Naked Times/Issues 01-10

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Issue 1

front cover of issue #1, by Pat Stall

back cover of issue #1

a 1978 flyer for issue #1, printed in Warped Space #40

flyer for issue #1

another flyer for issue #1

Detail from a flyer -- In 1978, a fan wrote: "The illo for THE NAKED TIMES, showing Spock as the (by now) infamous 'simpering gay' was priceless!"

See more at The Naked Times Flyer Controversy.

flyer for issue #1, printed in "Warped Space" #40

a variation of the You Are Receiving This Zine page from issue #1: "Why is this PERVERTED zine in my mailbox?!"

Naked Times 1 was published 1978 and has 132 pages. It was edited by Della Van Hise.

The front cover is by Pat Stall. Inside front cover illustrated by Scott Gilbert and title page illustrated by Craig Sattler.

Other art by Laurie Huff, Wanda Butts, Craig Sattler, Scott A. Gilbert, Al Zequeira, Amy Harlib, Pat Stall, Merle Decker, Kathy Carlson, Gordon Carleton, Gloria-Ann Rovelstad, Michael Verina, and Humberto Garcia.

"Moral Support: James Van Hise, Sandra Gent, Virginia Green, [and] Half of Fandom. Immoral Support: The other half of fandom. No Support: Mary Sue."

"Due to the tremendous interest shown at the last minute, there are several copies still available for purchase. AN AGE STATEMENT MUST ACCOMPANY ALL ORDERS. Tell your friends! Tell your enemies!"

"A Pon Farr Press publication respectfully dedicated to anyone who has ever loved.... in a different way..."

This zine has a second long, long (two pages, single-spaced) editorial that has roughly three sections.

The first explains why the zine was ultimately printed in four different shops -- 1) a paper shortage due to a strike, 2) the editor's unexpected move from Miami to San Diego, 3) the main printer in San Diego, despite agreeing in advance to print material "of a homosexual nature," refused to follow through with the contract.

The second part of the editorial is Van Hise's extensive comments on bigoted people, the importance of keeping one's personal and professional beliefs and duties separate, and Christianity.

The third part of the editorial addresses the tensions in Star Trek fandom at the time regarding Kirk/Spock fan material. For excerpts from this third part, see If we, as K/S fans, do not collectively, and SUDDENLY stop "feeding the flames," it is certain that no one ever will..

[from the first two parts of the editorial]:

So this is the first issue of NAKED TIMES in print at last. Hurray! I hope you're as happy as I am, and that the contents will live up to your many expectations. I won't say that it's been easy but is has been fun and through this I've opened up many new and wonderful acquaintances within fandom. If nothing else that alone has made it worth the time spent.

While NAKED TIMES did not start out as primarily a K/S zine, that's certainly the way this first issue has turned out — mainly due to the fact that that's the majority of material I received. Also, since K/S is still basically a new (and beautiful) trend in fan fiction, its exploration is practically endless, as the stories, poetry and vignettes in this issue will attest to.

As to the contents of this issue, let me say that I believe each story will speak for itself, and will offer a varying and different view of this relationship. . . and possibly even some insight into ourselves. Each story is widely different from the others, and this is the trend I hope to be able to maintain within NAKED TIMES.

For those of you who have never had the privilege to read DESERT HEAT, your prayers have been answered. DESERT HEAT will be reprinted in its entirety in NAKED TIMES 2 along with the original illos which accompanied it in SENSUOUS VULCAN — that zine so few of us (myself included} have been able to get. [Gayle F] has graciously given her permission for the reprinting of this classic story, and I have written to Dianne Steiner for her approval as well. If I don't hear from Dianne, DESERT HEAT will definitely grace the pages of NAKED TIMES 2. Though I will very rarely include any reprints in NAKED TIMES, I feel that DESERT HEAT certainly deserves more exposure than it has received. Thanks to everyone who wrote suggesting that I reprint it. Your letters have been answered as well as your prayers.

[snipped]

As with any zine, there is a long list of people who deserve a special word of appreciation and thanks for making NT a reality instead of merely a twinkle in the editor's eye. First of all, I haven't decided whether I should thank or murder Sandra Gent for introducing me to K/S (and therefore to NT) in the first place. I'll never forget her shoving a copy of SHELTER in my hands at 4:30 a.m. once, and carefully observing my wide-eyed reaction the whole time I was reading it. Without her, I might well have never picked up another fanzine, since I'd gotten off to a bad start by reading some of the early fan material which was "Mary Sue" in nature, and had left a rotten taste in my mouth, and dissuaded me from reading any other fanfic for a long, long time. Thank you. Sandra, for showing me I was wrong, and also for the hours of proofing you contributed to this first issue.

Also: Thanks to Ellen Kobrin for supplying me with the addresses of several artists and writers, as well as for your lovely contribution of poetry. And to Virginia Green for proofing and moral support. To my husband, Jim, for putting up with me throughout this madness. And a very special thanks to Pat Stall for joining the zany crew of NT sort of late in the game and for providing the gorgeous cover and the lovely interpretations of A MATTER OF TRUST. And to all the artists and writers who have taken the time to share a part of their love with us within these pages — a very, very special word of heartfelt appreciation.

[snipped]

Hopefully, if I am able to meet my self-imposed goal. I'll be pubbing NT about 3 times a year, or more if at all possible so I'm always interested in LoCs, either concerning the zine or fandom in general. But mind you, unless your letter specifically requests that it not be printed, I'll print anything I feel valid and noteworthy, space permitting.

[snipped]

There is one other matter which I would like to discuss, than I promise to stop. I would like to request most fervently that whomsoever has seen fit to start and feed the rumor that NAKED TIMES will be sold to dealers will please put an end to that rambling once and for all. NAKED TIMES is an adult zine, intended for a small and select audience, and I would never even consider making it available for wholesale to the masses of the uninitiated. I might be slightly crazy, but I'm not a raving idiot yet! So please squelch that cute little rumor once and for all. It makes the contributors nervous and the editor angry!

Perhaps the last word should go to Kirk, Spock, and the crew of the Big E. Thank you for coming alive within these pages, and for sharing your special brand of love with us here....

... Never and always... touching and touched.

Peace in IDIC,

Della Van Hise

• The Naked Truth: editorial by Della Van Hise ; illustrated by Scott A. Gilbert (ii)
• In the Beginning, poem by Rolaine Smoot (1)
• Not All Sweetness and Light [poem] by Crystal Ann Taylor ; illustrated by Laurie Huff (2)
• It's Stuck! by Della Van Hise; illustrated by Wanda Butts (2)
• Some Part of Me [poem] by Linda Frankel ; illustrated by Craig Sattler It Be Today? by Dela Van Hise ; illustrated by Al Zequeira (8)
• What Will It Be... Today? by Della Van Hise (8)
• Obsession, poem by Sandra Gent ; illustrated by Craig Sattler (13)
• Dreamweaver by Christopher Randolph, illustrated by Amy Harlib. (This is the story of Christine Chapel and what happens when she brings a seemingly innocuous looking "cube" aboard the Enterprise. The "dreamweaver" does indeed manifest dreams, but with a certain inattention to the wishes of the dreamer. Sequel: Best Laid Plans.) (14)
• So Much a Part... , poem by Toni Cardinal-Price (29)
• A Matter of Trust by Crystal Ann Taylor, illustrated by Pat Stall. (How much do Kirk and Spock trust one another when other people become involved in their professional lives?) (30)
• A Man's Body is Sacred, poem by Terry Todzonia (49)
• Asylum, poem by Sandra Gent ; illustrated by Al Zequeira and R.O.G.E. (50)
• An Anguish to Pay by Teri White, illustrated by Merle Decker. (This is the 2nd in Teri's trilogy; the 1st story, "Hour of Lead", appeared in THRUST. The third part is Hour of Gold in Nome #2. This is one possibility of how Kirk and Spock might deal with the pon farr… and how it will ultimately affect their continued relationship.) (52)
• Declaration, poem by Ellen L. Kobrin ; illustrated by Kathy Carlson (71)
• A Bitter Marriage by Della Van Hise, art by Al Zequeira (73)
• Shackled by the Bonds of Life by Christopher Randolph (74)
• Forbidden Fruit by C.C. Cain; illustrated by Gordon Carleton (From the flyer: "Have you ever laughed and thrown up at the same time? It's certainly a new experience, and one you'll become familiar with while reading this humorous short story which subscribes to the theory that nothing is sacred.") (76)
• Acension [poem] by Della Van Hise ; illustrated by Craig Sattler (81)
• Contemplation, poem by Toni Cardinal-Price ; illustrated by Gloria-Ann Rovelstad (83)
• Echoes by Della Van Hise (This is the 1st part of the OUTWORLDS series. ECHOES deals with the "first time" in the K/S relationship. After Kirk and Spock have been trapped on an isolated world for over a year, tempers flare… and lead to far more interesting discoveries. Sequel: Decisions.) (illustrated by Michael Verina) (84)
• Remnants of Madness, poem by Della Van Hise ; illustrated by Humberto Garcia (130)
• Afterglow, poem by Leslie Fish (132)

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  inside page from issue #1, Laurie Huff

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  inside page from issue #1, Craig Sattler

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  inside page from issue #1, Al Zequeira for "What Will It Be... Today?"

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  inside page from issue #1, Gayle F for "Dreamweaver"

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  inside page from issue #1, Pat Stall for "A Matter of Trust"

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  inside page from issue #1, Pat Stall for "A Matter of Trust"

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  inside page from issue #1, Al Zequeira for "An Anguish to Pay"

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  inside page from issue #1

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  inside page from issue #1, Merle Decker for "An Anguish to Pay"

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  inside page from issue #1, Merle Decker for "An Anguish to Pay"

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  inside page from issue #1, Merle Decker for "An Anguish to Pay"

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  inside page from issue #1, Kathy Carlson for "Declaration"

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  inside page from issue #1, Gordon Carleton

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  inside page from issue #1, Gloria-Ann Rovelstad

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  inside page from issue #1, Michael Verina for "Echoes"

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  inside page from issue #1, Michael Verina for Echoes; originally 8 1/2 x 11 painted on heavy illustration board; this illo was also used as part of Star Trek Portfolio Illustrations

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  from issue #1, some of the art by Michael Verina for Echoes; originally 8 1/2 x 11 painted on heavy illustration board; this illo was also used as part of Star Trek Portfolio Illustrations

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  inside page from issue #1, Humberto Gardia for "Remnants of Madness"

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  inside page from issue #1, Al Zequeira

Reactions and Reviews: Issue 1

See reactions and reviews for It's Stuck!.

See reactions and reviews for Echoes.

See reactions and reviews for Forbidden Fruit.

See reactions and reviews for A Matter of Trust.

See reactions and reviews for Dreamweaver.

See reactions and reviews for An Anguish to Pay.

[1979, zine]:

THE NAKED TIMES is an attractive, well-written zine that lives up to its name -- most of the "action in the stories takes place while the characters are out of uniform. Editor Della Van Hise has chosen stories which, for the most part, are handled with care while they seek to explore the complexities of the Kirk/Spock relationship.

"A Matter of Trust" by Crystal Ann Taylor is a lovely story that goes beyond the "first time" theme of so many K/S sex stories to confront the issue of jealousy between e bonded Kirk and Spock. When an attractive woman boards the Enterprise, stirring old desires and unsettling emotions in Kirk, they are forced to reevaluate their commitment and what it means. Crystal's sensitive writing style evokes the turbulent feelings of both men end provides a satisfying re- solution to their difficulties.

"Will It Be Today?" by Della Van Hise is an appealing vignette in which Spock ponders his desire to meld with Kirk for the simple fulfilling pleasure he gains from the telepathic contact. As the only story in which Kirk and Spock are not involved in a physical relationship, it expresses warmth and sensitivity while expressing the deepening closeness Spock feels for the Captain.

Teri White's "An Anguish to Pay"', the sequel to her "Hour of Lead" in Thrust, is somewhat less satisfying, due in part to the predictability of the situation -- a newly bonded Kirk and Spock sharing a secluded shore leave during pan farr. The Vulcan drive is violent and lasts several days, during which Kirk becomes a passive outlet for Spock's needs. The Vulcan, of course, feels guilty for using Kirk so badly. When the plaktow ends, the Captain is left with serious injuries and the two are rescued by McCoy, who reacts with serious anger toward Spock. The issue of Kirk's physical recovery and the violence of pon farr is glossed over, but the story ends happily with Kirk explaining things to a grudgingly understanding McCoy.

"Dreamweaver" by Christopher Randolph is interesting for its view of Christine Chapel, considering that the Vulcan-loving nurse is a character many fans openly dislike. In this story, all of her weaknesses are brought into play-- she is a vacuous, love-sick romantic ~ he disregards orders and common sense by collecting curiosities of unknown origin from various planets. One of her little treasures, which she believes to be an inanimate object, turns her dream of a romantic tryst with Spock into an ugly encounter of the worst kind. If you dislike Nurse Chapel, you may feel she gets what she deserves in this story, but if you're a Christine fan -- or a feminist -- you'll probably think she is badly used. The writing is excellent, however, and Spock, making the best of a bad situation, is allowed both his dignity and logic.

The longest story in the zine, "Echoes", is the first episode of Della Van Hise's lengthy proposed OUTWORLDS series which will appear in future issues. Serving to initiate a physical relationship between Kirk and Spock before it becomes complicated by the political intrigue that will apparently be a part of future episodes, "Echoes" is an interesting concept, a moving, if flawed, scenario. The writing is quite good, showing obvious care in editing, but the sequence of action is perhaps the major problem. For example, a bit too much time is spent on a long, though well-constructed, conversation between Kirk and Spock while they are stranded on an unknown planet, leaving little room for an adequate description of their rescue later. Many emotions and themes enter into the story end even if they serve to clutter things up a bit, the ideas and treatment are just unusual enough to provide controversy -- the kind that series of this type thrive upon.

NAKED TIMES also includes an abundance of poetry, the bulk of which is lyrical and lovely. Notable are "Afterglow" by Leslie Fish, "Obsession" by Sandra Gent and "Shackled by the Bonds of Life" by Christopher Randolph.

The artwork is of outstanding quality , with major stories illustrated by the exceptional work of Merle Decker, Pat Stall and Michael Verina. Pat Stall's beautiful and evocative cover as well as the illos for poems contributed by other artists give a polished look to the zine, complemented by, attractive lay-out and use-of graphics.

There is only one jarring note in NAKED TIMES, the unfortunate inclusion of a story called "Forbidden Fruit" by C. C. Cain. This raunchy rendition of the murder of a well-known anti-gay activist crosses the border between an amusingly ribald story and an unfunny cheapening of the characters. Juxtaposed against an editorial in which Della Van Hise supports the dignity and rights at homosexuals, this story seams like a cheap shot. The attendant Gordon Carlton illo does nothing to upgrade the character or return the dignity they've lost in the story.

All in all however, NAKED TIMES is a carefully edited, interesting zine whose editor and contributors obviously have a vary greet love for the cheracters and relationship about which they've chosen to write.

[1979, zine]:

With all the problems you had doing: NAKED TIMES #1, I'm surprised you had time to breathe! Good heavens! Printers, post awful... It's a rotten shame that you had so many hassles, but I hope you think it was worth it. I certainly do. NT is a lovely sine — an effort to be proud of! I was especially impressed with the overall neatness. What a pleasure to see nice, readable print and clear artwork. And, what a pleasure not to be subjected to the usual abundance of typos. (I've decided that certain zines must consider them their trademark!)

Teri's AN ANGUISH TO PAY was everything I had hoped for. I just pray it won't take as long for HOUR OF GOLD to be published. (ED. NOTE: HOUR OF GOLD will be pubbed in NOME 2... I don't think my patience could stand another work-out like that.)

FORBIDDEN FRUIT was fantastic. I loved it! (We need more humor — all this physical/psychological pain stuff can get to you after awhile.) The limerick completed it beautifully. And the Carleton illo... I also enjoyed IT'S STUCK and the cartoon on page 5 is something else. "It's dead, Jim." When I saw that, I thought I would die — haven't laughed so hard in ages.

I was fascinated with your psychological insight of K/S in ECHOES. But your ending — you're as cruel as Teri. The two of you keep us hanging at the worse places. Needless to say, I'd definitely looking forward to the rest of the series.

I was thrilled with all of the poetry selections — excellent, beautiful, some even haunting. Each one was special in its own way and I'm so happy to be able to say that; too many zines have poems that are near-carbon copies of work in other zines. I realize we're all dealing with the same characters, but once someone has stated something particularly well, let's not keep repeating it, changing a phrase or two! My favorites were OBSESSION, BITTER MARRIAGE (perfect!) and REMNANTS OF MADNESS (definitely one of the haunting ones. Wow!) and... and... and...

Well, enough rambling. Thanks again for the pleasure you've given me with NAKED TIMES.

[1979, zine]:

Compliments on the physical layout of NAKED TIMES, Enjoyed the combination of photos and illos. Pat Stall's were outstanding and I also enjoyed Craig Sattler's still-life on page 12, and all the cartoons.

Enjoyed your editorial and hope your 'printing' problems are resolved.

May I say, for the most part, I found the poetry in your zine most satisfying. The pieces by Leslie Fish, Sandra Gent, Toni Cardinal-Price were outstanding and lovely. Your own ASCENSION and REMNANTS OF MADNESS were quite good, the latter certainly an interesting possibility.

I enjoyed most of the prose, particularly Crystal's A MATTER OF TRUST — a good effort at examining possible conflicts or problems cropping up for K/S after being an accomplished fact — personal psychology and behavior are the best grounds for problems not outside influence, i.e. Starfleet. The only thing I didn't buy was Kirk's final scene with the commissioner. In spite of his emotional state, I think Kirk would behave with a bit more finesse in extricating himself free her presence.

Enjoyed Teri White's continuation of HOUR OF LEAD and will look forward to HOUR OF GOLD.

I also liked the way Randolph handled the K/S theme in DREAMWEAVER. This is also one of the few times I've felt a sympathy for Chapel — her love, her delusion, her very real hurt (psychological) and the hopelessness of the whole situation whether or not one subscribes to the K/S notion.

Cain's FORBIDDEN FRUIT was terrible and I enjoyed every terrible moment of it!

I did not care for ECHOES. It's not the premise I reject (K/S trapped together, etc.) but the writing, motivation and extreme shifts in mood — at times I thought it was a comedy (the incongruity of images on pg. 105 and Spock's behavior in Sickbay provoked outright laughter; perhaps you meant it that way. (ED. NOTE: I did.} But I thought it needed more thought, blue-pencilling and rewriting. I just can't accept Spock sneaking around in Kirk's mind without Kirk's knowledge; Spock does have some integrity; also Kirk suddenly thinking he may be mad, or 'seducing' Spock — although there is reason supposedly given. The second love scene I could have done without, as it struck me as artificial, contrived; at least the seduction had a lighter touch. It will be interesting to see what you do with the continuation of the story. Enough said about ECHOES — your WILL IT BE TODAY? was much better. All in all, NT was a good and interesting effort.

[1979, zine]:

Just before Christmas I received my first issue of NAKED TIMES. I had waited eagerly for my very first chance to read a real Star Trek zine — I was completely disappointed!

As you have probably guessed, the reason for my disappointment was that the entire zine was devoted to a theoretical homosexual relationship between Kirk and Spock, I can never accept the validity of such a relationship between then, and all such stories are therefore unbelievable — something aired Star Trek never was. It is illogical to expect Spock to enter into the biological dead end of homosexuality and Kirk is obviously drawn to women — not men.

Kirk and Spock do share a deep trust and respect for each other which is beautiful to see; but on aired Star Trek there was never an hint of a sexual attraction between them. (ED. NOTE: We must remember that Trek was filmed in the '60s -- a time when married couples slept in separate twin beds, and there were no bathrooms on the Enterprise either.) On the other hand, on several occasions they were each sexually attracted to a member of the opposite sex [list of episodes snipped]...

I do not object to ideas that were not a part of aired Trek, but when the personalities and characters of the principals are changed just to fit the sexual tastes of the authors, I strongly object!

You publish NT and must control it completely, but if it continues to cater to the homosexual minority to the exclusion of the heterosexual majority, then I will have neither the time or the money for it, and will not renew my subscription.

Since I have no time for hate mail please don't use my name or address.

[1979, zine]:

I am writing concerning the editorial and the lack of a publisher. The employee certainly felt strongly about his beliefs. Self-righteous is what such folks are called, I think, but that kind of person is really usually very religious, as you mentioned, but so narrow-minded that only their interpretation of religion and life is right. They cannot accept any deviation from their beliefs. Now, pity the poor souls who believe in IDIC, for you see, they are 200 years ahead of the times. Perish the thought that anyone could be tolerant, non-bigoted, loving — yes, even love someone of the sane sex — but, we have come a long way since Trek was first seen on TV. Why do the shows and the characters and the principles live on and on? Because of IDIC. Think how tolerant we are today compared to 12 years ago. It all started with Star Trek and it will not end, will not die. Ever.

[snipped]

In my opinion, that fellow at the printer's missed out on on excellent opportunity to broaden his education end he is the loser. By learning new ideas, new thoughts even if different from our own, we will grow, if in nothing hut knowledge, and hopefully in tolerance, understanding and non-judgmental character. Because one does not believe in something such as how to win-at-the-races-in-5-easy-lessons — or homosexuality — does not mean one should ignore the subject. Learn a little about the subject so the scales of knowledge vs. opinion will be a little more balanced — then decide, but learn the pros and cons, the ifs, ands, buts and maybes first.

By the way, I read the current issue in one sitting and and on the edge of my seat looking forward to finding out what happens to Captain (Cmdr.) Spock. IDIC FOREVER. Bigotry down!

[1979, zine]:

Ooooh! I am sooo infuriated. NT#l wasn't lost — it was being held by the enemy and vilely tortured! What harm did a poor zine do to them? Do you want to know its condition on arrival? The envelope was massacred, of course. On the cover was scrawled, "Disgusting perverts." The illos were all defaced with similar Bryant-isms. The back cover boasted, "Trash." I could barely see straight for hours! The barbarians are among us! It's outrageous! This nation is morally bankrupt. I'm leaving for the UFP.

As to your trials with the printer, I can only assume that the pressman and the post office fanatic were clones from the sane source. They all have the same identical small minds.

I keep a file dealing with the gay image in SF and take notes en all applicable fiction (but not poetry.) It's come in useful on numerous occasions. Your IT'S STUCK is the first humorous K/S piece to enter the file. I didn't think I'd like such a story, but I enjoyed it very much. I laughed out loud.

When I came to DREAMWEAVER I executed a full stop. How, this is unusual. I have never seen a K/S tale that is indisputably by a male. In view of the fact that the overwhelming majority of fan writers are women this should not be so peculiar, nevertheless, my hat's off to Christopher Randolph. I suspect that men in fandom who can understand what the K/S genre's about and fully accept it are very few indeed.

One thing about DREAMWEAVER bothered me, though. If Kirk is half awake, wouldn't he notice the wounds left by Christine and ask how they got there? Also, if they made love later on, there could be no avoiding the issue. I think not dealing with Kirk's reaction detracted from the story. Would he join in the conspiracy of silence or would he (more likely) wrestle himself painfully on the matter? How would this affect his relationship with Spock. I would have liked to see Christopher answer some of these questions.

I'll admit that I didn't at all like A MATTER OF TRUST. Oh, the writing was fine and the gift of the IDIC medallion was a nice touch — except that it symbolized something repugnant that was contrary to IDIC. The chain was the operative factor here. Kirk is being chained to exclusivity. It doesn't have to be! What is the meaning of IDIC? It is the recognition that people are different. These differences must be respected. All beings must have space and freedom to grew. Is this story showing us a growing relationship or one that has been locked in stagnation?

Teri White's HOUR OF LEAD was sensual. I remember thinking that it was one of the best in THRUST. AN ANGUISH TO PAY has a different kind of power. I hope that in HOUR OF GOLD McCoy learns to understand and accept Kirk and Spock's love.

On FORBIDDEN FRUIT — Right on! Usually I'm a gentle soul, but when they attack fanzines... Grrr! Let her have it!

The poetry mostly deals with themes that I've seen before, but your REMNANTS OF MADNESS was very striking and moving for that matter, I cried when I read it.

From what I can see of the illos, they must have been very effective. I would have liked Craig's Amanda if she didn't have an obscenity on her cheek. [reference to this fan's zine copy being defaced in the mail]. I hope the culprit was struck by lightning or annihilated by phasers or garroted by... I really am getting carried away. VILE SADIST!!!

You thought I was going to tell you not to print? Well, you're wrong. Do you think that a patently insane violator of society's codes would have the sense to tell an editor DNP the evidence? No way! I hope I'm a "disgusting pervert" in the eyes of the law-abiding people so low; as there are laws interfering in my right to "be me."

Better stop while I'm ahead.

[1979, zine]:

I have an ambivalent reaction to NT#1; some good, some bad. I personally found FORBIDDEN FRUIT just plain vulgar. Maybe I have no sense of humor, but if physical expression of love is to be more than animal, i.e. have a caring and compassionate concern for the loved one, then this piece of writing is inappropriate.

I also object to the violence in DREAMWEAVER, but if that's what the author wants to write I guess that's his concern. Somehow Teri White's violence came over better (except on page 67, where she has Bones suggest throwing a human woman to Spock in pon farr. Why would that be better?) Perhaps her 'violence' is easier to accept because it is a built-in character 'flaw' (yes, any violence is a flaw) whereas in DREAMWEAVER it was imposed by external forces.

I thought WILL IT BE TODAY was beautiful as a vignette -- wanting it is much more pleasurable than having sometimes.

Your ECHOES was by and large good, and I don't mind the long drawn-out discussion (which is good, too), but the pace of the story was such that I kept thinking -- Get on with it!

I liked MATTER OF TRUST. How the honeymoon is over, the subject is getting past the first thrust (thank goodness) and they have to deal with the rest of life — not only themselves. Like us. I've wondered if the K/S premise did, as was suggested in TURBOLIFT REVIEW I, arise partly from the failure to find a suitable female, but also a need to explore this side of life and beyond. The question of homosexuality was only a side issue, though a roadblock to someone, who could read no further. I know I didn't want to when I first heard about it, but SHELTER was a door opening. Now inside, it doesn't matter if they are same or opposite gender if the feelings are there. Readers, can identify with this partnership in spite of gender. We are all human; the problems of trust and jealousy in Crystal's story are our problems, too.

Concerning your printing problems: I can understand and sympathize with your frustration when you had a verbal contract with the shop and money down. I can also understand the manager being unwilling to force hie pressman to do something he considered immoral by his standards. Right and wrong don't come in black and white, but annoying shades or gray. Surely an employee can take such a stand at some point, but where? How about a prison guard ordered to beat prisoners; a soldier ordered to lay waste to a community; a pharmacist told he nay not stock contraceptives (or must carry them); the Republican printer asked to print Communist tracts... and on to your case. Where is the line to make a stand on the basis of one's own conscience? Some place in the gray. I realize my examples are life/death examples, and others involve freedom of expression and could be analyzed separately, but there is still a problem of where to draw the line. Compromise, as you did by going to another printer as the manager did by running the plates himself -- is at least still possible. We are fortunate to have that much freedom, but have to give up some of it to others.

[1979, zine]:

Art-wise NAKED TIMES #1 is a beauty! Story-wise... well, I had some doubts -- mixed reactions.

You certainly made an excellent choice in getting those illos from Pat Stall -- especially for the story, A MATTER OF TRUST! I consider Pat one of the top artists in fandom today.

It's just a bit too bad that the whole zine turned out to be "K/S: Lovers?" - oriented. I can be intrigued to see how writers handle the theme, but in future issues couldn't some stories be included which don't solely focus on this theme? A more mixed bag is needed. I will say one thing for the stories in this zine — most of then include more than just the sexual act. Problems were acknowledged.

NOT ALL SWEETNESS AND LIGHT: At least Kirk acknowledges that the concern is there. But maybe the concern can benefit — make him fight twice as fiercely to protect himself in battle — for Spock's sake. Perhaps the knowledge can trigger his mind into a desperate flash of insight that could save himself.

IT'S STUCK — What a joke: Here I thought they were finally caught in a story showing the negative side of the theory, and it turns into a cop-out in the last sentence. Clever December Fool!

DREAMWEAVER — Chilling tale of sadism and rape. I would have been totally repelled if it hadn't been for the suspicion that there was some reason for this. There was. But I really wonder whether Spock's not actually being more cruel in reigniting Christine's hope — when none really exists — for a deeper personal relationship between them.

MATTER OF TRUST — Interesting idea. At least one thing was right about this tale: Kirk had not lost all chance of being attracted to women even while he was bonded to Spock. Brings out one of the chief objections to the theory.

AN ANGUISH TO PAY — It was bound to come sooner or later. I hate to say it, but this story does argue strongly against a pon farr bonding relationship between Kirk and Spock. Do you really think Spock's going to chance damaging Kirk again? It was internal bleeding this time; next time it could be peritonitis, Who knows?

I wouldn't be surprised if Spock teaches Kirk the controls for surviving the severance of the bond — and then engineers a fatal "accident" for himself when he feels the first stirrings of pon farr again. I'm surprised at his naivete, though. In thinking that Kirk would ever consent to let him suicide that way. Once again, you got a good artist in Merle Decker. Especially the illo on pg. 65.

FORBIDDEN FRUIT — This was was my least favorite tale in the zine. While at first I did get a giggle out of the use of the Anita Bryant character, it later seemed dirty pool to me. I'd opposed to her efforts to maintain job and housing discrimination against homosexuals — and truly, I think she's taking the Lord's name in vain in doing it. But I think this story sank too low. It was just too coarse for my tastes.

ECHOES — I'm not too sure I can go along with the beginning. Maybe I'm used to Spock having more control over his mental powers — and not being able to accidentally implant fantasies in Kirk's mind. Guess I'm also bewildered by the sexual act; how could they feel joy, happiness — while Spock was being penetrated in a spot that was evidently not designed for this type of activity. Won't physical damage result if they keep doing it? But I'd love to see how you handle the hopeless bind you've place them in at the end of this story. Also, I'll admit the hints about the series -- impending crisis for the Federation -- intrigues me.

[1979, zine]:

I Just finished NAKED TIMES and wanted to write and tell you how much I enjoyed it.

The stories were all very good and the art was exceptional. I have several of Pat's originals, and I love Michael Verina's work.

I like the idea of your OUTWORLDS series. It voices an opinion I've held ever since the K/S theory started (and I'll admit I helped start it) which is: "Life goes on." Getting them into bed is great, but they can't spend the rest of their lives there. Let's put them back into their world, bonded and together, and see how they learn to live as a team — not just work as one.

Issue 2

front cover of issue #2, by Pat Stall; In the zine, she wrote: "This scene takes place inside the "Mirror" universe, where, apparently, Kirk and Spock are used to a more intimate relationship. An opportunity to be alone presents itself. Mirror Spock has not yet discovered that his captain is actually "our" Kirk, so he simple goes about doing what comes naturally, and presses his body up against Kirk. With his right had, he is about to initiate the ritual of removing Kirk's vest, while his left hand draws his captain's face toward him for a kiss. Kirk, taken completely by surprise, suddenly realizes what the name of the game is. Myriad thoughts tumble through his mind, simultaneously scrambling for recognition: 1) I'm the captain; it's my duty to do whatever is necessary to get my crew back to the Enterprise. 2) "Oh my God, what does he expect of me? I've never swung this way before. Even if I submit, will he be able to tell I'm not his Kirk because my responses will not be the usual ones?" 3) "Lord, he is so much like our own Mister Spock in so many ways. Oh, God, those eyes... probing the depths of my sou; this closeness... What would it be like to feel those lips against mine?" Without being aware of the movement, Kirk's eyes begin to rise from his side to encircle Spock..."

a flyer for issue #2, still being called "The Naked Times"

Naked Times 2 was published 1979 and has 165 pages. The front cover is by Pat Stall. The back cover is by Vel Jaeger. It was edited by Della Van Hise and Diane T. Jeffords. Art & illustrations by Mike Verina, Ruth Kurz, Virginia Lee Smith, April Deare, Leslie Fish, Edith Crowe, Mike McKinney, Ken Mitchroney, Kathy Carlson, Gayle F, Merle Decker, and Germaine Lewis.

From the editorial: print size -- part of this issue was photo reduced, and the editor apologizes for this eye-strain saying it was done to save on printing and postage costs. She says that all of the next issue will be reproduced in this fashion, "but not for the same reasons. We still plan to run approximately 150+ pages of art in text, but in order to catch up on some of the backlog of submissions, we've tentatively decided to have NT#3 photo reduced. Normally, I don't like to reduce the type on zines simply because I don't think anyone out there wants to go blind trying to read eensy-weensy print. However, in order to do justice to all the fine writers who have submitted material, I feel it will be necessary to reduce NT#3 and possibly all future issues, depending on how submissions continue."

From the editorial -- a partner in crime: "... I'd like to welcome Diane T. Jeffords to the insanity of being co-editor of this and all future issues of NAKED TIMES. Between the two of us, we hope to be able to keep NT on a semi-regular schedule -- hopefully publishing about three issues per year if all continues to run smoothly..."

Also from the editorial -- problems at the printer: "The "printing problems" encountered on the first issue seem to have be resolved nicely by simply going to another printer.... But I would like to clarify one point which was apparently misinterpreted by a few readers. I did not object solely to the fact that my last printer/pressman refused to print the material. My main objection was that this printer had held the zine copy in his shop for over a week before informing me that a problem existed... I do not feel that anyone should be compelled to do anything which goes against their own personal code of ethics -- but I also do not feel that it's fair to a paying customer to avoid facing the issue by pretending it doesn't exist."

• The Naked Truth?, editorial by Della Van Hise and Diane T. Jeffords (3)
• Dedication by Gene A. Smith (4)
• You Said It!, letters of comment (5)
• Long Ago and Some Day [poem] by Maggie S. Hart (8)
• Imbroglio, by Dayle Palko (10)
• Though This Be Madness by Alexis Fegan Black, illustrated by Gayle F (A "prequel" to the novella, "A Question of Balance". "Essentially MADNESS is the story of how the "dark" Mirror Spock comes to have a certain desire for the Kirk of "our" universe. By manipulating Time, Space and Destiny, that Spock enters Kirk's reality… and begins to make a few changes in Kirk's original way of thinking. Of course, "our" Spock has other ideas…" Another description: "A K/S story written strictly for pleasure: yours. . . and theirs.") (also in K/S Collected) (11)
• A Final Check, by Toni Cardinal-Price (26)
• Lester's Complaint by Leslie Fish, illustrated by Kathy Carlson ("While not strictly a K/S story, Leslie's sense of humor and excellent ability to tell a story make this one a delight to read and give a new view of Kirk's womanizing past." Another description: " A rather unusual piece of fiction which traces the early life of Janice Lester (TURNABOUT INTRUDER) and details exactly why she did the things she did to James Kirk." Sequel: Kirkʼs Defense) (also in K/S Relay #4) (27)
• I.D.I.C., by Christine Thomson (45)
• Moment of Decision, by Dayle Palko ; illustrated by Wanda Butts (46)
• Reconciliation, by Della Van Hise ; illustrated by Germaine Lewis (47)
• Possession by Toni Cardinal-Price, illustrated by Merle Decker (M/U: "After killing Marlena, Kirk rapes Spock in a drunken frenzy." Another description: " Another "mirror" story, with an unusual theme. Guaranteed to raise both eyebrows and tempers!" Sequel: Possessed) (50)
• Sweet Elysium, by Sandra Gent ; illustrated by Laurie Huff (60)
• But a Whimper by by Christopher Randolph ("The Enterprise destroyed, Kirk and Spock await death as they drift in the disabled shuttlecraft." Another description: " A short story dealing with infinity and the indestructable [sic] love of Kirk and Spock.") (also in K/S Collected) (62)
• Just Another Day, poem by Toni Cardinal-Price illustrated by Kathy Carlson (65)
• Desert Heat by Gayle F (The first in Gayle's "Cosmic Fuck" series. One of the very first pon farr stories told in realistic detail, with an attention to fact and fantasy as well. Gayle's illos add the finishing touch to this "must" for any serious K/S reader! Sequel: Beyond Setarcos) (reprinted from The Sensuous Vulcan, includes the original illos) (69)
• Writing Contest Winners
  • no. 2 winner by Sally A. Syrjala ; illustrated by Craig Sattler (83)
  • writing contest no. 2 winner : The Wise One by Fiona James ; illustrated by Virginia Lee Smith and Julie Osborne (Kirk, taken on the guise of a wandering preacher, is given Spock as his slave when he follows him into Vulcanʼs past where Spock has fled for reasons unknown.) (91)
  • Writing contest no. 1 and no. 2 winner by Eileen Roy (101)
• Sometimes When We Touch by Crystal Ann Taylor, illustrated by Edith Crowe ("A "Mirror" K/S story dealing with the feelings, the characters and the reality of how a K/S relationship might exist in the mirror universe." Another description: "— A "mirror universe" K/S story, offering some insight into the counterparts personalities, as well as their unique approach the relationship.") (102)
• Decisions by Alexis Fegan Black, Part 2 of the Outworlds series; illustrated by Michael Verina ("Rescued a year of being stranded together, Spock is forced to take command of another ship, separating him from Kirk who is now his bondmate." Another description: "which traces Kirk and Spock's fight to remain together in the face of overwhelming odds, and their battle against time and a madman bent on purging the galaxy of all "undermining influences."" Prequel: Echoes Sequel: Double Vision.) (120)
• Ni Var: The Bonding, poem by Merlin Adams (159)
• Ever and Always, poem by Ellen L. Kobrin ; illustrated by Kathy Carlson (160)
• The Naked Time, poem by Maggie S. Hart (162)

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  interior art from issue #2, Michael Verina

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  interior art from issue #2, sample text page

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  interior art from issue #2, Michael Verina for Decisions

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  interior art from issue #2, Merle Decker for "While You Sleep"

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  interior art from issue #2, Edith Crowe for Sometimes When We Touch

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  interior art from issue #2, Edith Crowe for Sometimes When We Touch

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  interior art from issue #2, Kathy Carlson

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  interior art from issue #2, Craig Sattler

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  interior art from issue #2, Kathy Carlson for Lester's Complaint

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  interior art from issue #2, Germaine Lewis for "Reconciliation"

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  interior art from issue #2, Laurie Huff for "Sweet Elysium"

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  interior art from issue #2, poem, I.D.I.C.

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  interior art from issue #2, Gayle F for Though This Be Madness

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  interior art from issue #2, Gayle F for Though This Be Madness

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  interior art from issue #2, Gayle F for Desert Heat

Reactions and Reviews: Issue 2

See reactions and reviews for Though This Be Madness.

See reactions and reviews for Possession.

See reactions and reviews for But a Whimper.

See reactions and reviews for Lester's Complaint.

See reactions and reviews for The Wise One.

See reactions and reviews for Decisions.

See reactions and reviews for Desert Heat.

See reactions and reviews for Sometimes When We Touch.

[the front cover]: Those early issues were breathtaking in their frankness. They had some lovely illos, too—I remember Pat Stall in particular. Her cover showing the Mirror characters... is one of the most erotic illos I’ve ever seen, just the pose and expressions.

[zine]:

• Though This Be Madness / Mirror Spock forces his way back into our universe and into our Kirk's bed, on a mission to force Kirk to acknowledge and act on his desire for his own Spock.

• Lester's Complaint / Janice Lester gives her life story in explanation / justification of her actions. It's a long series of repression and being stomped upon by the male-dominated society, and multiple betrayals by Jim Kirk. Leslie's usual compelling writing.

• Possession / Mirror Kirk, on return to his universe can't stand the comparison of his own life with that of our Starfleet folks, and rampages with drink and fury, murdering Marlena and then going after Spock. But Spock knows about the Tantalus Device.

• But a Whimper / Vignette of Kirk and Spock dying together in a last meld as their vessel disintegrates around them and a mysterious force retains life support just long enough for them to share a tearful farewell.

• Desert Heat / Kirk and Spock are stranded on a desert planet with Spock suddenly going into pon farr. Spock talks Kirk into tying him to the bed, but he refuses to leave to save himself. Kirk slowly talks himself into taking care of Spock's needs.

Writing Contest Winners

• Contest #2 / Spock has dashed through the Guardian into pre-reform Vulcan. Kirk and McCoy follow, finding him drugged and catatonic, which makes rescue a bit problematic.

• Contest #2: The Wise One / Spock has dashed through the Guardian into pre-reform Vulcan. Disguised as a Vulcan, Kirk follows. His cover is as an itinerant preacher of peace, in which capacity he eventually receives Spock as a gift. A bit predictable; Kirk of course turns out to go down in history as Surak.

• Contest #1: Contest #2: / Cute short-short. This time Jim and McCoy follow Spock into pre-reform Vulcan with lust in their hearts - after all, with all those warriors, some of them must be in pon farr at any given time.

• Sometimes when We Touch / Mirror Universe. An argument between Kirk and Spock over Spock's newfound vision of reforming the universe turns to battle - and then to passion.

[zine]:

One hundred sixty-five pages of K/S fiction, poetry, art. Lovely Pat Stall MM Spock and our Kirk front cover, enhanced by the artist's explanatory notes. Thish features three writing contest winners and eight long stories. Among the latter is a reprint of [Gayle F's] 'Desert Heat,' the first in her quartet of classic K/S stories; also part two of the editor's 'Outworld Series' -- 'Decisions,' in which the Daring Duo continue to battle Star Fleet's attempt to force Spock to accept his own command, and run afoul of Machiavellian politics among their superiors. Both 'Possession' and 'Though This Be Madness' come perilously close to being formula porn with their ritual rapes of Mirror Spock by Mirror Kirk in the former, and of our Kirk by Mirror Spock in the latter. There is very little storyline in either, and though nothing is said about the rapist wearing black silk socks, I wouldn't be surprised. Fun, but on a most elemental level. On the other hand 'Sometimes When We Touch' offers an interesting account of how MM Spock succeeded in recruiting his Captain into a dangerous battle against the excesses of their Empire; character changes and adjustment of attitudes are clearly suggested by both men, and it would be nice to see the storyline followed up by successors. Beautiful editing and layout make this a most handsome zine.

[zine]: Much mention has been made of Christians in the first two issues of NT. I'd like to clarify something important: "Gay" and "Christian" [are] not necessarily mutually antagonistic concepts -- nor are "Christian" and "intolerant" identical concepts! There is a certain intersection point in each [case]: as in algebra, some members of set A are also members of set B!... There is nothing anti-Christian about homosexuality/bisexuality, unless one accepts the most extreme factions' interpretations of scripture. Most Christian denominations dealt with this question a decade ago -- and liberalized their official positions. It was either that or deny a good proportion of their membership, or condemn it to the agonies of the closet. A pastor can hardly even begin to be a shepherd to his people if they cannot level with him about their lives and the people they love. How does this affect Kirk and Spock? Fortunately for them, they live in the 23rd Century -- and I believe that even Starfleet may have acquired a little human understanding by then. But those of us who are stuck in the 20th could make a stab at it... whether you call it IDIC or agape (Christian love).

One personal note: "Seductio Ad Absurdum" was written as a parody of "The Waters of Lethe", my own unfinished (so far) novel. Both were written before I'd ever read any non-commercial fan fiction. The French quotation was added after reading Shelter, for obvious reasons. And thank you, Leslie, not only for your perfect illo, but for believing in my originality. Merci mille fois!

[zine]: Again, you have put out another fine ish. At last, I could read "Desert Heat" and enjoy the first part of the whole series last, but it was worth the wait.

I definitely think the alternate universe stories give us an excellent opportunity to observe how varied the reaction to any situation can be. The Mirror K & S share the same kind of bond that our guys do, bu their responses to a given situation is as different as night and day. Also, we can give the characters a different dimension and take it as it were a poetic license, allowing them to do things that, in our universe, would be 'out of character.'

I didn't particularly like the Kirk of "Possession," but he, too, was the brash, daring captain we are so used to, but without the compassion to temper the wolf our own Kirk finally accepted back as an essential element of his being. Perhaps this Kirk needed to see his lamb and accept that that is also an essential part of what is lacking in his own make-up. He recognized that quality in the other Kirk and his Spock did, too, and responded to that. The thought of losing Spock was just too much. But at least in "Sometimes When We Touch," Jim and Spock seemed to have overcome these obstacles and begin to see just how much they do need each other -- not only on a professional level, but on a deeply personal one as well. I can't help but think of the Dark One from Though This Be Madness as Spock in Variations on a Theme, searching for a Kirk to call his own again and failing that, at least to make sure that every Spock and every Kirk could at least be aware of the things they could share.

Then there is your continuing story, and the plot thickens. Not only do we have an honest-to-goodness relationship, but one of intrigue as well. Needless to say, I'm looking forward to the next segment. The bonding sequence was so beautifully done, the zine would have been worth its price for that alone.

The poetry and illos are well done, and provide the warmth of the love these two special people have for one another. And in this world of running quickly from here to there, the brief respite is all there is tome for... and it helps.

[zine]: The cover on NT#2 was great! "Though This Be Madness" was brilliant. "Sometimes When We Touch" is the best of the mirror stories. The only story I really had trouble accepting was "Lester's Complaint." Rather than being a good study of Kirk's character, it became an attack on men in general. Kirk is sometimes obnoxious concerning his relationships, but the guy in Leslie's story was so rotten that it became impossible to relate to Kirk in him at all.

Overall, NT#2 was very good. Thanks for the enjoyment.

[zine]: I imagine you might get some criticism here for having the Mirror Spock who first made it with Kirk even though he did wish it was his own Spock; if anything, he was too eager. Mark you, get a man aroused and he will be, so that's nothing to criticize. Having said that, I think it was my favorite story in the zine, both for writing development and just plain feeling. (Both? Oh well. A Scot is perfectly liable to say 'Both the three of you.") I do feel though that it needs a companion piece, one where the Dark One gets his own Kirk. Gayle's illos -- wowee! No one else could get away with being so explicit. I think its' the facial expressions that do it, the sense of wonder showing through.

"Lester's Complaint": Again I feel this one needs a companion piece; the events at the Academy given from Kirk's POV. Granted, it does give one a feeling of sympathy for Janice Lester -- most women have, at some point in their lives (if not all the time), felt they were simply being used by the men in their lives, and Leslie got the flavor of that bitterness very well indeed. At the same time, Kirk was depicted in 79 episodes as a man of honor who -- granted -- used men several times, but when he did it it was as a weapon to save his ship. (Granted, it shows a considerable lack of imagination on his part if the only weapon he can think up is seduction -- but that's a script writer for you -- makes a fine labor-saving device. It's easier to write a few kisses and meaningless seduction than a reasoned, logical argument why-the-hell-should-she-help-an-enemy.) As I say, a companion piece where Kirk points out that he did try to encourage her to the work he honestly thought she would be best at, but she kept changing her mind?

"Possession" -- I didn't like much. I never particularly cared for the Mirror stories wherein Spock killed Kirk; there had to have been something for him to admire, something of the Kirk of 'our' universe, even though he didn't often let it show. Whereas "Sometimes When We Touch" did get Kirk's basic goodness, that he covered and disguised; did get the need to have someone -- just one person -- to live and trust; did have Kirk learn that he needed something worthwhile to fight for -- something he had probably never consciously though of before.

"But a Whimper" -- Normally, I don't like death stories, but this is kind I can accept: the two of them going together.

"Desert Heat" -- I'm one of the probably-few people who ever got a copy of Sensuous Vulcan, so I had read it. I think it suffers from [my] having read the next two stories in the series before I'd read DH. There's nothing I can put a finger on, but I find it a degree unsatisfactory. I've read Between Friends, too, but can't see McCoy joining it -- or either of them wanting him to. I think I'm looking for a hint of the permanency which came later -- more of a hit than there is in DH, that is.

"Decisions" -- Well, as I've said before, I don't like serials. Not fair to the reader, nor does it do justice to the writer, whose story is broken, making it correspondingly difficult to maintain the mood -- indeed making it impossible if the parts end on a dramatic high. However, since this part started with a new situation (more or less), [I] was able to pick up at the beginning like any single story. Development: I must admit I expected them to resign, but I can understand why they didn't. What I don't like is the apparent extent of the anti-alien lobby. Too pessimistic a view of the human race altogether. All in all, however, an excellent issue. The stories for the most part are even better than in NT#1. Artwise, Gayle's illos and that terrific cover of Pat's... The poetry was well up to standard. I think my favorites were Crystal's, Merlin's, and Ellen's. Now looking forward to NT#3.

[zine]: I'm not sure why I'm enjoying these stories so much, but I am, and although I can't, in reality, see K & S having a physical relationship, I do, to coin a phrase, find the idea fascinating! After reading NT#1 & 2, the jury is still out on which book I enjoyed more. #2, with the greater number of stories (it lasted longer), or #1 with the humorous touch. I know that I, for one, would enjoy more stories in a lighter vein. It would be a welcome relief after all those intense, emotionally draining stories. I can't believe that it would in any way, harm the integrity of your very fine zine, and I look forward to reading some in the future.

My one real criticism after reading NT#1 & 2 and Thrust, has to be with the lack of other characters in the stories. On the first reading, the stories with just K & S alone together on some planet doing their own thing for the first time are great fun, and you think that's the way it should be. But on the second, third, etc. readings, the stories become rather telescopic in content. Granted there are R&Rs given from time to time, and they would be alone then, but for the most part, they are only two people aboard a ship carrying a crew of over 400. This is not to mention the six people who are supposedly closer to K & S than anyone else in the universe -- particularly McCoy. I realize the majority of stories in your zine are not of a continuing series, and that it would be rather unrealistic to assume that they could mention everyone. But if there were at least some mention made about the ship or other people and the effect this might have on them, or perhaps the mere presence of one other concerned individual might be given the feeling that they didn't exist within a void, however that pleasant that might be at times. One of the reasons I like your "Outworlds" series so much is the fact that neither K nor S can escape from the effects of their choice. They do not live in Shangrala where all is peace and happiness. They live in the real world, full of problems and people who must be dealt with. It makes for a much better and more well-rounded story if you have their growing closeness told in context with their world and not set apart from their professional lives.

[zine]: NT#2 is a beautiful issue. You publish one of the best-looking zines being done today. The artwork, graphics, and layout are all outstanding.

Let's start with the cover: GORGEOUS! I just wish Pat had written a story to go with it. Her little teaser just whets the appetite.

The letters were interesting. I would like to comment on two: To "Anonymous": I don't really understand why you were so surprised to see that NT was primarily K/S. Della's advertising, both in the flyers and in other zines, has been very explicit about the content. Your arguments (and others I have read) against K/S all seem to overlook one point: K/S is fun, it's exciting, it's different (at least to me), and it's a blast to read and write! To me, that's sufficient reason for it to exist. To [Linda F]: I'm sorry to hear you've had such a problem with the postal service. It seems hard to believe that such a backward mind could exist, but they are are out there. They cannot be eliminated, so they have to be ignored and avoided whenever possible. But it is a damn shame.

"Though This Be Madness" -- If there is any one part of Trek that I like above the others, it's the Mirror universe. Especially Mirror Spock. Your story is great. I hope that little one-line throw-away (about both Spocks seducing Kirk) means you'll be writing that story, too. PLEASE!! Incidentally, your pun "hard realities" is going into my collection of things I wish I'd said. Of course, the English language doesn't contain enough superlatives to describe how I feel about Gayle's illos. She's the most distinctive artist in fandom.

"Lester's Complaint" -- This story left a bad taste in my mouth. I felt I should sympathize with Lester, but I can't. I just cannot see Kirk as an insensitive, career-wrecking clod for one thing. For another, though I realize that women have all had the things she talks about done to them by men, I find it hard to believe she had all that dumped on her. She gives the impression of a professional victim. This is probably very unfeeling of me, but I just cannot seem to work up any amount of sympathy for her. A very unsettling story.

"Possession" -- Here's another unsettling story. This Kirk is the dark image of our Kirk. His defensive attitudes have become so instinctive he cannot see the truth about someone else when it is presented to him. Spock did what he had to do, but he regretted it. So do I.

"But a Whimper" -- Another beautiful, emotional affecting story. Mr. Randolph is a very fine writer.

"Desert Heat" -- This story was worth every minute of waiting. I only wish I'd read it first, before the rest of the series in Thrust and Obsc'zine. However, I sat down and devoured the entire series in what sitting --- gad -- what an experience!

"The Wise One" -- This is the first thing I have read by Fiona James, and it is great. Hang on to this writer. I would love to see other stories placed in the pre-Reform Vulcan -- especially in this particular universe. (That's a hint!)

"Sometimes When We Touch" -- This is a better solution to the Mirror Spock's problem with his Kirk. Somehow, they just have to end up together. "While You Sleep" -- Very good, and I like the illo.

"Decisions" -- This second part of "Outworlds" is very interesting. You're building a very interesting situation politically here. However, it's just a bit too Rack-ish. Sounds like a king-size conspiracy is being perpetrated against the Federation, Starfleet and our heroes. Is there an organization equivalent of the Mafia in your universe? (Editor's Note: No. But would you believe the KKK?) this sounds like something they might think up; properly devious and nasty with some direct and bloody action mixed in. Your bonding scene and poem (Merlin Adams) are lovely, just beautiful with Mike's illo.

Thank you. Another beautiful zine.

[zine]: Congratulations on NT#2 -- even better than #1! Being especially taken with the Mirror universe, I was thrilled the moment I laid eyes on the cover. And what a cover! Gorgeous! Pat's really outdone herself this time. What gives it even greater impact is her own explanation of it. I think you should make that a regular feature -- have the cover artist give a short description of what's "going on." Speaking of the Mirror universe, it was a real treat to find some stories involving same, although... I know it's a savage universe, but I think "Possession" really took it an inexorable step too far! On the other hand, "Sometimes When We Touch" made the whole thing look too easy. Pushing Kirk up against a wall and having immediately melt into Spock's arms is just not giving the tantalizing differences within that universe their due. Still, both were enjoyable and well-written.

My favorite story was your "Though This Be Madness" -- What a sensual delight! Your Mirror Spock was perfect! Now, how about continuing that story and letting us all see what happens with Mirror Kirk?

Thanks for another memorable issue!

[zine]: I do have one comment to make in regards to [Karen P's] letter last ish on "A Matter of Trust" -- namely that Spock should not have bound Kirk to sexual exclusivity in their bonding. To me, the "bonding" presenting is a form of marriage. In today's time, there are people who have interpreted the "open marriage" concept to mean freedom from sexual exclusivity. But, too frequently, in practicing this sexual freedom, the result has been the eventual death of the marriage. Sure, Kirk and Spock must have freedom to develop as individuals, bu there are certain commitments one has to abide by in marriage. Otherwise, why make it in the first place?

Enough of that. On to thisish. "Possession" -- This didn't raise my temper. I considered such a situation very characteristic of the savage, conquering Mirror Kirk. But he was a fool to try it while leaving Spock in the same room with the Tantalus Field. How ironic: he succeeded where "our" Kirk failed -- getting his Spock to kill him, thus taking over command.

"Lester's Complaint" -- Very well developed. I actually found myself sympathizing with Janice. But I wonder what happened to those other two women in Command training? Did either of them make it? Or did the males in Starfleet Command reject them on false pretenses?

"But a Whimper" -- Touching death scene. At least they got their wish -- neither was left behind. Too bad there couldn't have been an illo.

"Just Another Day" -- This hurt goes really deep in Kirk. But I wonder if Kirk would still be alive if he felt this deep pain every day of the past 15 months. Even if McCoy could sympathize, wouldn't Kirk's constant grieving for Spock result in a decrease in his ability to command, and cause Starfleet to haul him in for thorough psychological evaluation? Or, I'd think that, on an anniversary of Spock's death, Kirk's guard would be down -- and he'd be dead, either from accident or disease due to weakened resistance.

"Desert Heat" -- Thanks for printing it. I've given up hope of ever getting my copy of Sensuous Vulcan. At least I got to see one story from it. A pretty good start to Gayle's series.

"Though This Be Madness" -- This is the story that raised my temper -- because it seemed to be offering a justification for rape -- breaking the barriers of Kirk's loneliness. Two problems I had with this. One: Who says that only sex can break down loneliness? What about caring, sharing secrets in quiet conversation, even a gentle hug which doesn't automatically signal a beginning of a sexual intercourse. The message of this seems to be "The end justifies the means." Two: The subconscious excuse, "Oh, the victim enjoys it" has been one reason why it's so hard to get convictions of real rapists.

"Decisions" -- This was my favorite tale. It was a good interweaving of K & S's new relationship with the gathering dark clouds of disaster for the Federation. Verina was in top form -- especially the illo on page 157. The conspiracy gets more and more tantalizing. A religious cult involved perhaps? And how is Kirk going to duck his new officers to make the Time of Mating rendezvous with Spock?

[zine]:

This is an "Adult" zine. That means it ostensibly deals with adult themes. Actually, except for a funny bawdy piece about Janice Lester by Leslie Fish, this zine deals with some rather childish fantasies of seemingly adult relationships. The writing is generally poor, the characterization distorted, and the whole effort rather pathetic. If you like this kind of stuff, there are other zines that do it better. Don't bother with this one.

Issue 3

cover of issue #3, Pat Stall -- from Pat Stall on the inside front cover: "Thank goodness you got here in time, Spock. You wouldn't believe what those people had in mind for me. Now, how about getting this $**&{%+! collar off my neck?" "Certainly, Captain, the dutiful Vulcan replied, and begins to oblige. His hands circle Kirk's neck and deft fingers, couple with Vulcan strength, easily snap the lock and part the gold ring. Relieved at having been saved once again by his faithful sidekick, Kirk smiles at his friend and says, "Well Spock, we certainly have gotten ourselves into a fine mess this time, haven't we?"

inside front cover from issue #3, includes Pat Stall's description of her front cover art

back cover of issue #3, Vel Jaeger. A different version of this art was used for the front cover of Matter/Antimatter #3/4.

a flyer for issue #3

a flyer for issue #3

Naked Times 3 was published 1979 and has 166 pages. It was edited by Della Van Hise and Diane T. Jeffords.

The front cover is by Pat Stall. Back cover illustrated by Vel Jaeger. Art by Pat Stall, Craig Sattler, Gayle F, Kathy Carlson, Wanda Butts, Germaine Lewis, April Beare, Merle Decker, Laurie Huff, Virginia Lee Smith, Julie Osborne, Edith Crowe, and Michael Verina.

[Pat Stall wrote the inside front cover's vignette, one which describes the action behind what she envisioned: an excerpt]: The Vulcan places Kirk astride his sehlat mount, and the two figures ride off into the warm, starlit night of the moonless planet, proceeding toward Spock's tent near a desert oasis. Happily, Spock had earlier acquired the necessary equipment for setting up camp by out-smarting a travelling rug salesman and two chipmunks. Upon arrival, Spock leaps from the sehlat's back and boldly tosses his mask and sword to the ground as Kirk dismounts. Satisfied that his new owner has everything under control, the sehlat ambles into the tent to rest while maintaining a watchful eye on the two protagonists. The Enterprise leader walks up to his first officer, all the while scrutinizing his furry chest and sheer white shirt, wondering how Spock managed to overcome his usual Vulcan modesty. (That was his third mistake.) "Thank goodness you got here in time, Spock. You wouldn't believe what those people had in mind for me. Now, how about getting this $**&{%+! collar off my neck?" "Certainly, Captain, the dutiful Vulcan replied, and begins to oblige. His hands circle Kirk's neck and deft fingers, couple with Vulcan strength, easily snap the lock and part the gold ring. Relieved at having been saved once again by his faithful sidekick, Kirk smiles at his friend and says, "Well Spock, we certainly have gotten ourselves into a fine mess this time, haven't we?" Unfortunately, as happened in the prehistoric past of Sarpeidon, Spock's personality begins to assume the characteristics of his Vulcan forebearers in this time period. He smiles back at the captain as he responds to only himself. You may be in bigger trouble than you realize, Human. His gaze locks with Kirk's as he whispers, "Interesting; your chest is completely devoid of hair, Jim..."

• inside front cover, a full-page fiction vignette by Pat Stall, which explains the front cover
• The Naked Truth: editorial by Della Van Hise (ii)
• You Said It!, LoCs (iv)
• A Private Message, poem by Della Van Hise (unnumbered page)
• T'hyla, poem by Leslie Fish (unnumbered page)
• A Careful Analysis: review by Christopher Randolph, see A Careful Analysis: The Roddenberry Footnote (unnumbered page)
• Sweet Sacrifice by Jimmye Galli (1)
• Overheard by Linda Frankel (2)
• Double Vision by Alexis Fegan Black; illustrated by Michael Verina (Part III of OUTWORLDS, this story introduces the concepts of xenophobia within Starfleet -- the idea that perhaps a few high-ranking officials still haven't learned to control their instinctive fear of that which they do not understand. These prejudices come to disrupt the lives of Kirk and Spock -- personally as well as professionally -- and their very existence is threatened, as well as the existence of Starfleet as they know it… (3)
• Agony, poem by Dolly Cook (29)
• Love Is, poem by Christine Thomson (also in Golden Oldies and New Delights) (31)
• Rapine, poem by Dayle Barker (32)
• Intruder by Ruth Kurz; illustrated by Ruth Kurz (Kirk is inhabited by an entity wishing to experience emotions.) (32)
• Unguarded Moment, poem by Merlin Adams (37)
• Never, Love, poem by Maggie S. Hart (38)
• Hidden from View, poem by Linda Frankel (47)
• The Best-Laid Plans by Doreen C. Dubois; illustrated by Virginia Lee Smith (When Kirk discovers that Spock has been with Chapel, he threatens retaliation for his bondmateʼs apparent betrayal. Prequel: Dream Weaver.) (41)
• The Loss, poem by Dolly Cook (48)
• Sensation,poem by Toni Cardinal-Price (49)
• Glissando, poem by Dayle Barker (50)
• Possession, poem by Maggie S. Hart (52)
• Loving You, poem by Crystal Ann Taylor (53)
• So Nearly Lost, poem by Merlin Adams (54)
• One of Those Days, poem by Toni Cardinal-Price (56)
• This Deadly Innocence, Or The End of the Hurt/Comfort Syndrome by Leslie Fish; illustrated by Leslie Fish. This exquisite, classic novella details just why Kirk and Spock have so many unfortunate accidents in the so-called "line-of-duty". Once McCoy discovers their dark secret, they are sent on an extended leave to the planet Lilliput -- a world where everything exists in miniature… and where accidents are relatively impossible. Needless to say, the two accident-prone culprits must learn to deal with this -- and to deal with their own feelings as well. Illustrated by Leslie.) (also in K/S Relay #4) (58)
• The Logical Thing to Do, poem by D. Booker (96)
• From the Floor by Diane T. Jeffords (97)
• ...To the End, poem by Della Van Hise (97)
• Shore Leave by Fiona James; illustrated by April Beare (An almost fatal accident while on shoreleave allows Spock to finally confess his desire to Kirk.) (98)
• Question and Answer, poem by Merlin Adams (104)
• Kirk's Defense by Wendy Rathbone (A reply to Leslie Fish's "Lester's Complaint" from Naked Times #2) (also in K/S Relay #4) (105)
• Estrangement, poem by Ellen L. Kobrin (108)
• The Best Medicine : Humor section (108)
  • Introduction - cartoons by Mike McKinney and Ken Hitchroney
  • Spoke's Lament by Merline Adams and Ray Newton
  • Sweet Mary Sue by Gene A. Smith
  • The Captain's Mast by Rolaine Smoot
  • Spock's Chest by Merlin Adams
  • A Logical Exercise, or seductio ad absurdum by Maggie S. Hart ; illustrated by Leslie Fish (5 pages)
  • Move Over, Captain by Merlin Adams
  • Things That Go Bump in the Night by Merlin Adams
• Unanswered Question, poem by Diana Rusnak (119)
• The Lorath by Ray Newton; illustrated by Michael Verina (A beautifully written story detailing what might happen if Spock should "happen" to find himself in a pre-Reform Vulcan era -- a world where slavery was common, even revered… and where he himself feels far more at peace with his hybrid nature than in the world of Starfleet. But… Kirk is compelled to follow his fleeing companion into a world where he is truly unskilled and unprotected… and fair game for slavers who seek to exploit his unusual qualities. Sequel: The Lo'Chin) (121)
• A Very Personal Opinion, poem by Sharron Decker (141)
• A Little Knowledge by Pamela Rose; illustrated by Katy Carlson (Spock and Kirk go to Vulcan when Kirk voices a desire to learn all things Vulcan after dreaming of his loverʼs death. Sequel: The Last Words.) (142)
• In the Glade, poem by Maggie S. Hart (152)
• The Empty Hours, poem by Ellen L. Korbrin (154)
• Yet Shall He Live by Alexis Fegan Black (also in K/S Collected); illustrated by Merle Decker (156)
• Paradise Regained, poem by Diane T. Jeffords (164)
• Questions, poem by Gene A. Smith (165)
• Interludes, two poems by Gerry Downes and Della Van Hise (166)
• art by Gayle F, "Bubbles"

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  inside art from issue #3, Michael Verina for Double Vision: A fan in 2011 said: "Kirk menaced by a drag queen! Kirk with a Señor Wences mouth! McCoy with glowing femme-y eyes!"

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  inside art from issue #3, Michael Verina for Double Vision

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  inside art from issue #3, Leslie Fish for This Deadly Innocence, Or The End of the Hurt/Comfort Syndrome

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  inside art from issue #3, two poems, sample text with illos

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  inside art from issue #3, Ruth Kurz for Intruder

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  inside art from issue #3, Virginia Lee Smith for The Best-Laid Plans

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  inside art from issue #3, April Beare for "So Nearly Lost"

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  inside art from issue #3, Leslie Fish for A Logical Exercise

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  inside art from issue #3, Michael Verina for The Lorath

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  inside art from issue #3, Kathy Carlson for "A Little Knowledge"

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  inside art from issue #3, Merle Decker for Yet Shall He Live

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  inside art from issue #3, Gayle F for "In the Glade"

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  interior art #3 for "The Lorath" by Michael Verina: Spock "takes the veil" -- from The Lorath which was subject of the article "Sexuality in K/S Fiction" (discussing homophobia in K/S fanfiction) from Not Tonight Spock! #10

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  inside art from issue #3, Gayle F, titled "Bubbles" --Note: Marked as sexually explicit; minimized.

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  inside art from issue #3, Virginia Lee Smith for "Glissando" -- Note: Marked as sexually explicit; minimized.

Reactions and Reviews: Issue 3

See reactions and reviews for The Lorath.

See reactions and reviews for This Deadly Innocence, Or The End of the Hurt/Comfort Syndrome.

See reactions and reviews for Double Vision.

See reactions and reviews for Kirk's Defense.

See reactions and reviews for Shore Leave.

See reactions and reviews for Intruder.

See reactions and reviews for The Best-Laid Plans.

See reactions and reviews for Yet Shall He Live.

See reactions and reviews for A Logical Excercise.

See reactions and reviews for To the End.

[zine]:

• Cover story / Pat Stall, inside front cover. Story for the cover illo. Kirk and Spock have gone through the Guardian to pre-reform Vulcan and become separated. Spock arrives, in warrior garb, just in time to rescue Kirk from the slave market. But then again, he is feeling the effects of being a pre-reform Vulcan...

• Double Vision / Part III of the Outworlds series. In this installment: A faction of "xenophobiacs" headed by Admiral Sternes is plotting to take over the Federation. Kirk and Spock are bonded, but Spock has left the Enterprise to take command of the Vuclan exploration ship Discovery. The timing of the separation is decidedly unfortunate, as Spock is fighting off his pending pon farr and because of his bond with Kirk cannot take another. Among his new crew, Spock finds friendship in his ship's healer T'Reuel and second-in-command Slarn, a directional telepath, both more or less outcasts on Vulcan due to their unusual mental powers. And an enemy in the openly insulting Stonn. Working in the neighborhood of the galactic barrier, Discovery finds and attempts to rescue the Intrepid, whose crew is now hopelessly insane except for its commander, Garth of Izar. T'Reuel manages to get reluctant Spock through his ordeal alive with the help of Garth's knowledge of cellular metamorphosis. Meanwhile, back on Enterprise, Kirk is feeling the effects of Spock's condition while he and his loyal crew maneuver to put Sterne's planted henchmen - including hostile Areela Noonan, Spock's replacement - out of commission. They head out to find Discovery (and Intrepid) but have barely made contact when Enterprise is surrounded by 5 Federation warships...
• Intruder / A non-corporeal entity is so delighted with the landing party and their interesting emotions that it slithers into Kirk, where it becomes an emotional magnifier leading to entertaining results including Scott beaming Kirk and Spock to the transporter room locked in a kiss.
• The Best-Laid Plans / Sequel to "Dreamweaver" by Christopher Randolph (Naked Times #1). At Christine's birthday party, Kirk learns that Spock has slept with her, and is furiously jealous, refusing to accept Spock's explanations about having been under telepathic control at the time. Despite McCoy's attempts to mediate, Kirk goes off for a night of shore leave carousing in revenge, arousing Spock's own jealousy - which is both the wrong and the right thing to do.

[zine]:

A very well printed and put together zine, it tries for a variety of stories, though the endings are so predictable {and there's not that many ways of doing it, it seems). Why does everyone assume that Spock's anatomy is the same as Kirk's?

The most outstanding stories are by Leslie Fish and Della. A lot of poetry, and good illos by Pat Stall (cover), [Gayle F], and Pish.

The most outstanding story is by Leslie Fish, appropriately titled "This Deadly Innocence" or "The End of the Hurt/Comfort Syndrome"! Written with a great sense of humor along with a very intelligent dialog, Spock debates himself over the value of emotions. And the nice gradual closeness and its logical conclusion makes the K/S ending seem OK even for those who don't prefer such an ending. Yes, that is the end of the "hurt/comfort" syndrome for sure. Now if you want to write a story with a less horny Kirk and no K/S sex, you just end their shore leave at one week instead of the three or four that this one lasts. I also liked her description of the many little beasties that live on the planet. Great story!

Della Van Hise's "Double Vision" which is Part III of a still to be continued series has a welcome change, a K/S scene that really isn't male to male! Good characterization and filling out of other characters makes one interested in the future of Spock's new crew: Slard, a directional telepaths T'Reuel the Healer, and even Stonn! Also liked "Yet Shall He Live" by Della. That's the kind of perfect ending to have: immortality for Kirk, Spock and McCoy — and McCoy got it first and didn't even know it. Makes one a bit uneasy about the future, though; shades of The Fate of the Phoenix!

Other stories by Pamela S. Rose, Ray Newton, Maggie S. Hart, Fiona James, Ruth Kurtz, and Doreen C. Dubois.

[zine]:

Unless you've been in solitary confinement for the past four years, you know that one of the hottest topics in Star Trek fandom is whether or not Kirk and Spock had a homosexual relationship. In fannish literature, this topic is often referred to as the K/S premise, the premise, or simply as K/S. Before you read further, let me be perfectly honest with you and tell you that I, personally, am not pro K/S.

Anyway, K/S stories have been appearing in many fanzines, and now there is one fanzine, THE NAKED TIMES, that is exclusively devoted to this theme. The current issue is THE NAKED TIMES #3. It is a handsome volume with lots of illustrations. The text is in deduced type, but in double columns for clarity. Except for one story, the entire issue is devoted to K/S. If you find same sex love stories and artwork offensive, you will be thoroughly offended by this fanzine. Although the artwork is of high quality, it does not stop at mere male frontal nudity. Indeed, one illustration clearly depicts Kirk and Spock copulating in a bubble bath which does little or nothing to conceal the disposition of their private parts. Many of the stories also include sexual scenes which are equally explicit.

Of the fiction, the best offering is one of the least explicit. I was thoroughly enchanted by the Leslie Fish novella, "This Deadly Innocence" or "The End of the Hurt/-Comfort Syndrome". It seems that Kirk and Spock have a transactional game going wherein one party gets himself in trouble and has to be rescued by the second party who is seriously injured in the attempt. The payoff in the transaction comes during the touching sickbay scene in which the first party is present to comfort the second party when he regains consciousness. It's the only way they have found to express their love for one another. Anyway, after the sixth transaction, McCoy decides to raid the game before one of the players gets killed. He explains the game to both of them separately, and then forces them to take shore leave together on the planet Lilliput to work out their communication problem. The characterizations are very well done, and the time they learn to express their love for each other, it seems only natural that they express it physically, too. The planet Lilliput with all those miniature animals is also a delight.

I also enjoyed Ray Newton's story, "The Lorath" even though it was considerably
 more explicit. Kirk pursues Spock through the Guardian to pre-reform Vulcan. They are
 separated, and Kirk is captured by Vulcans and trained to become a Lorath, or male pleasure slave to a Vulcan Warrior. Naturally, Spock appears in the nick of time as a Vulcan
 Warrior, and before we know it, they're in the sack together. It is of interest for the depiction of pre-Reform Vulcan. The remainder of the fiction is merely competent and of interest only if K/S is your bag. There is poetry, mostly mushy, with an "I love him" theme that gets tedious with repetition. The back cover was done by our own Vel Jaeger.

[zine]:

NAKED TIMES 3 is famous for Leslie Fish's story, "This Deadly Innocence, or The End of the Hurt/Comfort Syndrome." It was as good as it's made out to be—romantic, touching, and funny, with a marvelous last-line-but-one, that should to my mind have been the last line. Worth the price of the zine, and you get a lot of other good stuff, too, like "A Logical Exercise, or Seduction Ad Absurdam" by Maggie S. Hart (Kirk and Spock trapped in a small space; guess what happens next) and Ray Newton's "The Lorath" (ancient Vulcan).

Issue 4/5 (aka Issue 4/5: Part One)

back cover issue #4/5

front cover of issue #4/5, by Mike Verina -- "Change in the Act" by Wendy Rathbone is a one-page humorous vignette which tells the story of this cover; it includes Kirk talking Spock into "an adventure" involving semi-nakedness, a stuff sehlat, and "mint-flavored body frosting."

A fan in 1999 said: "The Della Van Hise zines I have are all from around 1979-81. They are all called "Naked Times". Many of the stories reflect the era we were in; the guys are not well adjusted, it's all a big bad secret, etc. However, it was still amazing to see anything like it.... Unreal... Buy this stuff if you can find it. One of my favorite pics is a drawing of Kirk and Spock out on a lark. Spock in PJ's - sans top holding a stuffed toy sehlat. Kirk has the pajama top. And only the top. And a spray can. Get the idea?"

flyer for issue #4, printed in issue #3 (note that it says the publication date for this issue was planned for "sometime during late spring or early summer 1980." It says that "We are not interested in "Mary Sue" type stories whatsoever, but will print non-K/S material of a controversial nature. Hopefully, we would like to do more "involved" stories in NAKED TIMES, dealing with the relationship after its establishment. However, a good first-timer is always welcomed, too, provided it takes a different approach.")

Original art used in Naked Times #4/5 for the story The End of the Beginning -- The artist says: "This is one of my favorite creations, which became the design for a 9-piece project (portraits of the Kirk/Spock/McCoy triad, based on images from ST:TOS, TMP, and TWOK) during my 4th semester of Printmaking at Mira Costa College in California. I took one semester of Watercolor, during which I labored like Hercules to produce something I didn't want to shred on completion. I'm not a very patient person, and learned why that medium is rightfully considered among the hardest of all."

Naked Times 4/5 (part one) is undated. The flyer said it had been planned for "sometime during late spring or early summer 1980." It appears to have been published in 1981. It contains 134 pages. The art by Vel Jaeger, Ellen Blevins, Barbara P. Gordon.

This issue was edited by D. Hawks.

The flyer published in "Naked Times" #3 lists two stories that were not included in the finished zines. They are:

• "Pet" by Ruth Kurz ("Spock is stranded on a planet where slavery is rampant and times are harsh. But... this time, Kirk isn't his master.")
• "Ni Var: The Slave" by Fiona James ("In this universe, Vulcans -- one in particular -- never made it into Starfleet... not as an officer, anyway. A surprising tender story set in the Mirror universe")

[From the editorial in "Naked Times #4/5" (1981)]:

Just when you'd given up hope, here it is: NAKED TIMES 4/5. Actually, this is Part I of NT4/5. I'll be mailing out the supplement — Part II — just as soon as humanly possible. I ask for your patience (once again), and hope you understand that fandom sometimes has to come second to real life. I wish it could be otherwise... but what with the state of the economy these days, that's the way it goes. Advance orders weren't enough to cover the complete cost of printing NAKED TIMES 4/5 in its entirety this time, so I'm mailing out the first 134 pages with an IOU for the rest. Not ideal... but better than waiting for manna to come from heaven, right? At this point, I have no precise date as to when Part II will become a reality, however I hope to have it completed and mailed long before the end of this year — long before!... Since the last ish of NT was published in December of 1979...I am well aware that some persons out there have started to think that I had/have no intentions of fulfilling my subscription obligations, etc. It's not surprising that this rumor would have come into existence, considering how long it's been since NT3. What is surprising, however, is the fact that relatively few people bothered to confront me directly with this accusation. As usual, it comas to me through the back door of the rumor mill — a tired old source, not very reliable or pretty, and extremely irritating — to put it in kind terms. I've heard more about myself ranging from the possibility that I've gafiated to Hawaii with fanzine money to the possibility that I've been dead and buried for over a year. (And those are just the printable ones). For those of you who have been patient, and who have written or called, I apologize for the necessity to put this into print. The patient and understanding fans are certainly in the majority. But it's that minority of folks who get bored and need something to talk about which continue to cause problems for everyone. It's been said before, but I think it bears repeating — that rumors are the single most destructive force in fandom, rumors and those to subscribe to them with hearty appetites...

As to the future of NAKED TIMES... Yes, I will continue to publish the zine — for at least three more issues and probably more. However, due to financial and personal reasons, the format of the zine will be changing beginning with NT6. All subsequent issues will be approximately 100 pages. We will continue with the reduced type format whenever possible, as this gives more per page...

For those of you who have pre-ordered Killing Time, it will be published sometime later this year. Again, I don't have a precise date, but I'm shooting for a summer publication -- just as soon as the artwork starts rolling in. For those of you who may want to order, the cost is $11.50, post-paid and an age statement is required. This zine is not entirely of a K/S nature, though it does contain explicit sexual scenes and same-sex relationships. Please keep that in mind when ordering.

• Editorial (1A)
• The End of the Beginning by Maggie S. Hart (This is a very poignant and touching story concerning Spock's trek to Gol -- and how it affected those he left behind. Told through the eyes of Leonard McCoy, it traces the lingering effects Spock's departure has had on Kirk. One of the first Gol stories.) (1)
• Triune by Vel Jaeger (13)
• Between the Lines by Ellen Blevins (14)
• Dialogue by Mary A. Smith and Ann Flegg (16)
• Reflections by Rosemary C. (17)
• Before and After by Susan Wyllie (18)
• Lament by Mary A. Smith (19)
• Resurrection by Della Van Hise (21)
• Until I Am Sure by Jimmye Galli (22)
• Questions & Fantasies by Pamela S. Rose (22)
• The Last Words by Pamela Rose (Returning to the ship, Spock begins to draw away from his bondmate, and then tells Kirk he plans to have the bond broken after being at Sarekʼs death bed. Prequel: A Little Knowledge.)
• The First Time by Mary A. Smith (36)
• The House on Beacon Street by Susan Wyllie (37)
• Crisis by Merlin Adams (38)
• What Other Choice? by Joy Mancinelli (What occurs when Kirk and Spock are separated through professional avenues in order to pursue slightly different paths? This gives us a look at the effects absence has on the hearts and minds… and whether any relationship can withstand professional commitments which were made before a relationship began.) (39)
• Love Endures by Gena Delapenia (51)
• Possessed by Ray Newton (One of the most surprising K/S stories ever to be written. A tightly controlled plot set in the mirror universe leads us to believe on thing… when another thing entirely is really transpiring. Twists and turns -- sexy and sometimes frustrating! Prequel: Possession in issue #2, a story by Toni Cardinal-Price) (52)
• Commands of a Slave by D. Booker (68)
• Thataway by Leslie Fish (69)
• Vulcan Eyes by Madelein Lee (77)
• Of Star Travellers & Galaxies by Sharon F. (78)
• Deck 5's Bathroom Rhyme by Rosemary C. (79)
• Limericks by Barbara T. and Gene Delapenia (79)
• A Message of the Heart by Mary Aldridge (Spock misinterprets a Valentine from Kirk, thinking it signifies the death of their love.) (79)
• A Genital Ode by Linda Neal and Sharon F (84)
• A Game of Kings by Susie Gordon (Kirk somehow loses five games of chess in a row to his lover, making Spock wonder if it was deliberate.) (85)
• A Taste of Mint, vignette by Ruth Kurz (86)
• The Morning After by Mary A. Smith (88)
• The Story by Mary A. Smith (88)
• The Non-Offensive K/S Story by Fiona James (96)
• Details by Audrey L. Williams (97)
• The Lo' Chin by Ray Newton (Returned to the present, Kirk and Spock decide to go to Vulcan in order to have their bond formalized. Prequel: The Lorath.) (98)
• Kindred Souls by Linda Neal (133)
• When None May Follow by Crystal Ann Taylor (134)

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  art from issue #4/5, page 33, Vel Jaeger for The Last Words

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  art from issue #4/5, Vel Jaeger -- "Was opposite a poem of mine... the title is "Triune," a bit of doggerel that must have made sense at that time, but doesn't hold up well. If the art looks familiar, it's a knock-off of a TV Guide cover."

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  art from issue #4/5, Vel Jaeger -- "The original Kirk design that started the etching frenzy."

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  art from issue #4/5, Ellen Blevins for "Between the Lines"

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  art from issue #4/5, B.P. Gordon for Possessed

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  art from issue #4/5, B.P. Gordon for Possessed

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  art from issue #4/5, Ruth Kurz for "A Taste of Mint"

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  art from issue #4/5, Vel Jaeger for The Lo' Chin

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  art from issue #4/5, Vel Jaeger for The Lo' Chin

Reactions and Reviews: Issue 4/5 (aka Issue 4/5: Part One)

See reactions and reviews for Possessed.

See reactions and reviews for The Lo' Chin.

See reactions and reviews for Lament.

See reactions and reviews for The End of the Beginning.

See reactions and reviews for The Last Words.

See reactions and reviews for What Other Choice?.

See reactions and reviews for The Message of the Heart.

See reactions and reviews for The Story.

1983:

[zine]:

I ordered this zine in September 1981 and paid $14.50 which, I presume, entitles me to both parts when and if Part II appears. Part I came in April 1982 and its preface promises Part II "as soon as humanly possible" and certainly before the end of 1982. So far it hasn't appeared in my mailbox and the most recent issues of 'Datazine' ('Forum' that was) and 'Universal Translator' have no listing at all for Pon Farr Press.

And when you've got Part I, you haven't got much. There's nothing really outstanding in this edition of NT, even from Leslie Fish. Her 'epic' prose poem on ST-TMP is yet another attempt to reconcile the events of that film. Told in Kirk's voice, it first appalls but finally convinces; how else could he have gotten Nogura to give him back the Enterprise in three minutes?

For Ray Newton fans there are two stories: one a sequel to Cardinal-Price's
' Possession' in NT 2 which ended with Spock killing Kirk using the Tantalus Field. Turns
 out he's less dead than we thought. It's the master/slave bit; if you like that premise
 you'll like this story, made extra brutal by taking place in the Mirror Universe.

The
 second long story is Newton's sequel to the author's own 'The Lorath' in NT 3. Back on 
the Enterprise and on the way to Vulcan, a public affirmation of the bonding made in Vulcan's past. Kirk and Spock are serenely unaware that one of them is in mortal danger. A religious fanatic among the security personnel tries to save the human's immortal soul 
from the corrupting alien. It's an interesting idea which Newton never really develops;
 Kirk and Spock don't learn of the religious opposition to their union and nothing much 
happens (except the usual).

Other sequels include one by Pamela Rose to her 'A Little knowledges' in NT3. A third story is promised in this series. The lead story in the zine, by Maggie Hart, is left hanging with a "To be continued..."

There is a seventeen-page 'humour' section; well, everyone has his own definition of humour; most of these pieces are not mine. However, my two favourites in the zine were in this section, one genuinely funny satirical piece by Mary A. Smith entitled 'The Story' and one quite endearing description of the trouble Kirk's impulsiveness and Spock's literal mind can cause, 'A Matter of the Heart' by Mary Alderidge is an affecting insight into the relationship in four all too short pages. If you need an excuse for reading K/S, this story provides it - it speaks to anyone who loves anything.

The artwork in this issue is uninspired and poorly reproduced, as is the printing. Words simply disappear on some pages, leaving one to guess what goes on in the white spot. There are seventeen pages of poetry, excluding Fish's epic and ten full-page illustrations.

All in all, not in my opinion, the quality of the material in previous issues. One hopes Part II will be an improvement. If you're being selective, you can give this a miss.

Issue 5 (aka Issue 4/5: Part Two)

cover of issue #5, Karen K. This issue may be a reprint as it is side stapled

back cover of Issue 5

flyer from T'hy'la #2, 1982, click to read

Naked Times 5 ("a.k.a. v. 4/5 part two") was published in December 1984 and contains 84 pages. Many fans had waited since 1981 or so, (over three years since they had paid for it) for the zine to arrive. For excerpts from the lengthy editorial, see Time Will Tell. Topics of the editorial included a proposed name change of the zine to "The Amok Time" as well as comments regarding the lateness and problems in this issue's printing. This long wait made MANY fans very angry. See comments below.

The original plan was for the zine to be printed at a copy shop. Instead, it was printed on a home photocopy machine, a "Royal 2502 copier stationed in editor's living room."

The front cover by Karen K. is a variation of the art used for Trek Continuum #2. The interior art is by Virginia Lee Smith and Caro Hedge.

The copyright statement:

NAKED TIMES is an amateur publication. All material COPYRIGHT c 1984 by the respective authors and artists. No portion of this publication many be produced by Xerox, mimeograph, spy cameras, handwriting or Sanskrit or any other form of reproduction (sexual, asexual or otherwise). Anyone caught attempting it will be persecuted beyond the realms of Human, Vulcan, Klingon or Romulan endurance.

This is an amateur publication. No intention is made to infringe upon the copyrights of Paramount, Gene Roddenberry, Desilu, Simon & Schuster, Bantam, or any other authorized holders of STAR TREK copyrights.

The zine's dedication:

NT5 is respectfully dedicated to Star Trek: to the truths it has show us; to the growth it has given us; to the enjoyment it has created; to the the reality it will one day be. Live long and prosper, my friend.

• Time Will Tell, editorial (addresses the lateness of this issue, future plans for content, a possible name change of the zine to "Amok Times," and another retelling of Van Hise's troubles at the printing shop regarding this issue) (2)
• To Erase Time's Scars by Alexis Fegan Black (4)
• The Tableau, poem by Crystal Ann Taylor (6)
• In Dreams Remembered by Julie Osborne (Spock enters his 2nd Pon Farr while still unbounded.) (7)
• First Thoughts, poem by Marilynn Mink (15)
• The War On Earth in Spring by Sharon F (16)
• Naked Before the Devil by Robin Hood, illos by Virginia Lee Smith (Desiring Spock, the ruler of a planet hold him and Kirk over night, ”allowing” them to be together one time before he takes Spock. This is the story of imprisonment on an alien world -- with Kirk being at the mercy of his truly alien captors. This is an exploration of Kirk's character in a slightly different way -- giving him room to grow, and perhaps enough reason to express those emotions which some fans think him incapable of expressing! A story of sacrifice and reunion, joy and sorrow.) (15 pages) (18)
• Sweet Dreams and Flying Machines, poem by Toni Cardinal-Price (34)
• In Pieces On the Ground, poem by Toni Cardinal-Price (35)
• And When the World Was Through, poem by Toni Cardinal-Price (Kirk tries to persuade Spock from going to Gol.) (35)
• Spirits in the Material World, poem by Dovya Blacque (36)
• All Ye Who Enter Here by Keith Donovan (Kirk is brainwashed into hating Spock, and their relationship as lovers, after being captured. Prequel: Double Vision. (Part IV of the OUTWORLD series which appeared in NT #1-#3. This installment finally delivers Kirk to the dreaded outworlds -- a series of asteroids perfect for the purpose of holding high-ranking Starfleet officers captive… officers who know too much… officers who do not always abide by the wishes of their superior officers who might one day find out about the existence of the Outworlds and destroy them once and for all. A K/S story with many different twists and turns… and a series of secrets which lead Kirk back to a childhood other than the one he once remembered.) (37)
• Counterpoint, poem by Diane Tessman (82)

• It's Only the Sun, poem by Natasha Solten (83)
• Writing Contest (84)

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Issue 4/5: Part Two's Beleaguered Printing and Massive Delays

Many fans waited well over three years for their copy of this zine to arrive. The publisher/editor cited the reasons for this were: the poor economy and lack of money, a born-again Christian who destroyed her zine at the print shop, boxes of zines that the post office refused to send to MediaWest*Con, personal issues...

From the editorial of A Question of Balance (1980):

NAKED TIMES will be an double ish from the looks of things right now, making it NT#4-5. Again, the reasons are numerous, not the least of which is that it'll have been nearly a year since NT#3 came out by the time NT#4-5 is ready, and I've got a lot of good material which should be in print instead of gathering dust on my shelf. By doing NT#4-5 as a part-mimeo/part-offset zine, I should be able to give you about 250+ pages for approximately the same price as it would have been for NT#4 if it was printed all offset and running about 150 pages. All artwork will be printed offset, however. Keep in mind also that NT#4-5 will be an experimental issue (due out in Winter of this year), and if enough people are really that hooked on the offset format and make it known, NT#6 will be back to the original format. As it stands now, there won't be a price-change for people who have pre-ordered NT#4. It'll count as a double-ish on subscriptions for people who have subscriptions extending through #5 and will be mailed 4th Class to people who ordered NT#4 as a single-copy.

From a personal statement in June 1982 to Universal Translator:

[The fifth issue] will be published, and mailed, in two segments... The first half is already printed, so no one needs to worry or panic that the money has been spent on other things. So go the rumors. Part II will be available as soon as the funds become available. Unfortunately advance orders haven't been sufficient to cover the cost of printing the entire zine, and rather than wait another year, I've decided to print it in sections. Not the best, obviously, but better than letting the rumors and accusations continue... As to the problem with xeroxes of back issues, I WILL NO LONGER BE OFFERING BACK ISSUES OF NAKED TIMES. It's become far too expensive, too time-consuming, and too long of a wait between printings.

From a letter in late September 1982 to K/S & K.S. (Kindred Spirits) #2:

First of all, I'd like to clear up some of the misunderstandings regarding NAKED TIMES and it's future. Essentially NTM 4/5 is late. Very late. Very very late. *Sigh* To make a long story short and spare you most of the gory details, suffice it to say that the past two years haven't been particularly "wonderful" for me — both financially and personally, And since fandom is a hobby (as well as a way of life!), I simply haven't had the time/energy/money to do the things I've wanted to get done. In the past, I've simply taken out loans to finance printing NAKED TIMES and STELLAR GAS. Unfortunately, what with the state of the economy, finance companies are no longer willing to shell out $3000 for what they consider a "Risk Venture". So, I've been attempting to print NTM4/5 in bits and pieces and so on. It's not been easy, but neither have I abandoned it, folks! In other words, I'm aware that a lot of folks out there have the feeling that I've absconded with the advance orders money and am now living in seclusion in the Bahamas. No such luck. I'm still sitting here in Southern California wondering how a reconstituted desert can attract so damned many people.

At any rate, I'm still working on all my proposed zines NAKED TIMES, KILLING TIME, and possibly an other issue of STELLAR GAS! I'm using advance order money for the printing, subsidizing the mailing with my own $$$, and hoping for the best. For the most part, the majority of fans have been more than understanding and patient, for which I'd like to thank you. I'm not gafiating. I'm not in the Bahamas. I do answer mail. I am not, however, responsible for letters lost in the mail. Recently I've heard from a few fans who stated that they've written to me several times and received no response. Let me repeat: I answer all letters that reach me. It may take a few weeks, usually more than a month! But I DO respond. Hint: you might get a faster response if you send a SASE!

But basically, I'm still involved in fandom and happy that way. I'm just sorry that so many problems have arisen, not the least of which was the fact that the box of NTH4/5 which was sent to MediaWest con was opened by the post office - "REFUSED FOR SHIPMENT" - and returned to me 2 days after the con had ended. As far as I knew, it was supposed to be there so, as Han said to everyone at one time another: "It isn't my fault!" Guess the old men who operate the mail-gobbler couldn't quite handle our K/S reality. So much for freedom of the press- So much for problems. 'Nuff said.

From Not Tonight, Spock! #2, spring 1984, comments by Della Van Hise:

NT4/5 Part II was dropped off at the printer quite some time ago. The printer moved. The printer now informs me that the originals as well as the printed copies have been "lost". All up-front money which I received had already been given to the printer but according lawyer, there's not much we can do at this point other than recoup the money and re-create the zine. In short, the printer can't be held responsible; and it's really irrelevant anyway. I have to re-type, re-create and re-print NT4/5 Part II at my own cost. Which means that I'm not in a position to give refunds at this time. We're fighting this through the system, but red tape takes a long time to cut. At any rate, the second half will be printed along with the above-mentioned zines, on or before July 15, 1984. If I'm able to recoup the money from the printer: great. If not, I'm printing it with my own money. The zines will be delivered, one way or the other!

In October 1984, Van Hise wrote to Datazine #32 stating that she had to completely re-do Naked Times #4/5 part two as her "born-again printer" had completely destroyed the original and the dummy copies after she had paid her bill in full:

It seems he overlooked that commandment about coveting and/or destroying his neighbor's property.

In May 1985, Della Van Hise wrote to Communicator:

As most of you may know by now, Pon Farr Press has recently purchased a xerox machine - which means that the printing will be done entirely by me in the future (with the possible exception of genzines and ultra-major print-jobs). The bad thing about that is that the machine is slower than"I would like. Which means that NT 4/5 Part II, and TIME OUT OF MIND are being sent out in small 'waves'. The machine is high-quality and provides an image barely distinguishable from the original in most cases - but it can only handle about 25 copies of each zine per week. So if you receive this and know of someone who is still waiting, please pass this information along. I hope to have all copies of NT4/5 Part II and TIME OUT OF MIND in the mail prior to March 30th if all goes well - though May 1st may be a more realistic date, depending on how many nervous breakdowns the machine and operator have during the course of production. At any rate, all back orders have now been filled, and I'm working on the final pre-orders of NT4/5 Part II and TIME OUT OF MIND.

Reactions and Reviews: Issue 5 (aka Issue 4/5: Part Two)

See reactions and reviews for Naked Before the Devil.

See reactions and reviews for To Ease Time's Scars.

See reactions and reviews for All Ye Who Enter Here.

See reactions and reviews for In Dreams Remembered.

1985:

Part 2 of this long-awaited zine is 81 pages long and in the UK comes as part of the complete, zine 'Naked Times 4/5.' Part 2 contains only 4 stories of more than two sides in length.

'To Ease Time's Scars' by Alexis P. Black is a 2 sided story, post Star Trek 5, It centres around Jim's concern for his relationship with Spock, now that he is a fugitive from the Federation. A gentle, pensive story which I would have liked to have seen developed into something longer.

'In Dreams Remembered' by July [sic] Osborne. This is an 8 sided pon farr story with a twist. The unbonded Spock enters pon farr and sinks into the coma of the plak tow which will end in his death. Jim needing to be with him and although realising that Spock cannot hear him pours cut his feelings, and pleads with Spock not to die. When Jim touches Spock he is drawn into a meld and together they succeed in ensuring that Spock will live. To disclose the twist might ruin someone's read, this is however an above average pon farr story. Extremely well written with believable reactions to events from the principle characters. Without a doubt the best story in this part of the zine.

'Naked Before the Devil', Robin Hood. In this 14 page story Kirk and Spock beam down to aeet a new race. They find a society in which sex is freely available and certain sections of the community appear to be slaves. Having drugged Spock, the ruler of the planet informs Kirk that he wants Spock and that although he (Kirk) can leave, Spock must remain behind. When Spock is informed of what is to befall him, he and Kirk make love. Both are rescued but not before Spock has been violated. However, the two work out the consequences of the act and come together. I found this story totally unconvincing. At the beginning of the story, it is not obvious that the two are not lovers, their behaviour indicated the opposite.... I cannot see Kirk thumping Spock on the bottom, and Spock allowing it, if they were not lovers. In addition, Kirk appears totally incapable of dealing with the situation on the planet, and Spock constantly interrupts and takes over. I can't see either of those two things happening. The printing of this story is in reduced format, but the page is only printed on in 2 of the 4 corners. I see no reason for this unless it is to extend what is already a 'slim' volume.

'All Ye Who Enter Here', Keith Donovan. Unfortunately this is Part 4 of a series of stories to be found in 'Naked Times' 1-3 and, in fact, is to be continued in 'Naked "Times 6'. As the story takes up over half the zine, 44 pages, and the story line is so advanced, it is difficult to review; especially as this section does not stand on its own. It is an action adventure K/S story concerning treachery and a Romulan invasion. Extremely well written with sub-plot on sub-plot. Unfortunately if you haven't read the previous 3 installments, then this part does not make sense.

In her review of 'Naked Times 4/5 Part 1", Kate Daniels complained about the standard printing. I must agree with her about Part 1. Part 2 is however of a higher standard, although both parts are xeroxed. Photos taken from both the series and the films have reproduced quite well and the cover of Part 2 by Karen K. is truly beautiful.

When I ordered N/T 4/5 in 1981 it cost $11.50. If ordered now, the price has risen to $21.00. Was the zine worth the wait? I would have to say no. If it had arrived in 1981, I might have been satisfied. I was less well read then and more easily satisfied. As it is today, I expect more for my money than the usual slave or pon farr story.

In addition, the zine as a whole (Pts.1&2) contains 5 stories that are either continuations from previous editions or to be continued in following ones. As a one-off buy, I would say no, if you've got N/T 1-5 and you collect sets then possibly yes. Finally, if you have ordered N/T 4/5 and it has not arrived yet, write to Delia, I did, that's possibly why mine arrived.

Issue 4/5 (Combined Later Issue)

The zine was, much later, published as a 220-page combined volume and used the cover by Mike Verina that was originally used on the first half of this zine.

Oddly, the publisher's website says the "original publication date" was 1983 , which is untrue. The original publication date of the first half was 1981 and the second half was late 1984.

Issue 6

front cover of issue #6, by Vel Jaeger

back of issue #6, Vel Jaeger

Naked Times 6 was published in April 1985 and has 109 pages. The front and back covers are by Vel Jaeger.

flyer for issue #6

The only interior art is a single illo on the inside back cover by Mahlon L. Fawcett (not credited in the table of contents). The rest of the interior decor is clip art and screen shots.

This issue was edited by Alexis Fegan Black.

The editorial discusses two major topics. First, was censorship of slash and fannish bickering, see Banned in Anaheim. The other part of the editorial is about the zine itself:

[excerpts from the editorial]:

Regarding future issues of NAKED TIMES Yes, I will continue to publish as long as there is a reasonable demand by the readers and a good flow of material from the writers. When I stop receiving good material, I'll stop publishing. Luckily, there is a wealth of new ideas, and many new people coming into K/S fandom at all times, so the possibilities of that seem slim at this point.

And yes, I am eagerly seeking submissions for NAKED TIMES 7 and 8 at this time. As most of you know, a writing contest was featured in NTS (aka NT4/5 Part II), and the winners will appear in NT7, along with a lot of new material from various writers. At this time, the tentative deadline is July 1, 1985 (though the deadline for the writing contest is June 1, 1985). I am looking for poetry, vignettes, stories, novels, and artwork. Artwork should be pen and ink only, though I will gladly consider printing half-tones if they are exceptional.

Most of you will notice that this issue of NAKED TIMES is noticably lacking in artwork. This isn't due to any "prejudice" on my part, but due to the fact that I'm working on a much tighter deadline with each issue, and it isn't always possible to get artwork in on time. Also, considering the problems I have had in the past, I am very reluctant to hold onto stories until the "next issue" for obvious reasons. But, after nearly 3 years of illness, I am very pleased to say that my health is completely restored, and I am hoping to publish approximately 2-3 issues of NAKED TIMES yearly. (Though with my other writing, this may not always be possible). Each issue will be sold separately only, as the days of subscriptions to NT are over. Fluctuating printing/production costs and issues of varying length make it impossible to do NT on a subscription basis. Those still holding bid subscriptions will be honored at no additional charge, but from now on, each issue will be sold as a "one-shot" only.

In this issue, I have tried to stress the positive angles of the K/S relationship. Somehow, I'm getting awfully tired of the s&m versions of K/S, as I feel this only adds fuel to the fire of people who are adamantly and publicly opposed to the concept. K/S is, to me anyway, a beautiful extension of a friendship which began nearly 20 years ago — and in my personal opinion, I think we writers, artists and editors have an obligation to uphold at least the idea that Kirk and Spock are friends! Sure, there are always variations, and stories just-for-fun, and stories when one or both must meet the Reaper. I'm not talking about that at all. What I'm talking about are the stories which seem to be written solely to humiliate the characters or to showcase a lot of sloppy emotions which just aren't part of the characters. (Yes, I know... there are always possibilities... and exceptions). I am not condemning these stories. Everything has its place. But my hope is to make NAKED TIMES a zine which stresses positive attitudes and ideas - I will consider any story which is submitted on the basis of its own merits, so please don't be "put off" by my opinions. Sometimes I just think that K/S writers should step back and look at their story objectively — or have a friend do it for them. Kinkiness is fine. Abuse and humiliation are another matter entirely.

• Banned in Anaheim, the editorial (2)
• Suntreader, poem by Robin Hood (4)
• The Lasonite Effect by Andrea Arat (Told in the 1st person, this delightful story details Kirk's "problems" as seen through Spock's eyes when the captain is taken captive and injected with massive amounts of an aphrodisiac. Just for fun, this is a delightful look into how Vulcans might view the human kind of pon farr…) (5)
• The Fire, poem by Andrea Arat (13)
• Acceptance, poem by Jimmye Galli (14)
• One Alone, poem by Bonnie Guyan (15)
• Our Love Defined, poem by Jimmye Galli (16)
• Prophecy by Robin Hood (On Vulcan it is said that to ignore prophecy is to invite danger. When Spock is called back to Vulcan, his personal wishes and mystical insight into the future create a schism between destiny and cultural pressures.) (17)
• His Smile, poem by Donna Rose Vanderlaan (20)
• Personal Log Entry, poem by Zetta M.A. Hopkins (21)
• Wings, poem by Robin Hood (22)
• Tender, Hidden by the Night by C. Diane Mamaril (Kirkʼs desire for Spock turns to guilt after Spock is abducted by slavers and, when rescued, they find he had been used as a sex slave.) (23)
• Interactions, poem by Bonnie Guyan (27)
• I Will Not Speak, poem by Donna Rose Vanderlaan (28)
• The Breaking, poem by Dovya Blacque (29)
• Level of Hell, poem by Natasha Solten (32)
• Touch of the Hand by Bonnie Guyan (Spock invites Kirk to a planet where women are kept separate and only visited for procreation and the men form relationships only with each other.) (33)
• Between Two..., poem by Zetta M.A. Hopkins (50)
• A Game For Routine Days by Sharon F (51)
• Remnants of Love, poem by Kathleen Resch (54)
• A Painful End in a Beautiful Relationship by Brendi Hobart (55)
• To Begin Again, poem by Jimmye Galli (59)
• Renewal, poem by Jimmye Galli (59)
• A Vulcan Eulogy, In Ni-Var by Linda Neel and Sharon F (60)
• Bleeding Heart, poem by Dovya Blacque (62)
• Time in a Bottle by Alexis Fegan Black (spelled "Blacque" in the table of contents) (What is this thing we humans call "Time"? Is it nothing more than an entity which feeds on Death, an entity which permits a few short years of life before snatching us too soon from the realms of the living? And, if so, is Time a bitch who can be beaten?) (63)
• The Bond, poem by Jenny Starr (72)
• For the First Time, poem by Donna Rose Vanderlaan (73)
• Invisible Trine, poem by Zetta M. A. Hopkins (74)
• Even Exchange, poem by Alexis Fegan Black (76)
• The Fallen by C. Diane Mamaril (After Spock dies in a shuttle crash, Kirk dreams, as he lays in a coma dying, of rejoining his bondmate. Prequel: Styx And Stones.) (77)
• Second Thoughts, poem by Jimmye Galli (80)
• Second Chance by Tracey Alexander (After the fal tor pan, Spock comes to Kirkʼs bed to learn the truth of their relationship.) (81)
• A Death and What Followed, poem by Kathleen Resch (86)
• Through This Endless Night by Alexis Fegan Black (A "fantasy" story set in the DREAMS OF THE SLEEPERS universe. This is an exploration of a gentle master and a slave who requires no bonds to prove his love and loyalties.) (87)
• Confessions of a Sleeper, poem by Diane Tessman (106)
• Songs of Human Childhood, poem by Jenny Starr (108)
• Songs of Vulcan Childhood, poem by Jenny Starr (108)
• The Unveiling, poem by Alexis Fegan Black (109)

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Reactions and Reviews: Issue 6

See reactions and reviews for Second Chance.

See reactions and reviews for Through This Endless Night.

See reactions and reviews for Prophecy.

See reactions and reviews for The Fallen.

See reactions and reviews for Tender, Hidden by the Night.

See reactions and reviews for Touch of the Hand.

See reactions and reviews for The Lasonite Effect.

See reactions and reviews for Time in a Bottle.

[zine]: One thing I like about NAKED TIMES Is that when I look for originality there, I often find it. NT6 Is certainly a good example of this. Most unusual was TOUCH OF THE HAND in which Spock takes Kirk to visit a culture where there is institutionalized homosexuality. What is interesting about the story is not the culture itself, but the portrayal of Spock as someone who recognized the homosexual element in himself and was comfortable with it long before the story began. Kirk on the other hand, hadnt even thought about the possibility of homosex. Usually, if either of the pair is well-versed in all modes of sexuality, it's Kirk. So that was an unexpected reversal. Yet I did find the ending too pat. The conflict between Kirk and Spock over homosexuality should not have been resolved so easily. It is common for writers in fandom to build stories around issues that are too big for the space of a short story. It really is a pity when this happens. TOUCH OF THE HAND had so much potential-There are two stories in the issue by Alexis Fegan Black. Of these, I liked THROUGH THIS ENDLESS NIGHT, a "Dreams of the Sleepers' universe story, best Kirk and Spock indulge In a master/slave fantasy in which the slave and master turn out to be equals. That is psychologically satisfying, yet for ingenuity, It clearly takes second place to a more recent AFB story called TO PROTECT AND TO SERVE (CHARISMA 1) in which the slave is also not what he seems; but the plot takes a truly unpredictable twist. Reading AFB's earlier work enables us to appreciate the growth of her skill and artistry more fully. The other AFB story is TIME IN A BOTTLE. Aside from the general philosophical approach, one thing that bothered me about the story Is the sexual hostility directed at Time. Time was seen as a woman and referred to as a "bitch". It seemed to me somewhat misogynous. Western culture predominantly personifies Time in masculine terms. The Greeks, for example, saw Time as Cronos, the devourer of his children. Then there is the Image of Father Time, who is very old and has a long white beard that trails on the ground. On the other hand, the Hindus see Time as Kali, a Mother Goddess who brings life to birth but also destroys it in an endless cycle. If you see Time as cyclic the way the Hindus do, death can be accepted calmly as a new beginning, but if like Kirk and Spock in this story, you take the Western perspective of Time as linear with death as an ending, then it is very difficult to accept death. In its refusal to face death, it is almost a prequel to YET SHALL HE LIVE (NAKED TIMES 3), a paean to physical immortality. I assume this story was written before we knew that Vulcans have katra, and have no more of a quarrel with Time than the Hindus. Yet without the knowledge of the existence of katras, the author in THE FALLEN, also in NT6, managed to take an optimistic view of the prospect of life after death In direct contrast to TIME IN A BOTTLE. I would have preferred to have seen Spock reassuring Kirk that there is no ending, rather than have to watch him play into Kirk's hostility toward death. The weakest story in the zine, however, was called TENDER, HIDDEN BY THE NIGHT. I always find it difficult to accept really major miscommuntcatlon between bondmates. Of course, there is shielding for privacy within the bond, but the idea that in the course of their relationship Kirk had never determined Spock's true attitude about sex is plain unbelievable. Surely they'd had sex while mentally linked at some time or other, the story just didn't work. Nevertheless, there is some really strong poetry In NT6. Most notable Is [Kathy Resch's] A DEATH AND WHAT FOLLOWED, a gut wrencher about Spock's reaction to Kirk's murder. BLEEDING HEART by Dovya Blacque and EVEN EXCHANGE by AFB are also excellent poems. So I recommend that you check out NAKED TIMES 6 if you want to see a zine with some thought-provoking material of quality.

Issue 7

front cover of issue #7, by Vel Jaeger

back of issue #7, Vel Jaeger

flyer for issue #7

Naked Times 7 was published in July 1985 and is 134 pages long. The front cover is by Vel Jaeger. Art by Vel Jaeger, Ellen Conway, Grish, Merle Decker, and Carol A. Pierce.

This issue was edited by Alexis Fegan Black.

"Naked Times #7 is is dedicated to the concept of IDIC — the infinity of life in this universe, whether seen or imagined — and how those lifeforms combine to create harmony and new understanding. Without those differences, we would all be very much the same... but it is the differences which lend balance to a chaotic and often confusing universe."

[from the editorial]:

My "editorial policy". Recently a few fans have asked about the specific editorial policy of NAKED TIMES.. Basically, the only "rule" is that I will not accept a story which I consider to be degrading to one or more of the characters. That s a very broad statement, which lends itself to a very broad editorial range. My only main "no-no are stories which seem to be written in a contrived, unbelievable fashion, for the sole purpose of throwing the characters into an unrealistic scenario. My main advice to writers of any type of Star Trek fiction would be to remember the words of The Great Bird himself: believability is the key to good writing. In my opinion, any story or scenario can be made believable if the writer is willing to work on the premise and the background information. Many times, writers get in a hurry to finish their story or to "get to the good parts" (whatever those may be), and the end result is that the story suffers because of impatience. So, if you're working on a story, try to remember that most situa tions need a reason. In other words , don't set your characters down on a planet in the middle of a civil war without some explanation as to why those characters are there. Background information can become one of the most important elements of writing -- and I feel that if it's tightly explained (or strongly insinuated), then the story has a more "real" feeling, the characters take on life, and any scenario can become believable as a result. Anyway... I just wanted to clear that up for the writers who have asked. The only other bit of advice I have as far as writing goes is with dialooue — particularly where Kirk and Spock are concerned. I recommend that writers say the dialogue aloud if necessary. (I know, I know, the men in the white coats can get you for that, but sometimes it's worth the risk...)

When saying the words aloud, if you really can't hear those same words coming from the mouth of K or S or whoever, maybe a rewrite is in order. (For example, I can't really hear Spock saying, "But Jim, I don't wanna go on shore leave again.")

So, all in all, I consider each story on its own merit — for believability, content, storyline and writing skills. I prefer stories with a positive slant, stories which show the "Star Trek ideals" within the rela tionship of the characters. But I'll read and consider any story so long as it's believable. I enjoy work ing with new writers, established K/S writers, and anyone who has a genuine desire to further K/S in a positive manner.

Other than that, I really don't have much to say this time around. I do feel that NAKED TIMES #7 is getting back to the "feel" of the earlier issues, and for that I would like to thank the contributors once again. I hope to keep improving on NAKED TIMES with each issue — through the addition of more artwork, unusual stories and a few new approaches from time to time. If anyone has any suggestions or comments, please feel free to let me know.

• Editorial by Alexis Fegan Black (3)
• Subdivision of Shadows, poem by Keith Donovan (5)
• A Man for All Seasons, poem by Robin Hood (6)
• Snow Meld by Elwyn Conway (When Kirk and Spock are stranded on a planet entering its ice age, a finicky transporter gives them time to think of their past, of the feelings long-hidden… and of a future which might never exist.) (7)
• Time in a Bottle, poem by Robin Hood (10)
• If I Hadn't Tried, poem by Marry Woodruff (11)
• And Pieces on the Ground, poem by Dovya Blacque (12)
• Thoughts Out of Sync, poem by Tere Roderick (13)
• Wall of Ice, poem by Rachel Abbot (14)
• Dark Watches, poem by Rachel Abbot (14)
• Wild Ocean by Robin Hood (Admiral Kirkʼs mind is invaded by an unknown entity but when he and Spock meld to fight it off, they find that they will need a full mate-bond in order to be successful.) (15)
• Kirk 2: The Storm, poem by Andrea Arat (23)
• The Face in the Crowd, poem by Donna Rose Vanderlaan (24)
• Will I Never?, poem by Donna Rose Vanderlaan (24)
• A Tribute to Friendship by Joann Marek (Since the completion of the Fal Tor Pan it is McCoy who has seemed to crumble. He is withdrawn within himself, confiding in no one. Spock is aware of the doctor's pain and takes the opportunity to follow him to the ceremonial place of the Fal Tor Pan to offer aid. Their long conversation reviews much of their past relationship before Spock insists the doctor face his own pain.) (25)
• Shadow & Sun, poem by Robin Hood (35)
• The Lion, The Fox & The Beast, poem by Robin Hood (35)
• Found Chord, poem by D. Booker (36)
• To Serve by A.T. Bush (A slave story with a different slant. A glimpse into Kirk's ability to bargain with the devil, and into the devil's ability to command a fallen star.) (37)
• Mirror Duet, poem by Rachel Abbot (60)
• Mischief, poem by Alexis Fegan Black (61)
• Dragon's Lair, poem by Robin Hood (62)
• One Alone: San Francisco, poem by Dovya Blacque (64)
• One Alone: Gol, poem by Dovya Blacque (65)
• Something Stupid, poem by Donna Rose Vanderlaan (66)
• An Act of Salvation by Jenny Starr (After Spock's return from Death, he and Kirk must spend several weeks with the healers on Vulcan. A delightful story with thought-provoking ideas and new slants on Sarek, Kirk, Spock, etc.) (67)
• Fever Dream by Kathleen Resch (35 page story) (102)
• Past, Present... and Always by Alexis Fegan Black (This story begins with a young Jim Kirk visiting a fortune teller at a traveling carnival in his home town. She makes several predictions… one of which a brash young man dismisses, perhaps because it does not coincide with his own images of a starship commander. But time wears on and Madame Cassandra's predictions begin to take on an uncanny reality… until the day that Kirk's first officer innocently suggests passing a day of shore leave at a circus with oddly familiar tents and creatures…) (103)
• Wild Shore, poem by Natasha Solten (132)
• Thoughts of a New Being, poem by Tere Roderick (133)
• Binary Sons, poem by Alexis Fegan Black (134)

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  inside page from issue #7, frontispiece, unknown artist

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  inside page from issue #7, Ellen Conway -- kira-nerys said: "I'm plowing through Naked Times 7 right now and there's an illo in that one that's got me lyrical. It goes with a story called "Snow Meld" and it's just beautiful and so intense. Yummy."

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  inside page from issue #7, Carol A. Pierce

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  inside page from issue #7, Carol A. Pierce

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  inside page from issue #7, Merle Decker

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  inside page from issue #7, Carol A. Pierce

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  inside page from issue #7, Carol A. Pierce

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  inside page from issue #7, inside back cover by Grish

Reactions and Reviews: Issue 7

See reactions and reviews for To Serve.

See reactions and reviews for An Act of Salvation.

See reactions and reviews for A Tribute to Friendship.

See reactions and reviews for Wild Ocean.

See reactions and reviews for Past, Present... and Always.

See reactions and reviews for Snow Meld.

[zine]: This is the best NAKED TIMES since #3 which, in my book, is a classic. #7 is 134 pages of fiction, poetry and art, beginning with the covers which are by Jaeger and are examples of her work at its best. Sprinkled throughout the zine are poems by many of the best poets in K/S. All are enjoyable, all contribute to the overall feeling of care and pride which permeates #7, a pride which stems from the tender attention of the editor and her contributors. The first story, SNOW MELD is unusual for the author in that it is a very short piece. Kirk and Spock are plunged once again into a situation which quickly gets out of cpntrol. They beam down to an ice-age planet and the transporter promptly breaks down, leaving them stranded. While this is far from an unique or new idea, the treatment is quite superb. AND PIECES ON THE GROUND/THOUGHTS OUT OF SYNC by Dovay Blacque and Tere Ann Roderick respectively, are poems centered in the universe created by the editor in "Dreams of the Sleepers" and are a tribute to the author of "DOTS". Both poems are moving reflections of the pain, frustration and love conveyed in "DOTS"... and of how two talented souls were deeply touched. WILD OCEAN by Robin Hood shows a nice relationship between Kirk and Spock even though the plot is weak and is an obvious contrivance to get the boys into each other's arms. A FACE IN THE CROWD by Donna Rose Vanderlaan is a poem that, despite the constant shift in tense, is a most moving moment set to prose. A TRIBUTE TO FRIENDSHIP by Joann Marek is basically a "coming to terms" story between Spock and McCoy at ST: TSFS. Though I am usually partial to warm scenes between Spock and McCoy, I found this story a bit on the sentimental side when it came to the actual confrontation between the two men and in Spock's narration. I also think the author would be best advised to stay away from writing in first person as her writing came across as so important that her characters and plot suffered for it. TO SERVE by AT Bush is the winner of NAKED TIMES writing contest #2. This is an "alternate universe-pon farr story with a twist on the usual treatment of the slave/master scenario. Both Kirk and Spock come through difficult, emotionally striping conditions with respect and affection for one another while retaining their self-respect as well. This is an enjoyable story,a logical possibility. DRAGON'S LAIR by Robin Hood is a lovely rumination from Spock perfectly set against a beautiful Merle Decker drawing. ONE ALONE: SAN FRANCISCO/ONE ALONE: GOL by Dovya Blacque are two poems nicely juxtaposed to present the thoughts of Kirk and Spock during the period between the end of the series and ST:TMP. Interesting imagry. AN ACT OF SALVATION by Jenny Starr is the winner of NAKED TIMES writing contest #1. This is an excellently written, plotted and executed treatment of what might happen after ST:TSFS. Kirk and Spock travel to a Vulcan retreat, accompanied by McCoy, to heal from the events which took place in ST 2 and 3. Kirk is there to help Spock regain his memories and to clearify his soul. Through a series of mind melds we see the two of them draw closer to each other, closer to an understanding of each other than they have ever had. The atmosphere surrounding them, both physical and emotional, is woven poetically into the test in such a way that the very place becomes real in one's mind. The ending, which was the paragraph presented in the original contest, is simply wonderful. Jenny Starr is one the best writers to come to K/S in years. PAST, PRESENT...AND ALWAYS by Alexis Fegan Black begins with Jim Kirk as a child running into a fortuneteller at a circus and takes us through the adult Kirk running into the same fortuneteller years later, seeing her predictions become reality. This is a fun, mystical, intriguing tale of fate and self-fulfilled destiny in the author's usual style which invokes wonder and depicts tender intimacy at the same time. This is one of Alexis' best stories this side of "Dreams Of The Sleepers". The entire zine is worth the price for this one story.

[zine]: First of all, this zine was very easy on my eyes, since it was printed on soft-tone buff paper. Though the print is small, it is clear and readable. "Snow Meld," by Elwyn Conway, is well done, in Elwyn's usual great style. I always enjoy her work. There is an illo here that is nice, too. I did not see a name for the artist, so I'm assuming that Elwyn did this as well. Kirk and Spock are stranded on a cold and icy planet. When they huddle close for warmth, they must face their feelings for each other. The ending is very nice. In 'Wild Ocean," by Robin Hood, Kirk is being attacked by an alien, non-material presence and Spock must save him, using a bond to join their strengths. I was very touched by Joann Marek's "A Tribute to Friendship." McCoy is suffering from memories of lost love and the pain that goes with it. Spock notices and wants to help. As the two begin to talk, they open up to each other, telling truths they had hidden for years, including those about their sharing of consciousness when McCoy carried Spock's katra. A very moving story. "An Act of Salvation", by Jenny Starr, is the contest winner, and I certainly see why. Jenny did an incredible job. Spock's fal-tor-pan has left him blank and he must regain his memories. With the help of the healers, Kirk, McCoy, and his parents, Spoek slowly regains these memories and himself. Spock's turmoil, great frustration, and pain at being "empty" are keenly clear. I found myself crying for him, for his obvious pain and feeling of total isolation. This is my favorite story in the zine. Very, very touching. "Past, Present, and Always," by Alexis Fegan Black, is another favorite. This very unusual story begins with Kirk as a young boy at a circus. He and his friend go to a fortune teller, who tells Kirk of his future and the special soul-twin that he will meet. The story unfolds with mystery, sensitivity, and some real psychological truths. I really enjoyed this and read it twice. I can't discuss the wonderful poetry here, for it would take pages... Jaeger has contributed an interesting cover.

Issue 8

front cover of issue #8, by Marilyn Cole, titled "Wizard" when it was included in The K/S Art Project

back cover of issue #8, by Carol Pierce: "The pointillist technique that Carol uses is very effective in rendering this crouching shadowy beast-like image of Spock. It gives the illo a vague, dreamy quality that is haunting. It is evident that this Spock has been marooned alone for some time, and it's possible that he is in pon-farr. His facial expression reminds me of a feral cat, and I can't decide whether it's madness or fear in this wild Vulcan's eyes. They definitely warn us to come no closer, but who could leave such a Spock behind on a barren world? He is unforgettable."

original art, front cover, "Arthur and Merlin"

inside back cover of issue #8, Carol Pierce

flyer for issue #8

Naked Times 8 was published in November 1985 and has 142 pages. The front cover is by Marilyn Cole and the back cover is by Carol Pierce. Art by Marilyn Cole, Carol Pierce, Vel Jaeger, Ralph Fowler, Dragon, Elwyn Conway, Merle Decker, Gayle F, and Ann Crouch.

This issue was edited by Alexis Fegan Black.

Like some fanzines of that era, it was published without the pre-1989 required copyright notices and may have fallen into the public domain.

• It's a Jungle Out There, editorial (The editor expresses her displeasure at hearing rumors TPTB have written Saavik being pregnant by Spock as well as the troubles with Killing Time. She ends by urging fans to write Paramount and tell the producers/studio what they really want to see in the movies. An excerpt:

  On other more "general" TREK news, I'd like to ramble around about the recent censorship of a certain STAR TREK novel. In case there's anybody out there who hasn't heard, KILLING TIME was temporarily out of circulation because of a mix-up at the printing end. Apparently the wrong version of the manuscript was inadvertently put into print — which resulted in one hell of a hullabaloo at Paramount and Pocket Books when the error was discovered. According to rumors (from an extremely reliable source), the book was pulled out of circulation for awhile because it allegedly "alluded to the possibility of a homosexual relationship between Kirk and Spock". Gasp! Who would have believed it! Who would believe it ! I've read the book myself (about a dozen times…), and from my own personal standpoint, there's nothing vaguely resembling a Kirk/Spock relationship anywhere in the book, unless, of course, we begin to suspect the dear boys because of their friendship. At which point, we'd better start suspecting every male on the face of the Earth (or other world) who has a close male friend. I've also heard from a hell of a lot of K/S fans who say they've looked for K/S and can't find it, so... I think the David Gerrold's of the world have made a lasting impression on the powers that be at Paramount… Now… I also have it on good authority that some rabid anti-K/S activist is responsible for about 99.9% of all the hassle with Killing Time. Some people make it their business to send fanzines to Paramount.

• Sensation, poem by D. Booker (5)
• Dust, poem by Robin Hood (6)
• The No-Po-Et, poem by Bonnie Guyan (8)
• Fantasies by Kathy Resch (Certainly, a dream had caused this. Perhaps Spock had thought of cool water and, in his enormous need, an enormous quantity had been created. He had so little control left. Bits and pieces of visions paraded across the sky, upon the ground, around him. Zarabeth's gray eyes, proud breasts flaunting themselves before him; Leila's cool blondeness, the Romulan Commander's emeralds lips… Yet the visions vanished in fragments, torn pieces blow away in the wind…) (9)
• Look at You, poem by Bonnie Guyan (17)
• Discoveries, poem by D. Booker (18)
• Reverie, poem by D. Booker (20)
• Always Tomorrow by Donna Rose Vanderlaan (Because Spock is unable to raise his mental shields after the fal tor pan, the healers, upset by Kirk and Spockʼs lovemaking, build ones that are too strong.) (21)
• Zombie, poem by Robin Hood (46)
• A Father's Dilemma, poem by JoAnn Marek (48)
• Loneliness Has a Companion by Robin Hood (Kirk confides to Spock about his own loneliness after leaving Cochrane on the Companionʼs planet.) (51)
• 2408.9: Earth, poem by Donna Rose Vanderlaan (63)
• 2408.9: Vulcan, poem by Donna Rose Vanderlaan (63)
• Night Fires, Night Music, Night Mare, poem by D. Booker (64)
• Night Watch, poem by D. Booker (65)
• Who Holds Your Heart, poem by Tere Roderick (66)
• Just a Touch of Imagination by Jenny Starr (Stuck in a cell awaiting rescue, Kirk takes Spock on a fantasy to pass the time. "Spock, are you trying to tell me you don't have an imagination?" "I am attempting to tell you, Captain, that 'imagination' is contrary to the laws of logic. And logic tells me that the temperature of these stones upon which we are sitting is not conducive to--" "I've got an idea. We'll weave some fantasies for each other." "'Weave'?" "Fantasies, my dear Mr. Spock. Fantasies." "I do not understand…") (67)
• Waiting for Summer, poem by Alexis Fegan Black (77)
• Uhura's Insight, poem by Shaal (78)
• Planetfall, poem by Syreta Knight (80)
• Captured by A.T. Bush (Kirk is arrested on Vulcan after the fal tor pan by what turn out to be Orion slavers.) (81)
• Magic, poem by Tere Roderick (85)
• Flesh and Blood, poem by Tere Roderick (86)
• Shadow World, Alpha State, The Shadow, poem by Rachel Abbot (86)
• The Singer, poem by Robin Hood (88)
• Triad by Elwyn Conway and Suzette Therese (Chapel is upset when Spock approaches and then kisses her but breaks off when he realizes that his affection is really for another. Sequel: Epilogue To Triad.)
• Triad Epilogue by Elwyn Conway (Meeting in the garden, Kirk and Spock discover their love for one another. Prequel: Triad.)
• The Waiting by Alexis Fegan Black (Set in the DotS universe.) (112)
• The Sleeper by Wendy Rathbone (Set in the DotS universe.) (114)
• Last Night by Keith Donovan (Set in the DotS universe.) (115)
• Threads of Blue by Faris Vincent (Set in the DotS universe.) (116)
• Progress by Diane Tessman (Kirk frets for the one place he can still hold on to. Set in the DotS universe.) (118)
• Winter Storm by Alexis Fegan Black (Spock contemplates his life with Kirk within their astral state. Set in the DotS universe.) (120)
• Gene's Vision by Shaal (122)
• In the Eye of the Storm by Alexis Fegan Black (GEN After the fal tor pan, Spock expresses what he felt while his katra resided within McCoy.) (123)
• Day for Night by Alexis Fegan Black (Kirk jumped, damming himself for the melancholy and preoccupation with the past. Isn't that the way it's supposed to be, Jim, old boy? a nagging thought whispered. When you start getting old, you're expected to surround yourself with antiques and tell the same stories over and over. You're well on your way, now aren't you? His eyes closed, and he gave himself a mental command to let it go. Looking to Spock, he managed a weak smile, grateful to have the Vulcan's company during this time when things were so much closer to the end that the beginning…) (127)
• Creation, poem by Syreta Knight (142)

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  inside art from issue #8, Marilyn Cole

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  inside art from issue #8, Vel Jaeger

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  inside art from issue #8, Ann Crouch

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  inside art from issue #8, Ralph Fowler

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  inside art from issue #8, Elywn Conway

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  inside art from issue #8, Gayle F

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  inside art from issue #8, Merle Decker

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  inside art from issue #8, Dragon

Reactions and Reviews: Issue 8

See reactions and reviews for Day for Night.

See reactions and reviews for Fantasies.

See reactions and reviews for Just a Touch of Imagination.

See reactions and reviews for Always Tomorrow.

See reactions and reviews for Loneliness Has a Companion.

See reactions and reviews for Captured.

See reactions and reviews for Triad.

See reactions and reviews for Triad Epilogue.

See reactions and reviews for Progress.

See reactions and reviews for Winter Storm.

See reactions and reviews for In the Eye of the Storm.

[zine]: NAKED TIMES 8 has the best cover (by Marilyn Cole) since Pat Stall's cover for NT 2. It's a beautiful rendition of Kirk and Spock in the guises of King Arthur and Merlin. My two favorite stories were also illustrated by Marilyn Cole. "Fantasies," by [Kathy Resch], is a lovely story of Spock on the Shore Leave planet trying to deal with pon farr by conjuring up a fantasy lover to see him through his Time. As a K/S reader, I was completely unsurprised by the premise, or by his last fantasy, though Spock seemed to be. Even though the story was predictable, it was so well written and presented from such a point of view that this turned out to be a wonderfully unique, highly satisfying story. "Day for Night," by Alexis Fegan Black, takes a theme I've grown unbearably sick of — Kirk's 'old age' — and turned it into a hopeful, charming story. Through wishes and desires for things usually unattainable — and with the help of a little Vulcan 'magic' — Kirk and Spock realize that 'old age' is not as ineveitable as many think it is. As usual, Alexis' writing is impeccable; her story highly enjoyable. "Always Tomorrow," by Donna Rose Vanderlaan, left me feeling angry and as though someone had 'jerked my chain' — led me up a path and not given me reward. Yet, it has its moments and it is competently written. Whatever else I can say, the story of Spock's recovery after Fal Tor Pan, and the subsequent interference 'on his behalf by Sarek, affected me. In that respect, the story is very successful. I simply found myself disagreeing with the author's view of Vulcan's and her solution to the problem presented. "Loneliness has a Companion," by Robin Hood, is a simple little story of how Kirk's run in with Zephram Cochrane and the Companion gets him thinking about the myriad possibilities in the universe. He and Spock talk about it and one thing leads to another. Some nice moments between the two and some rather interesting comments by Spock. A nice story. I'm not sure "Just a Touch of Imagination," by Jenny Starr, qualifies as a story, but, whatever it is, I like it. Jenny takes the general theme of Kiss of the Spider Woman, places Kirk and Spock in the lead roles, and lets her, and their, imagination go. A cute idea, well executed. "Captured," by A.T. Bush, was intended as an entry in the writing contest in NAKED TIMES 7 but was held over for #8 due to room ... or lack of it. This is a strange and unique solution to the premise set by the contest; an answer to how Kirk and crew escape the Starfleet Security guards sent to take them back to Earth for trial. "Triad," by Suzette Therese & Elwyn Conway, brings Spock and Christine Chapel as close to 'getting together' as I've ever seen — especially in a K/S zine — without really getting them there. The authors' depiction of Chapel is very convincing. No wimpy, whining, helpless female Christine in this story! Chris is a fully capable, very mature woman who handles the realization of where Spock's affections truly lie with admirable calmness and a sense of resigned inevitability. "Epilogue," an afterword to "Triad" by Elwyn Conway, is a nice follow-up to the previous story. In this one, we get to watch as Kirk and Spock come to terms with the same realization that Christine came to in "Triad." "In the Eye of the Storm," by Faris Vincent, is an uncomplicated view of Kirk, Spock, and McCoy recovering from the events of ST 3 while on shore leave together. This is more a mood piece than a story, well written and warm, conveying an atmosphere of friendship and love. The outstanding feature of NAKED TIMES 8 is a section devoted to the DREAMS OF THE SLEEPERS universe. There are some very insightful poems by Alexis Fegan Black (author of DREAMS) as well as Wendy Rathbone, Keith Donovan, Faris Vincent, and Shaal, along with two vignettes by Diane Tessman and Alexis Fegan Black. I was especially moved by "The Sleeper," by Rathbone, and "Last Night," by Donovan. Illustrations by Merle Decker, [Gayle F], and Dragon accompany this section that can be enjoyed even is you haven't read DOTS or THE FIFTH HOUR OF NIGHT, part two of the story. Other contributions to NAKED TIMES 8 include poetry by D. Booker, Robin Hood, Bonnie Guyan, Syreta Knight, and two very beautiful poems by Tere Ann Roderick. Additional artists include Carole Pierce, Vel Jaeger, Elwyn Conroy, and Ann Crouch. This edition of NAKED TIMES even outdoes #7 . . . which I thought outdid the previous two by 100 miles. Highly recommended.

Issue 9

front cover of issue #9, by Marilyn Cole

back cover of issue #9, Cole?

front cover of issue #9, copy

flyer for issue #9

Naked Times 9 was published in March 1986 and has 165 pages. The publisher says it is the Special Metaphysical issue. The front cover is by Marilyn Cole.

This issue was edited by Alexis Fegan Black.

The front cover is by Marilyn Cole. Other art by Carol Pierce, Dragon, Vel Jaeger, Shellie While, Jacqueline Zoost, Ann Crouch, Gayle F. Merle Decker.

From the editorial:

Is it my imagination, or didn't NT#8 just come out? Actually, I didn't expect to have NAKED TIMES #9 in print until at least April — and though it is early March as I write this, I must admit to some surprise as to having the zine not only out on time, but actually about a month early! I would like to thank all the ii writers and artists who made this possible — it's very much appreciated.

As most of you already know, NAKED TIMES #9 — A TOUCH OF MYSTICISM, is a special issue, in that it is slanted toward an exploration of the mystical and spiritual angles of the K/S relationship. I am very pleased with every submission I received for this special, issue, and simply wish I had had the room to include everything I received. I will be doing an "overflow" of some of the stories in NT#10 — along with the WRITING CONTEST! (See details in the back of this is sue!). Also, thanks to [Gayle F]for her lovely inspirational illo which will serve as the backdrop for the NT#10 contest. Special prizes, all writers welcome! i; Regarding the stories In this issue, I believe they are all very special in their own way, and I hope everyone will find them as enjoyable as I have. When tryinc to do an exploration into the mystical, it's often difficult to know what to include. In editing this special issue, I have tried to have a mixture — some stories deal ing with dreams, others with reincarnation, others with time displacement and twin selves, and still others dealing with telepathic compulsions and inexplicable links. And, yes, there's even one story dealing with a 20th Century actor who finds himself faced with a 23rd century "fictional character". I would especially like to thank Arlan Symons for her insight into this, and for her courage to write the story. It's something we've all probably thought about... and I hope the readers will take this story in the spirit of I DIG in which it is intended. And, just for the record, since several proof readers and members of the editorial staff have asked: ^k), I am not Arlan! I normally wouldn't mention this, but for the sake of clarity and in fairness to Ms. Symons, I wanted that to be clarified. Again, Arian, thanks for a very thought-provoking insight!

On other matters of NAKED TIMES #9, I would also like to thank all the writers who have submitted poetry for the DREAMS OF THE SLEEPERS universe. At this point, it has been suggested that I do a collection of various stories and poems set in this universe and publish them in a separate zine. I would very much like to do this for several reasons, and am interested in putting out "the word" that A COLLECTION OF DREAMS is now open for submissions. I would love to see stories, poetry, vignettes and artwork set in the DOTS Universe — and I'm very honored and flattered that so many wonderful writers have been inspired to work within that framework. As most of you know, THE FIFTH HOUR OF NIGHT (Part II of DOTS) is now in print; and the (hopefully) final novel in the series will be written later this year. So... my only request is that any submissions be set somewhere within the timeframe of DOTS or TFHON. The stories can be part of their fantasies, or can be set in the 20th Century reality which K & S inhabit in the DOTS universe. The only request I have is that no stories are written which "free" the characters, as this is obviously something I need to consider in the future novel(s). So... I'd be very interested in seeing submissions. At this point, no specific deadline Is In effect, though I hope to have the zine in print around the latter part of this year. Again, thanks to everyone who has taken ah interest in this universe. I'm honored, flattered and overwhelmed.

So... has everyone heard that STIV deals with time travel? From the rumors I'm hearing, the renegade crew of the ex-Enterprise travel back to the 20th Century where they become involved in various adventures. Hmmm. Also, it's confirmed that Paramount was looking for "an all-American girl to play a major love interest In STIV". I also hear that whales are involved in the plot, so let's hope that the "major love interest" turns out to be between the Ail-American Girl and the whale next door. *Sigh* A lot of the filming is being done on location in San Francisco, San Diego, and of course, in Los Angeles.

For NAKED TIMES #10, I am, of course, counting on the writing contest to provide a majority of the submissions. However, keep in mind that other stories are greedily accepted so your submission for #10 need not be based on the writing contest to qualify or publication. And for NT#11, I am considering doing another "special issue" based on time travel and/or alternate universe. Specifically, I would like NT#11 to reflect Kirk and Spock in various time periods and in various "guises". I will consider slave stories and Mirror universe stories, though I request that no explicit violence be inherent in the plot of the story itself. As always, I want to keep NAKED TIMES as loving and gentle as possible. No rape stories, please! At this point, the "slant" of NT#11 is purely tentative. If enough interest is shown, I'd love to do it. If not, NT#11 will follow the usual guidelines.

• Editorial (3)
• Primitive Rite, poem by Tere Ann Roderick (5)
• Unseen Presence, poem by Natasha Solten (6)
• Twice Met by Jenny Starr (The day Kirk takes command of the Enterprise he meets his Vulcan science officer, someone he had met 16 years before as he was making the decision that would decide his lifeʼs path.) (7)
• Worlds Without End by Alta (14)
• Dreams of the Sleeper Poetry
  • Window (for a Dreamer) by Tere Ann Roderick (17)
  • Snow Dreams by Dove Blacque (17)
  • Time Scorned by Robin Hood (17)
  • The Awakening by Wendy Rathbone (17)
  • Storm Lord by Keith Donovan (21)
  • Astral Birth by Alexis Megan Black (22)
  • Double Star by Linda Frankel (22)
  • Foreshadow by Linda Frankel (25)
  • Where? by Keith Donovan (25)
• Le Immortal: Arthur, poem by Dovya Blacque (26)
• The Color of Love by Donna Rose Vanderlaan (A sensitive to auras is on the Enterprise and perceives the colors of love emanating between Kirk and Spock even though neither are aware of it.) (28)
• Shield, poem by Andrea Arat (31)
• Somniloquy [sic], poem by Tere Ann Roderick (32)
• A Night of Sharing by Donna Rose Vanderlaan (On Christmas Eve, Spock apprears to McCoy and helps him through his depression but when McCoy goes to the cabin Spock shares with his bondmate, Kirk tells McCoy that Spock has been there all night. Another summary: It is the Christmas holiday season and a time of painful memories and loneliness far Leonard McCoy. Locked in his cabin one evening, his depression reaches the point of suicide when Spock is suddenly in the room with him. The conversation they share that evening returns the Doctor's will to live.) (33)
• Portrait of Love, poem by Robin Hood (41)
• Rest in Peace, All Sons, poem by Patricia Frazer Lamb (42)
• Too Late, poem by Alta (44)
• Manderlay, poem by Robin Hood (46)
• Shadows in the Rain by Arlan Symons in which a strange mental connection develops between Spock and a human who looks remarkably like him… a human who claims to be an actor playing the part of an alien named… Spock… (This is a very early RPS and was extremely controversial.) (47)
• Mirrors Never Lie, poem by Robin Hood (71)
• Recorded Message, poem by Carol A. Pierce (73)
• Bequeathed by Carol A. Pierce ("You claim to be able to prove the existence of reincarnation," Spock began. "To the point and quite honestly," the Seeress said, "I claim only what is. I have proven reincarnation as a means of growth for all beings. Each being is a composite, Spock, a result of all they have been or will be…") (73)
• Molten Heart, poem by Tere Ann Roderick (96)
• The Stuff of Dreams by Elwyn Conway (While on shoreleave, Kirk buys a pillow that is supposed to show you your one true love and when he dreams, he dreams of Spock. "The contents of this silken sachet, good sir," whispered the merchant as though imparting a closely guarded secret, "come from the high hills of a planet deep in the Romulan sector -- a planet which, alas," he sighed dramatically for effect; Kirk could not help admiring his sales pitch, "is no more." He shook his head sadly. "Sun went nova?" Kirk asked skeptically. He had heard a few similar sales pitches in his tine. They were generally the precursor's of a hefty price tag. "How did you know?" The merchant sounded startled.") (97)
• Sonnet Sequence: Fated Love, poem by Sharon F (112)
• Meanings by Angel C. Soie (After an accident on the Koboyashi simulator Kirk begins to have feelings of apprehension for his lover, Spock.) (113)
• Page to Page, poem by Natasha Solten (116)
• Quietly in the Night by Andrea Arat (Kirk goes to Gol to try and persuade Spock to return to him after a year apart.) (117)
• Time and Space Together, poem by Donna Rose Vanderlaan (130)
• On Starry Nights, poem by Jo Ann Sides (132)
• Doppleganger by Alexis Fegan Black (Kirk is visited by a Spock of the future who has come to warn him to keep the present day Spock from going to Gol and to not accept the promotion to the Admiralty or both of them are doomed. "The pseudo-Spock sighed, causing Kirk to meet the penetrating black eyes framed by shoulder-length hair. "You must not accept the promotion to the admiralty." Kirk blinked. "Wh-what?" The doppelganger inclined his head. "As I am from the future, I have access to certain… knowledge," he stated quietly. "Knowledge… about the future," Kirk said to himself. "About the way things… our lives… will happen…") (135)
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Reactions and Reviews: Issue 9

See reactions and reviews for Shadows in the Rain.

See reactions and reviews for Doppleganger.

See reactions and reviews for Bequeathed.

See reactions and reviews for The Stuff of Dreams.

See reactions and reviews for Twice Met.

See reactions and reviews for The Color of Love.

See reactions and reviews for Quietly in the Night.

See reactions and reviews for A Night of Sharing.

See reactions and reviews for Meanings.

[zine]: This issue is subtitled "A Touch Of Mysticism" and, from the front cover by Marilyn Cole printed on a beautiful copy paper to the back cover by C.A. Pierce, it is just that; mystical, intriguing and, in one particular case, highly surprising. TWICE MET is a story of fate and destiny. Having taken over command of the ENTERPRISE, Kirk realizes that his new first officer is the same being who, years ago during his childhood, had come to him to urge him to travel the stars. The writing is fluid and very competent, but this story doesn't quite hold up to others written by Ms. Starr. Still this is an interesting story, one worth reading. A NIGHT OF SHARING is the tale of how Spock and McCoy truly feel about one another. The always underlying friendship comes to light as it never has for either man before. Though a bit on the saccharine side, this is a lovely story of friendship and the many inexplicable ways it can be expressed. BEQUEATHED tells of past lives and fate and destiny in the form of a well-written story- within-a-story. There are no great insights or revelations here, but the theories dealt with are interesting and the story is good. THE STUFF OF DREAMS deals with a 'magical' pillow that makes the sleeper dream of his or her one true love. This is predictable but very lovely and very well written. QUIETLY IN THE NIGHT is a story about Gol and the strange link that draws Kirk to Spock's side at the retreat on Vulcan. This isn't exactly 'metaphysical' as are most of the other stories in this zine, but it does deal with ESP and mind links and is a tender K/S story, a tender love story. The highlights of NAKED TIMES #9 are the two longest stories. DOPPLEGANGER is extremely well written and highly intriguing with the paradoxes and overlapping times and dimensions Ms. Black is so good at creating and keeping straight. Kirk is haunted by the inexplicable' ghost' of his first officer. This Spock is a haggard, worn, bent, aged vision who turns out to be a messenger from the future ... and, for Kirk, the message he brings is highly disturbing as well as implausible. This is a wonderfully relayed tale; erotic, tender, heart-breaking. Worth the price of the zine. SHADOWS IN THE RAIN by Arlyn Symons (who we are assured is NOT the editor of this zine using a pen name) is one of the most daring, unusual, inspiring, thought provoking stories I've ever run across anywhere. I have to give the editor credit for printing it as it is a highly volatile, highly controversial idea ... one you will have to read for yourself to truly believe. This story deals with time tripping, inter-dimensional travel, cross realities, dual time lines and more. The question 'What is and what is not reality?' is given some interestingly possible answers here. If DOPPLEGANGER doesn't make you feel you've gotten your money's worth from NAKED TIMES #9, then SHADOWS IN THE RAIN will. THE COLOR OF LOVE and MEANINGS were both disappointing to me. Neither was especially interesting, the later not really fitting the concept of the zine. But finding only two stories out of an entire zine not to one's liking isn't bad. The poetry in this zine is excellent on the whole "'LE IMMORTEL: ARTHUR which was inspired by the Marily Cole cover to NAKED TIMES #8 standing out. RECORDED MESSAGE by, MOLTEN HEAR, and ON STARRY NIGHT... by are also among the best in the group. Again, as in past issues of NAKED TIMES, there is a section of DREAMS OF THE SLEEPERS inspired poetry with some beautiful insights from Tere Ann Roderick, Dovya Blacque, Alexis Fegan Black, Robin Hood, Wendy Rathbone, Linda Frankel and Keith Donovan. Also in this section are two beautiful drawings by Ann Mara Crouch. Other than the front cover the the reprint of the NAKED TIMES #8 cover, both by Malilyn Cole, and the two Ann Crouch drawings, the art is unremarkable. But these four pieces more than make up for any lack in the rest of the art. This is a wonderfully refreshing zine. One I highly recommend to any K/S reader. .. and to anyone even slightly interested in the 'mystical' side of the universe.

[zine]: When I was at a convention a few weeks in the Los Angeles area, I ran across a few fellow K/Sers. We started discussing K/S. And fanzines. And sex. And... You get the point, right? Anyway, while talking with these people, I couldn't help mentioning a story that appeared in NAKED TIMES — a story by the name of SHADOWS IN THE RAIN. I was amazed to learn that 3 out of the 5 gals I was talking to had never read NAKED TIMES 9 - not because they don't read NT, but because they didn't order THAT issue of NAKED TIMES due to the metaphysical aspect of the stories. Apparently, they had the idea ttiat metaphysics was either dull and boring, or else so far-fetched that it wouldn't make sense. Well, the only thing I can say is that NAKED TIMES is neither boring nor incomprehensible. It's a straightforward, excellently edited zine that should be on every zine reader's shelf. Since SHADOWS IN THE RAIN was the topic of the last FOCUS column in ON THE DOUBLE, I won't spend too much time on the story here, except to say that it's one of the VERY best K/S stories ever written. It has elements of fantasy, reality and brings the reader face to face with her own longings. I LOVED this story, written partially in journal form, and partially in third person standard style. TWICE MET is also chilling, and involves a young Kirk encountering an astrally-projected Vulcan. It changes Kirk's life, and paves the way for a excellent little story. THE COLOR OF LOVE didn't do anything for me personally, though it is well-written and leaves the reader with a good feeling. A NIGHT OF SHARING is another story dealing with astral projection, and even though I preferred TWICE MET, Donna's story depicts warmth, caring, and involves McCoy's loneliness as a vehicle through which the story is told. BEQUEATHED was probably my least favorite story in the zine, as it seemed to be reaching to make its point (one of reincarnation). I did find it to be an interesting piece, though it seemed to lack a certain eroticism that I admit to enjoying in K/S. With a few cuts here and there, it could have appeared in a genzine - which might have changed my view of it entirely. It's a good story, but not the spicy flavor of good K/S. THE STUFF OF DREAMS is rather excellent story, well-wrrtten, with some humorous lines that left me gigging as I read further. Even though this story is somewhat predictable, it's well worth reading, warm and enjoyable. MEANINGS was a good enough story, though I felt it could have been expanded by several pages. It's a tale of premonition, but could have used some additional incidents and explanations. QUIETLY IN THE NIGHT is an excellent story as well, though it had very little to do with "metaphysics." The writing, however, is wonderful, and in this at-Gol story, the interplay between Kirk and Spock gives the reader plenty to think about and lots to enjoy. A very recommendabte story. The final story in the zine, DOPPLEGANGER is another wonderful story, it involves "our" Kirk encountering a future-Spock (a post-Gol), post ST:TWOK Spock), who instructs Kirk in how to logically plan his future. I found the descriptions of the "future Spock" to be tender, touching, and often heartbreaking. The solution to this story is memorable and "soft"; and as I read DOFPLEGANGER, I found tears in my eyes more than once. The poetry in this issue of NAKED TIMES is also remarkable, and it's obvious that the contributors were inspired by the theme of the zine. My favorites among the poems were STORM LORD by Keith Donovan, LE IMMORTAL ARTHUR by Dovya Blacoue and ASTRAL AWAKENING by Alexis Fegan Black. There is a poetry portfolio dedicated to the DREAMS OF THE SLEEPERS universe, and each and every poem in the portfolio left me with chills. The art in this issue (mostly by Zoost and Cole) is nicely done, with the meditating-Spock cover by Marilyn Cole being the best of the lot. This is a beautiful zine, both physically and in the feelings it produces. If it's not already a part of your collection, you're missing out on some of the best stories I've read in a long time. Yes, it IS "metaphysical' in concepts, but to me, that only heightened its worth.

NAKED TIMES #9 is a "mystic" issue, with stories involving reincarnation, crossed universes, telepathy, etc. Arlan Symon's story of the meeting of two who really shouldn't meet almost shocked me—but only after I put it down. Reading it, I was right with her. With the print reduction, there's a lot of reading in the 166 pages, much of it by people, like Jenny Starr and Elwyn Conway, who can't write a bad story. Also poems, which I think don't take as well to print reduction as prose does. Silly, maybe. But I liked best the two sonnets by Patricia Lamb, "Rest in Peace, All Sons," which were given a full page each. The second one is especially poignant, the mourning of a father who's profited from the death of his son.

Issue 10

cover of issue #10, by Gayle F

back cover of issue #10, Vel Jaeger

Naked Times 10 was published in June 1986 and has 146 pages. This issue was edited by Alexis Fegan Black.

Art info: front cover by Gayle F, back cover by Vel Jaeger. Other art by Ann Crouch, Shellie Whild, Dragon, Vel Jaeger, Craig Sattler, Chris Soto, Carol A. Pierce, and Jacquelyn Zoost.

From the editorial:

This Issue is slanted somewhat toward alternate universes — something I've always found exciting and fun. I hope the readers will agree, as I can honestly say that this issue contains some of the strangest and most wonderful ideas I've ever had the pleas ure to edit and publish. I would like to thank everyone who contributed, and especially to Gayle for her lovely a/u cover. I would also like to hear more from you readers out there on what you would like to see in future issues of NAKED TIMES. NT#9 had a metaphysical slant, and a few LoC's have indicated that this type of material was more thoroughly enjoyed that other issues. I am considering doing another issue of NT with a metaphysical slant, so... for all you writers and artists, start sharpening your pencils and trimming your brushes.

For those who have already sneaked a peek at the zine and looked at the pictures (shame on you!), I'm sure you've noticed that the lovely [Gayle Fr] illo which was the writing contest inspiration in NT#9 is nowhere to be seen. Actually, there are several reasons for this. No, the printer didn't have a full coronary arrest and refuse to print the zine. No, I didn't lose the original. No, I haven't given up on the writing contest. To the contrary! I have received a lot of submissions, but I've also received letters from a great many contributors stating that they would need another two weeks or another month due to previous writing commitments with other zine-eds. So... after considering everything, it dawned on me that the deadline for the contest was rather abrupt, considering as how NT#9 only came out in April, so... I have decided to extend the dead line for the contest until July 15th — with a scheduled publication date of NAKED TIMES #10 for AUGUST, 1986. I apologize to everyone who had expected to read the results of that contest in this issue, though I feel confident that the contents of NT#10 will be entertaining, fun and scrumptous [sic], too.

From the editorial:

In this issue, I would like to point out an "essay of sorts" by Della Van Hise. Those who read NT frequently will see the humor in this (at least we hope so); though the article is primarily for those new K/S-ers who can't quite understand their own attraction to the K/S genre, and who have questions about where it all began, etc. I have been "asked" to make it clear that this article/essay is offered in the spirit if IDIC — in that it is Della's account of some personal experiences which may be relevant to others either now or in the future. I hope you'll find it interesting, and that some of you will find the time to comment and offer your own views and feelings on K/S.

[regarding the letterzine that was to become On the Double]:

I'm considering doing a bi-monthly publication devoted solely to K/S. While NOT TONIGHT SPOCK is certainly an excellent- publication, I'm sure most K/S fans would agree that we need more. One of the main "complaints" I hear from other K/S-ers is that there just isn't any way to really communicate with other fans, and this proposed publication would be a step in the direction of solving that problem. If it comes to pass, I would like for the zine to contain letters, articles or monthly columns, discussions with both prominent and new K/S writers and editors, as well as ads for the latest K/S publications. I'd be very interested in hearing how many people would be supportive of such a zine, as well as what you would like to see contained in a bi-monthly K/S publication. At this point, I haven't made any definite plans for the zine, and a lot will depend on reader reaction. So... please let me know what you think. Would you like to see short-short stories in the zine? Humor? Poetry? Interviews? Blatant sexual contact? I need input, so please help!

• editorial by Alexis Megan Black (3)
• Old Memories by Donna Rose Vanderlaan (4)
• Meditation, poem by Dovya Blacque (6)
• When Your Head's Down Over Your Pieces by Natasha Solten (A/U: Spockʼs title as chessmaster is in jeopardy when his opponent is accompanied by a hazeleyed slave who seems to be helping him and who is having an unexpected effect on Spock. "Another wager?" The Romulan, Telonne, looked interested. "You and I," Spock agreed. "One game. The old-fashioned, single-level chess game. I will wager an entire mission if you will wager the slave you no longer want." Telonne seemed dubious. "I don't know." "It would be no loss to you, as he will undoubtedly be killed anyway," Spock pointed out. "I hold no restrictions on that. If I end up with a dead human, you still receive your million credits.") (7)
• You Gift of Caring, poem by Donna Rose Vanderlaan (20)
• In the Sun's Shadow, poem by Sandee Maxwell (21)
• Rainy Day Reverie, poem by Meg Fine (22)
• The Lion's Claw by Rachel Abbot (M/U: The Telleriteʼs death during the Babel Conference needs to be resolved by Kirk and his bondmate before Spockʼs father is falsely accused of the murder.) (23)
• Waves, poem by Karen Wills (32)
• A Morning in Spring, poem by Sandee Maxwell (33)
• His Eyes, poem by Malia Strom (34)
• Occasionally Lavender by Faris Vincent (A/U: 1st Ofc Kirk takes shoreleave alone, renting a cabin by the shore and runs into the only other occupant of the island -- his captain, Spock.) (rewritten and reprinted in Thunder & Lightning) (35)
• Secrets, poem by Gene S. Delepenia (43)
• Beauty in the Mind, poem by Robin Hood (44)
• Evocation by Carol A. Pierce (Spock and a security guard beam down to a new planet and disappear but when Kirk and the rescue team take the shuttle down, they find only a cat-like and ape-like creatures there. "McCoy's fears were eased as he watched the cat lick Kirk's hand with a large tongue. The great claws were sheathed, and McCoy recalled how the cat had come to rescue him against the boar on the planet's surface. "Guess he's safe enough, Jim, but… be careful." Kirk nodded, but continued to hold the paw as he began talking tot he animal. "Do you recognize me? Do you… recognize my voice?" The cat opened its eyes wider and blinked, then withdrew its paw from Kirk's hold and gently swiped the lock of hair which fell over the captain's forehead. "Well I'll be," McCoy said incredulously. "That just about proves it for me, Jim…") (45)
• First Kiss, poem by Dovya Blacque (62)
• Lament, poem by Gene S. Delapenia (63)
• The Exotic, poem by Natasha Solten (64)
• K/S - A Personal Experience, essay by Della Van Hise (65)
• In Your Shadow, poem by Alexis Megan Black (71)
• Tryst with Death, poem by Robin Hood (72)
• Checkmate by Bonnie Guyan (After Spockʼs mind is wiped by the Klingon mindsifter he is returned to Vulcan where, 9 months later, Kirk and McCoy find that much of his memory has returned-except for his life on the Enterprise and his matebond with Kirk.) (73)
• Checkmate, poem by Wendy Rathbone (97)
• A Pledge of Love, poem by Gene S. Delapenia (98)
• More Than You Can Know, poem by Keith Donovan (99)
• Absolution, poem by Malia Strom (100)
• * The Meeting by Robin Hood (A/U: After a century of animosity, Earth and Vulcan send their premiere ambassadors to meet and negotiate a treaty, but Ambassadors Kirk and Spock find that their attraction to each other is overiding all other concerns.) (101)
• Contrast, poem by Sandee Maxwell (113)
• The Nature of Things, poem by Meg Fine (114)
• In Enemy Hands by Alexis Fegan Black (Kirk is unable to remember a missing 3 days other than with a feeling of contentment, but unless he does Starfleet will remove him from command. "It was the first time I had been alone in my father's house," Spock recalled. "Initially, my sense of curiosity was sufficient to distract me from the normal routine of study and meditation. However," he added, looking through the stardome, "as darkness fell and the house became silent, I grew more aware of my own… aloneness." He paused again, sighing heavily. "I sat by the front window in my father's study, in the chair behind his desk. And for many hours I stared out into the desert, allowing my thoughts to create what would undoubtedly be labeled 'fantasies' by humans." His lips tightened. "I was six then." Kirk smiled wistfully, easily able to picture the scene. "Go on," he urged. "In those few hours, Jim," Spock continued presently, "I came to understand that each creature is a solitary unit -- existing solely within the confines of its own subjective experience. For those few hours, I was overwhelmed with feeling -- with the absolute knowledge that even the experience I was enduring could never be shared, never be understood by anyone else." His eyes were bright, distant. "It was the awakening of the Self," he added in a mere whisper…") (115)
• Spectre, poem by Robin Hood (146)
• Topic of Conversation, poem by Alexis Megan Black (147)

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Reactions and Reviews: Issue 10

See reactions and reviews for When Your Head's Down Over Your Pieces.

See reactions and reviews for Evocation.

See reactions and reviews for In Enemy Hands.

See reactions and reviews for Occasionally Lavender.

See reactions and reviews for The Lion's Claw.

See reactions and reviews for Checkmate.