has been Our Little Secret for so long now, perhaps it is time we stopped being so paranoid about it and welcomed others to the enjoyment of it. [8]

A comment from the mid-1990s:

Fan fiction isn't so special any more. It's everywhere, it's acknowledged by television producers, we're no longer the underground. [9]

People Like Me Were Smarter Back Then

A fan grouses in 1989:

Ever since I returned to fan activity a year ago, I have been carping about the way media fandom has brought about the deterioration of Fandom As I Know It... I am... unhappy about the number of 'media' fans who come passively to conventions to be entertained, and who are rarely capable of stringing ten words together in a sentence -- much less of combining two ideas and getting a third/better one, and who seem incapable of doing anything beyond the level of superficial sociality. I still think there are too many of them underfoot... [10]

Innocence and a Disillusionment with the Present

A fan comments on a Star Trek story called "First Contact":

This is a very short dialogue piece which I found to be especially endearing. I wished it could have been longer. It's simplicity and innocence somehow brought back the mood of the old K/S fiction. [11]

In 1987, a fan proposes a zine, "Return the Day", that was to be full of Star Trek; TOS death stories:

A new K/S with an old idea. Remember the classic days of K/S? Remember all that hurt and comfort and death? Well, here's your chance to return to the good old days. [12]

In 1999, a fan complains about the Sentinel fandom, one that had only been around a few years:

Kass is a new TS writer and I'm really glad she's here. Many TS stories being written and posted these days have a slick or superficial feel to them -- all slash, no emotion. Kass breaks the trend with sweet, warm, human first-time stories. These make me feel like I did when I first found Sentinel fandom, lo these many moons ago -- kind of warm and fuzzy and glad to be here. [13]

In 1984, a fan writes expresses dismay over emerging trends in K/S fiction:

First is the recent trend toward graphic violence; a new wave obsession with savage sadism and the rapture of gore…. Give me the good old Contact days of back-to-basic hurt/comfort…. In h/c, pain always had a purpose; it sanctioned the need for touch. And we all know where that eventually led to… [14]

Missing a Fannish Medium

In 1982, a fan complains about the quality of paper zines:

Not long ago, it was suggested in these pages that maybe they don’t make zines the way they used to. [15]

Shootin' in the Crick was a gen Houston Knights anthology of fiction by Catherine Schlein previously published in other zines.

This zine was published back in the days of the dot matrix printer....the good old days! [16]

From an ad for You & The Zine You Wrote In On:

This is a fiction zine devoted entirely to Hardcastle & McCormick! You won't have to pay for fancy graphics or silk-screened covers, because Rolling Thunder Press is going back to the good old days when you only paid for plain and simply good fiction!

The Good Old Days Weren't All that Good

In 1989, Pat Nussman and Jacqueline Taero wrote an article called Shaking the Bones which started with:

Remember the good old days? True, they may not have been so good in all ways. There were times when arguments became too impassioned, when controversy incited bloodletting, when fans may have cared a little too much and lost the ability to see things in perspective. But would anyone really deny that there was a time when SW fandom was more vibrantly alive than it is today? [17]

A 1991 comment:

[My] friends and I got to talking, wondering if-once-upon-a-time fandom had really been so very troublesome, or so very much better. Force knows, I've been one to bitterly complain that no one wants to get involved anymore... Still, the more we talked, the more I became convinced that this nostalgia for the "good old days" can be as destructive to fandom as any other more obvious events, such as public personal fights or rampant dogmatism. Both the good and the bad seem to get exaggerated in memory. Even after having many of my old, hot emotions rekindled by reading all the old ALDERAANs and JUNDLAND WASTES very recently, I'm inclined to murmur, no, it really wasn't all that bad. [18]

Zine ed Beth Blighton announced she was ceasing publication and was leaving fandom. The July 1994 issue of The Helpers Network Gazette reported:

In the most recent issue of Lionheart, she ascribes her decision to the backbiting, divisions, and general decline both in numbers and highmindneess in this fandom...However, it's unfortunate that Beth felt she had to publicly do the equivalent of stomping off in a huff, blaming her departure on the fact that the good old days, when everybody was loving and numerous, are now gone. I'm afraid I have news for Beth and for anybody else who's convinced things are going downhill at a breakneck pace. The good old days are a myth. [19]

A 2001 comment:

Looking back on my 5 or 6 years in fandom I'd have to agree that the best I read was early on. If I say that though I need to take into account that I was in the obsessive part of my career in Pros fandom, where almost everything was new and wonderful and even bad first time stories appealed to me. With the passage of time I discovered that lo and behold there were good and bad stories, even some of the ones I really liked at the beginning were only middling. [20]

In 2002, a fan jokes about being set up with mIRC the good old days when I had 90 minutes of online time allowed per day. [21]

A fan comments in 2007:

So, yes, I *would* say that "things were better in the good old days," and I believe my glasses are still my normal prescription and not particularly rose-colored.... [22]

From a fan in 2018:

One thing I’ve been seeing a lot on Tumblr from older fans is the notion that fandom is wankier/more toxic on Tumblr than it ever was during the supposed good old days on LJ/DW and man–that is just not true. The current wanks are different in that they’re co-opting social justice language and have a weird focus on “purity” or whatever, but ship wars have been happening since literally FOREVER (check the old school Harry Potter fandom, or the Ray Wars in Due South, or literally every major fandom that has ever existed).


I’m just really suspicious and wary of the nostalgia for the good old days of fandom, because I think that it’s not only inaccurate, it completely dismisses the progress that has been made in fandom since. You know what we didn’t have back then? A widely accepted content warnings system for triggering content. Open discussion of racism/sexism/homophobia in fandom and fic, and how we can and should be doing better. The good old days a) weren’t that good to begin with and b) you can’t try and bring back the stuff you liked without also acknowledging the parts of fandom that were awful. [23]

The Cyclicness of the Fandom

In 1981, a fan writes:

For a about the past year many fans have been clamoring for the Letterzine to return to the ‘fun’ and ‘good spirits’ of the early issues… Well, the first dozen issues weren’t really all that halcyon… But is it true that the 1-12 were relatively friendlier in tone than 13-23. In my experience, this is a natural, if regrettable, development of fandoms. If one looks back at Trek, most of the letter-and-service zines tended to last no more than 2 to 3 years. The Halkan Council, Scuttlebutt and Universal Translator [are examples]. Interstat seems to be the exception… Both in Halkan and Interstat the same phenomenon occurs: arguments get stronger and bitterer until either the zine folds or the most contentious fans leave. There’s a turnover in active fans that seems to occur over two to three years. This is so regular that at least twenty years ago, sf fandom declared a ‘new generation’ of fandom every two years; concurrently we are in 22nd Fandom. Some fandoms are more spectacular than others – 16th and 17th Fandom saw the establishment of Trekdom, 20th the splintering of Trek into ‘media’ fandoms. Shared interests and experiences make a fandom – cons, zines, letters indulged together. New people are always coming in, and generally they catch on, blend in within a short time. However, after two or three years, there are simply some many in-jokes, so much underground gossip, so many secrets, and so many unsharable experiences, that the newcomers can’t make sense of the older fans – so they surge off together in a new direction , to share their own cons, zines, letters, jokes, secrets, and experiences. And the next fandom comes into being. …We can’t go back to the early days of S&H, to the Eden we think it was… [24]

A 2001 comment:

Maybe it is simply the case that for every golden age that passes a new one arrives. [25]

Some Conclusions

A 1991 comment:

In many ways, those of us around in the first ten years of Trekdom and at the beginning of SW fandom were pioneers. If we demand those who follow to do the same as we did, we'll be no different than old city-founding pioneers sitting around, complaining that the kids don't haul water and use outhouses or sew their own clothes like in the Good Old Days when Things Were Better. Different, yes; better, who can say? Each of our experiences of time is unique to itself.... [26]

A 1994 comment:

I started with B7 fandom about 7 years ago. A friend tried to get me interested in Pro's fanfic about 5 years ago. I just wasn't interested UNTIL about 3 years ago when *I* became bored with B7 fanfic. Now, I'm getting bored with Pro's and another friend has loaned me UNCLE fanfic. You guessed it, out of all the stuff I picked up at MediaWest, my friend's UNCLE stuff was the best. I believe I *feel passionately* for Blake & Avon and Bodie & Doyle, but something happens to *me* and my tastes after about 2 or 3 years into reading fanfic. I think that's why I enjoy reading different pairings within a fandom.


So, I've never believed that fanfic is sliding downhill or anything. I believe there are excellent technical writers out there and writers who feel passionately about the characteres. I really don't think I become picky, just bored. [27]

A 2000 comment:

Etiquette is dead [in the fanfic community]. Period. It died when "authors" decided that there was no reason to spell check their stories before posting them and then whining that someone dared to criticize their spelling errors; it died when "readers" decided that if you didn't outline everything in your summary that was going to happen, then they had the right to whimper that you'd ruined their life by not including "Warning - EVERYONE dies" or some such thing. It died when the "new" authors decided that anyone who had written before they arrived were "old" authors and therefore hogging all the cyber glory for themselves and began whining that no one read their stories. It died when the "old" authors set themselves up as personal critics and began to dictate how people should be writing and who they should be corresponding with and who they shouldn't.

Common courtesy, as in the real world, is scarce now in the fanfic world. People see no problem with slagging authors and their stories when they feel that they haven't been "served" properly or that their demands haven't been met. Authors get upset when readers give feedback or don't give feedback and threaten to stop writing. Readers scream when you don't produce fifty stories a day.

If you can't get off your duff and activate your spellcheck or send feedback to an author to say "thank you!" for a good story or ask permission, then it's a much sorrier world. And it's become that way, unfortunately....

Well, the "Old Guard" can still be a rather nasty bunch of people, so don't think I'm going to portray us/them as being Gods of ATXC and whatnot — we brawled and fought and many feelings were hurt big time. But I think we differ from the "New Guard" in that we don't feel the need to drag everyone down if they've been around longer than six months. Every few months I see posts denouncing the fact that certain authors have a fan base and "new" authors don't/can't get read, and somehow that's the fault of the older authors (sometimes just a few months old!) that the new kids on the block (of any age) aren't automatically acclaimed as the Second Coming of Fan Fiction. Those of us who were around a few years ago never thought about competing really, we just wanted to write. The idea of an Archive was a new thing to us, much less fan mailing lists and awards. I think the competitive edge has put a damper on a lot of the authors out there who now see getting a nomination for this award and that award as being the have all and be all of their fanfic existence, and will do anything to get and win that award - no matter the quality of their fanfic... [28]

A 2001 comment:

I think that the whole concept of a past golden age and a present decay is bogus, a conceptual errot deriving from the failure to account for the observer's personal perspective. Let me explain by asking first: what is a golden age? I think it is nothing but our fictional, reconstructed memory of a happy past that never was. It's not an objective measure, it's a nostalgic wish-turned-memory of a time we can safely embellish in recollection, since it's gone forever. It is a powerful concept, and it has a very strong appeal, that makes it easy to believe it... But a myth it is. The golden age fallacy is just a fond wish for a better age, and it is based on the idea that history goes in one direction only: always and only towards the good, or always and only towards the bad. Such an absolute sense of purpose and direction is not realistic: history dances a much more complicated dance, often retracing its step, confusing people, mixing good and bad moments in a jerky, meaningless moment... In fannish terms, I think the truth is that we have, and we always had, a mixed bag of good, mediocre and bad... but there is no finality, no steadily marching towards better or worse times. It's just random, like throwing dice. It is only our wishful thinking that makes random chance into a linear and meaningful progression. [29]

A 2002 comment:

Having just come from Escapade... I'm going to address a touchy topic: the generation gap in slash fandom. While age is not the only factor, because of the tendency for the young in years to be netfen, it does play a crucial role. I've never considered myself an elderfan, yet after attending the con and particularly the panel dealing with the gen gap, I now accept the label even though I've been in slash fandom less than a decade. Actual age and years in fandom seem to be far less important, than the way fandom manifests itself in the fan's life. Old fen are primarily (though not exclusively) con-and-printzine fen, whereas young fen tend to be solitary netslash fen. Many youngfen see no real point in cons, look blank when you mention mentoring, have no sense of community and think that the idea of fan ethics is laughable. They will not consider paying money for a zine when they can read all the slash they want "free" online. When challenged about the expenses of maintaining a computer and accessing the Internet, they rarely accept that those financial drains are part of the payment they make for the "free" slash. Many are militant about the overall freedom of the Net and have blinders on regarding potential legal dangers from copyright holders, governments and individuals who take issue with the concept of fanfiction and/or slash. They show little or no interest in the "history of fandom" and the traditions of our underground, outaw community. And, for the most part, they are thinner and prettier than we elders are. BUT they are full of energy and enthusiasm. They are the future and to sit snippily upon our aging laurels would be to doom slash fandom to a sorry and pitiful slow demise. Without fresh "voices" our beloved heroes will become silent or, worse, boring. Because something has always been done "our" way does not mean our way is correct. Sure, there are idiots among the youngfen. Well, I know a few elderfen who seem to rock along on one or less brain cells. Slash has survived us. I reckon it can survive the youngsters. And so can I. [30]

Further Reading


  1. ^ from Pentathlon #1
  2. ^ from DIAL #19 (2001)
  3. ^ from The K/S Press #1
  4. ^ Southern Enclave #48
  5. ^ The K/S Press #56
  6. ^ by Lezlie S in Strange Bedfellows #1 (May 1993)
  7. ^ from Comlink #40 (1989)
  8. ^ from DIAL #8 (1999)
  9. ^ from Too Much Fanfic? by Nic (mid-1990s)
  10. ^ from Comlink #40 (1989)
  11. ^ from a review of As I Do Thee #8 in Datazine #49
  12. ^ submission request for a zine that never got off the ground, from Datazine #49
  13. ^ Radio Free Old-Recs, 1999
  14. ^ from Not Tonight, Spock! #3
  15. ^ from S and H #32
  16. ^ from the zine's foreword
  17. ^ from Southern Enclave #22
  18. ^ a 1991 comment by Maggie Nowakowska in Southern Enclave #29
  19. ^ from [1] the final 1994 issue of the Beauty and the Beast newsletter, Lionheart
  20. ^ from DIAL #19 (2001)
  21. ^ from Lois & Clark Nfic Archive Interview with Jen Stosser
  22. ^ comment to the difference between fanfic and profic, dated April 6, 2007, accessed Feb 9, 2011; WebCite.
  23. ^ One thing I’ve been seeing a lot on Tumblr from older fans is the notion that fandom is wankier/more toxic on Tumblr than it ever was during the supposed good old days on LJ/DW and man–that is just not true., Archived version
  24. ^ from S and H #26
  25. ^ from DIAL #19 (2001)
  26. ^ from Maggie Nowakowska in Southern Enclave #29
  27. ^ comment on Virgule-L, quoted anonymously (June 13, 1994)
  28. ^ from Working Stiffs Interview with Sheryl Nantus aka Sheryl Martin
  29. ^ from DIAL #20 (2001)
  30. ^ from a fan DIAL #21 (2002)