Tell Me Something I Don't Know!

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Title: Tell Me Something I Don't Know! (alternating between "Tell Me Something I Don't Know!" and "Tell Me Something I Don't Know...")
Publisher:
Editor(s): started by [M B], continued by [M M], then by [M F]
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Date(s): 1987-1991
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Medium: print
Fandom: Starsky & Hutch
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Tell Me Something I Don't Know! is a gen and slash apazine. Many fans referred to it simply as "the APA."

There were 23 issues.

It was started by [M B], continued by [M M], then by [M F]. Fan, [A W], tried to keep the APA going, and asked for submissions in issues of Frienz, but the APA did not continue.

The participants are referred to here on Fanlore by only first and last initial. Because some of the APA's members had the same first and last name initial, there appear to be duplicates where there were not. For example, [S G] and [S G] were different fans, and no attempt has been made to distinguish between them here.

About

Tired of the glassy-eyed response to your enthusiasm over what appears on the surface as a 'wise talking, hard hitting, fast action, cop show'? Want to share to share some of that 'soul, dignity, and inner flash' on a 'relationship between two men that could be anything.' Then join the APA and rap to your heart's content. [1]
To all S&H fans who would like yet another outlet for your creativity — how about joining us in the Starsky and Hutch APA? It's called "Tell Me Something I Don't Know!", and by the time you read this, issue #10 will be out. We "publish" every other month — letters, copies of articles on S&H or Paul and David that everyone sends in, etc. If you're at all interested, please SASE me at this date, we could use 6 more participants (30 is our upper limit.) Spread the word! EDITOR'S NOTE: I love the APA! It has an energy, vitality, and sharing that brings me right back to the early days of S&H fandom. It's great to get one every other month with an original artwork cover and never seen articles and pics inside. You can't go wrong becoming an active part of it. [2]

Similar Zines

For other Starsky and Hutch letterzines, see List of Letterzines.

One Zine's Beginning

Some of the zine, Convicted, was serialized in this zine, and later finished and published as a separate novel.

Description

flyer

From the Central Mailer, on a flyer:

A.P.A. (Amateur Press Alliance) is an internal means of communication amomg fen. Briefly, the menbers (that's you) send in a specified number of copies (let's start with 20) of their individual contributions/letters (zines) to the Central Mailer (that's me) who then collates everything together and nails out one complete set to each menber. So what we have is a letterzine of sorts. Got it? Great.

APA's are a great place to try out your story drafts, sketches, share newspaper articles, poems, etc. There are no page limits and no rules on appearance, typed or handwritten, as long as it's legible. You can make your zine as plain or farcy as you like. Give your zine a title and remember it will be collated with the others so leave me margins to work with or we'll be reading in the crack.

First zines should include some intro information, where you discovered SH fandom, your first experience with the TV show, that sort of thing. Our goal is to share ideas, favorite zine stories, S/H, other works by Paul and David, and other cop shows and male bondings.

Let's try and keep the main theme STARSKY & HUTCH. This APA isn't for general publication and will be read mostly (you know how fans share) by the members only so we don't have to worry about sounding eloquent, proper spelling, loosing our train of thought or writing in the stream-of-consciousness mode. Your only limits are your ability to have your zine reproduced 20 times the nmnber of pages you have in your zine.

I'm hoping to get at least 20 members, but if we get a large response we'll have to limit it to about 30 and start a waiting list. I've found that these things start out strong and usually settle down to a core group of participants and even these people drop occasionally and new ones add keeping things fresh.

Now the rules! There really aren't any. As far as editing. There isn't any... (which is good because I don't) you're on your own. Arguing and debating is fine. Just remember our attitudes and tolerance of others is a reflection of ourselves. Let's talk but remember Starsky and Hutch dug IDIC too.

Ground rule #1! the APA appears every other month. You are not required to contribute to every issue but if three issues go by and I haven't heard from you, a fourth issue won't be mailed to you.

#2! Postage is paid by you (let's start with $2.00). I'll also take cost of covers out of this. I'll list your balances in each issue and it's up to you to keep it up to date. The cost will go up with the size of the zine but will usually run under $3.00 per issue unless we get real talkative all at once. The bank balance will be accompanied by members addresses and a table of contents for that issue.

So... that about covers it. If you have any other questions I haven't made clear or confused you on something, drop me a line. For now, get writing and send in that introductory zine along with the postage fee and we're on our way. Looking forward to getting to know all of you.

Early Contributions

The introductory flyer encouraged members to title their written contributions and referred to these sections as "zines." For about half of the APAs, fans followed this practice. Later contributions were simply listed by their first names and give no title. The topics of the personal letters were introductions and comments about the show; they are a reminiscent of LoCs to letterzines, but much more casual, much less confrontational, and in many instances, less focused.

The majority of "contributions," especially towards the end, were clippings from whatever sources fans could find. The main topics of the clippings of this time period focused on some current professional projects that David Soul and Paul Michael Glaser were involved in, news reports of the time about David Soul's personal behavior and legal troubles involving alcohol and domestic abuse, and the revelation that the Glaser's family was terribly impacted by AIDs (the death of their daughter and the social activism of Elizabeth Glaser).

The Editor Announces the End

In early 1993, the editor lets people know her decision about continuing the zine:
I want to thank every APA member for their financial and creative support and patience awaiting its resumption, but, alas, I've decided to cease publication, primarily because I've lost interest in and the lack of time to put together a worthy zine. I thought perhaps once I were truly settled in CA, I'd want/be able to continue the APA, but that's no longer the case. If anyone is interested in taking over "TMSIDK!" write me and maybe we can arrange a transfer of materials. [3]
In 1994, the editor wrote:
Sadly, the APA has folded. It had a marvelous run, but membership dwindled to only eight subscribers and three submissions for the latest edition, so it's time to call it. quits. I will put together a final issue of "TMSIDK!" and return balances soon. Thanks again to all who participated through the years. [4]

Issue 1

Tell Me Something I Don't Know 1 was published in in January 1987 and contains 17 pages. The Captain is [M B].

cover of issue #1, artist is [M M], "There's Hutch on the phone again and Starsky styling a tribble."
  • Pausin' on Starsky n' Pausin' on Hutch by [E A] (focus is her newly-acquired VCR and its ability to freeze frames of enticing body parts)
  • Whenever We Get it In Report by [G B]
  • A Couple of Aces by [M B]
  • Intro by [T D]
  • Intro by [S G]
  • many clippings


Issue 2

Tell Me Something I Don't Know 2 was published in March 1987 and contains 65 pages. The Captain is [M B].

cover of issue #2 -- "Stan and the Babe"
  • there are seven new members, bringing the total to 16
  • Dirtball Dispatch by [G B]
  • A Word in Edgewise by [T B]
  • A Couple of Aces... by [M B]
  • Contribution by [T B]
  • The Huntingdon Chronicles, part one by [C D] and [M D] (later published in The Fix #4)
  • Another Fine Mess by [M F]
  • The Lavender Report by [S G]
  • Reminiscing by [R K]
  • Poem by [P M]
  • Pausin' on Starsky N' Pausin' on Hutch by [E A] ("A Reflection of Shadows and Silhouettes" -- analysis, using a VCR of filming techniques)
  • many clippings

Issue 3

Tell Me Something I Don't Know 3 was published in May 1987 and contains 99 pages. The Captain is [M B].

cover of issue #3
  • there are six new members, bringing the total to 20
  • A Word in Edgewise by [T B]
  • Amapola Cruise by [M B]
  • A Couple of Aces by [M B]
  • Contribution by [C D] and [M D]
  • Dreamers by [T D]
  • Contribution by [M F]
  • Another Fine Mess by [M F]
  • Lavender Report by [S G]
  • Healing, fiction by [N G]
  • Is That a Way to Treat a Convalescent? by [R K]
  • Murder on San Carmelappolis (a parody of Murder on San Carmelitas) by [P M]
  • Partners/A Virgin in These Woods by [M M] and [J G]
  • Pausin' on Starsky and Pausin' on Hutch by [E A]
  • Dirtball Dispatch by [G B]
  • several fans write about [M B's] song tape
  • a fan pronounces the story "The Huntingdon Chronicles": "'Mmmm. Pretty," and would like to know why there aren't more SH stories that place the two detectives in other countries
  • another fan comments on "The Huntingdon Chronicles" and calls it a "nice storyboard," which is probably not what the creators of it had in mind
  • a fan who wrote about original characters suggests to others if they want to read more about Vas and Dex to contact a fan named [J L N] and "ask for Lemon Aid."
  • a fan compares Star Trek to Starsky & Hutch, concentrates on power imbalances and the presence/lack of the science fiction
  • a fan wants to know why there aren't more stories about SH and AIDS, speculates how the disease would affect their lives, describes her work in an AIDS counseling clinic -- these comments are BEFORE it is known the terrible ways AIDS would affect Paul Michael Glaser's family
  • there is a photo of three fans in front of a movie theater which accompanies a description of their weekend in L.A.
  • a fan describes a fan-get-together: "Cinnamon Teal Weekend" in which six fans hung out, watched tapes, talked and ate, and talked some more, and made fannish dolls do explicit things with each other
  • many clippings

Issue 4

Tell Me Something I Don't Know 4 was published in July 1987 and contains 156 pages. It is "the Buddy Issue." The Captain is [M B].

cover of issue #4
  • Convicted, chapter one by April Valentine
  • A Word in Edgewise by [T B]
  • Contribution by [S B]
  • A Couple of Aces by [M B]
  • The Huntingdon Chronicles, chapter two by [C D] and [M D] (later published in The Fix #4)
  • Olympic Flames by [T B]
  • Contribution by [M F]
  • Another Fine Mess by [M F]
  • Lavender Report by [S G]
  • Script List by [N G]
  • England Bound by [R K]
  • Pat's Page by [P M]
  • Partners/A Virgin in These Woods by [M M] and [J G]
  • Case Notes by [S T]
  • Pausin' on Starsky and Pausin' on Hutch (E A]
  • one of the authors comments on No Easy Answers and says "We may get lynched after NEA..."
  • a fan says she once tried to write a story that dealt with SH and AIDs, but never got any encouragement for it; she writes that it is the one topic that is forbidden to be part of the S&H universe
  • many clippings

Issue 5

Tell Me Something I Don't Know 5 was published in September 1987 and contains 66 pages. The Captain is [M B].

cover of issue #5
  • Contribution by [C D] and [M D]
  • Tabletalk by [T B]
  • Contribution by {m F]
  • Lavender Report by [S G]
  • A Fanday for the Fourth by [R K]
  • Pat Rap by [P M]
  • Marlene, fiction by [P M] (genderplay, spanking, erotic -- the author says it was rejected by several zine eds)
  • Partners/A Virgin in These Woods by [M M] and [J G]
  • Introduction by [R M]
  • Pausin' on Starsky and Pausin' on Hutch by [E A]
  • Dirtball Dispatch by [G B]
  • Starsky's Persuasion, poem by [G B]
  • Amapola Cruise by [M B]
  • the Captain says she has gotten some complaints that too many fans are sending in things other than Soul and Glaser related, and that there is too much talk of / -- she says that this publication is not a letterzine, but an APA and "that's the way" an APA works
  • one author of "The Huntingdon Chronicles" says the next installment will be in the next issue, the author author says "don't hold your breath"
  • "Fanday London" -- there are descriptions of a "Mystery Party" that appears to have much fan role-playing
  • an American fan describes a UK fan-get-together at which she was a guest of honor; it was attended by 25 fans, at a restaurant, and was a bit of a mini-con complete with snacks, chat, and SH fan-created goods; there are many photos
  • a new fan wants to know where the use of "babe" came from, that she never heard it in the episodes, and wants to know if it is like bonding in Star Trek (not actually seen, but is fanon)
  • there is more talk of SH fandom and AIDS
  • many clippings

Issue 6

Tell Me Something I Don't Know 6 was published in December 1987 and contains 62 pages. The Captain is [M B].

cover of issue #6
  • there are 23 members
  • the Captain includes some information on Help Save the Beast, a Beauty and the Beast fan campaign to pressure CBS to order more episodes
  • many fans are just back from ZebraCon and have a lot to talk about
  • The Captain says "fandom being what is is our interests are always changing and rearranging. Now this isn't to say I've lost interest in Starsky and Hutch, it's just gone to the back burner for now." This fan has become very interested in both Beauty and the Beast (she writes she is interested in starting an APA for that show) and in the actor Tim Curry
  • a fan lists her favorite slash and gen zines; some "gen" zines are in her "slash" pile, an example of fannish perception/translation of the term
  • a fan describes her introduction to fandom in general (buying The New Voyages at a bookstore and Half Me, Half You at The Atlantic Fantasy Fair, and specifically Starsky & Hutch fandom (her copy of Commitment was missing two pages, she contacted the editor and struck up a friendship
  • a fan asks the rhetorical questions: "Will we still be involved [in S&H fandom] twenty years from now? (Hand me my bifocals, dear, I want to check out this crotch shot!) It's hard to imagine, but even harder to imagine giving it up. Well, Mick Jagger didn't think he'd be singing Rock 'n Roll past the age of forty, either!"
  • Contribution by [M F]
  • Fandom Collection Sale by [R K]
  • Scenario by [P M]
  • A Virgin in These Woods by [M M]
  • Partners by [J G]
  • Southern Solitary by [L M]
  • Times 2 by [P P] (a reprint of "The Artsy Guy," an essay this fan wrote about PMG's film directing, reprinted from another letterzine)
  • Broadway Local by [J S]
  • a fan is intrigued: "...while at Z-con, I met the most fascinating lady, [C P], who told me that there's a group of fans writing Led Zeppelin (yes, the rock group) and Queen relationship and slash fiction! Now I don't know if you're the music fiend that I am, but Jimmy Paige and Robert Plant are a pair of pretty hot numbers and them I'd like to read about. I haven't seen any of this stuff yet, but I'll be writing to ask her about it, since she invited me to correspond. Let me know if you're interested and I'll be happy to keep you posted."
  • many clippings

Issue 7

Tell Me Something I Don't Know 7 was published in March 1988 and contains 32 pages. The Captain is [M M].

cover of issue #7
the "piggy bank" in issue #7, all names redacted -- each issue included this feature which was a record of the APA's finances and member monies
  • there are now 23 members
  • Partners by [M M]
  • A Virgin in These Woods by [J G]
  • More Starsky and Hutch for Sale by [R K]
  • Untitled by [M F]
  • comments on ZebraCon
  • a fan feels that from her observations at ZebraCon that SH fandom is fading a bit, Pros is picking up, Star Trek is getting some new fannish influx due to ST:TNG and the new Trek movie, and Beauty and the Beast is taking off
  • lots of Laurel and Hardy photos
  • an episode listing
  • a fan describes some script changes in several episodes
  • many clippings

Issue 8

Tell Me Something I Don't Know 8 was published in June 1988 and contains 59 pages. The Captain is [M M].

cover of issue #8
  • the APA has a new Captain who has just purchased a new big stapler
  • there are 24 members, the Captain would like to see 30 members join
  • A Couple of Aces by [M B]
  • Untitled by [M F]
  • A Word in Edgeways... Again by [T B]
  • Partners by [M M]
  • A Virgin in These Woods by [J G]
  • Southern Solitary by [L M]
  • Amapola Cruise by [M B]
  • Convicted, chapter 4 by [M B]
  • Untitled by [J H]
  • Untitled by [S L]
  • Nature vs. Hutch, fiction by [M D]
  • The Ascent of Man, fiction by [C D]
  • clipping on Teri White by Kathleen Kisner, supplied by [R K]
  • Food for Thought by [R M]
  • Case Notes by [S T]
  • Untitled by [S G]
  • Hollywood Grapevine by [S B]
  • the author of No Easy Answers says the zine is finished and she comments on its ending, says there is "No S&H deathscene"
  • several fans write that they feel the SH fandom is dwindling and disappearing, their proof: less zines, less personal correspondence, the fact that SH art was getting cheaper at ZebraCon and being outsold by Pros art
  • many clippings

Issue 9

Tell Me Something I Don't Know 9 was published in September 1988 and contains 49 pages. The Captain is [M M].

cover of issue #9
  • there are 25 members
  • Announcement by [P M]
  • The On-Going Legend by [T B]
  • Captial Crimewave by [J H]
  • Comparing Notes by [L G]
  • A Virgin in These Woods #3 by [J G]
  • A Word from Her Partner #7 by [M M]
  • A Word in Edgeways by [T B]
  • A Couple of Aces in a World Full of Jokers #8 by [M B]
  • Untitled by [M F]
  • Untitled by [I G]
  • some pages from the pro Star Trek novel The IDIC Epidemic with some excerpts underlined, and the handwritten note "Does anyone know if Jean Lorrah is a S&H fan, as well as a Star Trek fan and writer? It certainly sounds like she had them in mind for these two ambulance drivers. What do you all think?"
  • a fan describes the fanwork The Grief and the Glory
  • many clippings

Issue 10

Tell Me Something I Don't Know 10 was published in November 1988 and contains 66 pages. The Captain is [M M].

cover of issue #10
  • there are 24 members
  • Amapola Cruise by [M B]
  • Untitled by [M F]
  • The Flirts #2 by [L G]
  • Food for Thought #2 by [R M]
  • Cheerfulness Breaks in by [T D]
  • Another Day, Another Dollar by [T D]
  • Untitled by [S L]
  • Letterzine Announcement (Frienz) by [P M]
  • Ode to Red Underwear, poem by [Sheila]
  • A Vampire in These Woods #4 by [J G]
  • A Word from Her Partner #8 [M M]
  • A Word in Edgewise #9 by [T B]
  • Totally Uncreative Title by [J H]
  • DG's Here Comes The Brides articles and more current info by [S B]
  • there is much discussion on whether S&H fandom is dying: one fan says it isn't and lists all of the fannish activity happening and being created, adding "Of course, we are a small fandom. But that's jake with me. I like it this way. We're more select, more selective. Special. Like a small town, but with big city ideas... No five hundred zine print runs, that means it's less expensive to do zines. [5] We can all fit in one room at ZebraCon for the reception and awards and skits and an auction. We can go to a con and practically know everyone there, and there is time to make friends with the ones we don't. People come and people go in a fandom, but we always seem to keep the same number of members."
  • a new fan writes: "One thing that has become very obvious is that S&H fandom is a very closed fandom. The zines are hardly ever advertised in DATAZINE or CC, and one rarely comes across them at media conventions. There's very little opportunity for anyone to find out about S&H fandom, particularly if they aren't already a member of other fandoms."
  • a fan comments on the recent spate of domestic fiction and says she likes it
  • there is some discussion about fanon
  • a fan points out that in a fandom as small as this one, disagreements seem bigger
  • a song tape adventure: "Your mention of song tapes reminded me how passionately I love them... and how long it's been since I've seen a new one. Best of luck making your own; Melissa and I tried our hand at it last summer when I visited her, and failed fairly dismally. Well, it might have had something to do with the fact that half a dozen trips to the appliance store finally revealed that we'd bought the wrong audio jack... For a long time I've been dying to make a song tape using Peter Cetera's "Glory Of Love", a piece that seems to me to be a perfect anthem for all our favorite media relationships, "/" or &..."
  • this issue has a fan review of the episode "The Vampire"
  • a fan begs others to write a ZebraCon report as she can't be there; some tongue-in-cheek highlights she wants to know: how many fans cried during The Rose, how many Pros fans went berserk when the waiters at dinner ran out of fruit cup, how many people had to be hospitalized after busting a gut laughing at the skit, who out-bid who at the auction,
  • many clippings

Issue 11

Tell Me Something I Don't Know 11 was published in January 1989 and contains 73 pages. The Captain is [M M].

cover of issue #11
  • there are 20 members
  • a con report for ZebraCon] by [R K]
  • Untitled by [M F]
  • Responding by [T B]
  • Meeting of the Waters by [I G]
  • Death Stories #3 by [L G]
  • A Virgin in These Woods #5 by [J G]
  • A Word from Her Partner by [M M]
  • This Writing Business by [L G]
  • Daughter of the Totally Uncreative Title by [J H]
  • A Word in Edgeways #10 by [T B]
  • Double the Duo by [P M]
  • a fan describes her and another fan's visit to the Star Trek movie set and their roles as extras
  • several long con reports for ZebraCon #9, plus some photos
  • a fan describes making a song tape
  • a fan writes a long essay about death stories, uses many stories as examples of the emotions they create: Whom Death Could Not Part, Nighthorse, Delivered to Thee, It's Always Toughest, Invictus, Mojave Crossing, Goliath
  • a remark about S&H being a "closed fandom": "We've got a great deal going; it probably wouldn't hurt to let some others in on the secret. By not making our existence known to large fan groups (specifically, Trek), we're probably missing the chance to enlist scores of eager new writers and artists."
  • a fan gives a very short con report for Spectrum
  • a fan bemoans the fact that only two zines premiered at ZebraCon: Penal Code and Commitment
  • many clippings

Issue 12

Tell Me Something I Don't Know 12 was published in February 1989 and contains 31 pages. The Captain is [M M].

cover of issue #12
  • the APA has gained two new members, has about 23, but the Captain notes that it is losing members
  • Valentine by [P M]
  • Endearments #4 by [L G]
  • A Word in Edgeways #11 by [T B]
  • Untitled by [M F]
  • Untitled by [C L]
  • Pictures by [R K]
  • A Virgin in These Woods #6 [J G]
  • A Word from Her partner #10 [M M]
  • Confession: I Am a Radical Feminist Starsky & Hutch Fan by [M R K] (a reprint of an essay by Joanna Russ about "pornography," sexuality, slash and K/S... entitled Pornography by Women, For Women, With Love -- from an "'off our backs' radical feminist newsletter I subscribe to")
  • Yes, More Uncreativity by [J H]
  • Other Good Stuff, mostly from [M's] collection
  • a fan describes a visit to some Starsky & Hutch filming sites in CA
  • many clippings

Issue 13

Tell Me Something I Don't Know 13 was published in May 1989 and contains 47 pages. The Captain is [M M].

cover of issue #13
  • there are 20 members
  • Fourth Season, #5 contribution by [L G]
  • Confessions of a Radical Feminist TV Addict by [M R K]
  • A Word in Edgeways #13 by [T B]
  • Responding Again by [T B]
  • A Virgin in These Woods #7 by [J G]
  • A Word from Her Partner #11 by [M M]
  • Untitled by [M F]
  • No News is Good News by [J H]
  • Plotless Foamy Fluff, fiction by [J H]
  • a fan discusses the fourth season and how odd and moving it was
  • a new fan talks about how hard it is for her to read letterzines, that the intense emotion in the letters mirrors that of her own, and she finds this difficult
  • a fan writes that men don't talk the way they do in fanfiction, "If we wanted to write about women, we'd be writing Cagney & Lacey. (If anyone does, I don't want to know. That would be asking me to suspend my belief!)"
  • she doesn't write porn: "One thing I really do object to, however, is the classification of '/' as 'pornography'. I've said this before, but I AM NOT A PORN WRITER. 'Pornography' stems from the Greek, and denotes literally 'Whore scribblings'. Well, I'm not in that profession. Pornography also suggests smut. And while I admit to writing erotica, I'll take issue that it's smutty. I read a definition once that defined porn as 'Books to be read with one hand'. If anyone wants to read my stuff one-handed, that's up to them — hell — I find it erotic to write, so I expect the reader to be likewise affected — but, gentle friends, don't tell me I'm writing porn... However, I'm not labouring under the delusion that I'm producing 'art', either!"
  • a fan comments on Pornography by Women, For Women, With Love, which was reprinted in the previous issue
  • many clippings

Issue 14

Tell Me Something I Don't Know 14 was published in July 1989 and contains 45 pages. The Captain is [M M].

cover of issue #14
  • there are 20 members
  • the current Captain is passing on her duties to [M F] and says all outstanding debts are not being passed on to [M F] but should be settled with [M M]
  • A Virgin in These Woods #8 by [J G]
  • A Word from Her Partner #12 by [M M]
  • Untitled by [R K]
  • More Random Responses by [T B]
  • Confessions of a Radical Feminist in Baltimore by [M R K]
  • A Word in Edgeways #12 1/2 by [T B]
  • Untitled by [M F]
  • Hollywood Grapevine by [S B]
  • many clippings
  • a fan writes that slash is the most sensual, exciting, comforting, and heart-stirring writing there is, that it is uniquely feminine and feminist, that Joanna Russ' essay was very well-written but that Russ really hasn't been able to explain it either
  • there is a con report for SHareCon
  • the author of No Easy Answers fan casts her novel

Issue 15

Tell Me Something I Don't Know 15 was published in August 1989 and contains 39 pages. The Captain is [M F].

cover of issue #15
  • there are 16 members
  • the new Captain says she had to badger some fans for contributions, she also suggests folks discuss an episode or two but warns she will not publish "overt, explicit "/""
  • From the Desk of [P M]
  • European Treats from [R K]
  • [T B] Goodies
  • [M R K] episode synopsis
  • contribution from [M M]
  • Up & Down, fiction by [J H]
  • [L G's] Torino Tales (about seeing a red and white Torino in her town)
  • S&H zine listing by [S L]
  • many clippings

Issue 16

Tell Me Something I Don't Know 16 was published in November 1989 and contains 36 pages. The Captain is [M F].

cover of issue #16
  • there are 19 members
  • L.A. Times article
  • contribution by [M M]
  • News Bulletin from [S L]
  • Sympathy Card copy
  • contribution from [S B]
  • contribution from [S M]
  • several ZebraCon reports
  • Treats from [T B]
  • contribution from [C A]
  • National Enquirer article
  • Christmas Presents, fiction by [M F]
  • many clippings
  • fans have just heard the news about PMG's family and AIDS

Issue 17

Tell Me Something I Don't Know 17 was published in January 1990 and contains 38 pages. The Captain is [M F].

cover of issue #17
  • the Captain says she needs more input from members: "there are 18 members of this APA, yet only the same 6 or 7 of us actively participate in each issue"
  • Pat's "Lifetime," a poem
  • [M K]/PAF correspondence, a recount of presenting a check for $3500 (raised at ZebraCon by 175 people) to the Pediatric Aids Foundation, includes a copy of the check
  • PAF stationery blurb
  • [T B's] "Le Figaro" translation
  • People article
  • [T B's] photos
  • contribution by [M M]
  • [M R K's] "autograph/episode synopsis
  • contribution by [T B]
  • contribution by [C A]
  • [S M's] Treats
  • contribution by [M F]
  • many clippings

Issue 18

Tell Me Something I Don't Know 18 was published in March 1990 and contains 61 pages. The Captain is [M F].

cover of issue #18
  • there are 18 members
  • "Birthday Boy"
  • Scribblings by [M R K]
  • Hollywood Hotline by [S B]
  • David TV Guide blurbs
  • contribution by [S M]
  • A Word in Edgeways by [T B]
  • Missing in Action
  • [R K's] artwork
  • Amapola Cruise by [M B]
  • contribution by [M M]
  • contribution by [P M]
  • Corinthians 13
  • a Torino illo
  • there are 15 half page photocopied pieces of S&H art by some BNFs, contributed by a fan's personal collection
  • the author of the Vas & Dex stories says that "in many cases, friends are better than lovers. (And yes, we are exploring that theme in THE THRESHING FLOOR.) (We'd be lynched if we tried it with S&H!)"
  • a fan comments on the "lack of new zines" comments: "On the zine front, I am sorry to hear the constant refrain that there are not enough zines out. Of course we'd all love a constant supply of new things to read. I am not aware of any time in the past when SH zines came out at the rate of ten or more a year. To my count, from ZCon 88 to ZCon 89, these zines debuted: Penal Code (ZCon 88), Commitment (ZCon 88), The Fix 4 (ZCon 88), Frienz (several issues) (ZCon 88), The Fix 5 (March), No Easy Answers (May), Lifeline (May), The Fix 6 (August), Shadowplay (ZCon 89), The Fix 7(ZCon 89), I don't think that's a trivial record."
  • a fan asks about something that reminded her of a subject they were discussing at ZCon on a panel: "...what kinds of zines are the readers looking for out there in fandom today? Would you rather have a small zine with very little art and mostly shorter stories, in order to get something in the mail more frequently? Would you prefer to get a novel sooner and have no art, or wait for some good illos to have the zine in your hands? I think there's room and a desire to read all lengths of stories, and I admit to enjoying the creative work that goes into publishing a major full-length zine. The problem, of course, comes when you try to put all the creative elements together. There are always fewer artists in a fandom than there are writers, so acquiring illos for a zine takes a major effort, and can really be exhausting and sometimes the most grueling part of the project. Writing your own stories takes time, so does editing the contributions of others' and so do the phone calls and letters that must be written." [6]
  • April Valentine writes: "It sounds like some of us are getting down on fanfic in general these days, and I guess I'd like to put my two cents in. I've done some thinking about it, and it seems to me that fanfiction in any universe goes through certain stages. [T] comments on the dearth of "Real Police Stories" these days, but I'm not surprised that there haven't been as many as there were in the early years of SH fandom. The earliest Trek stories were more SF oriented, because the writers and readers wanted to see more of the show, more adventures for the Enterprise and her crew. Then, shortly on the heels of this kind of story, came the character studies, the what-ifs, stories that explore a fact of the central character or characters, that ask the hard questions, put the man to the test. Get-ems and hurt/comfort are a branch of this type of story — and what in the hands of one writer may be a sensitive character story may in the hands of another simply be a get-Spock exercise. The readers are actually looking, all along, I think, for the feeling that they got from the show itself and from the characters they love. After awhile, even the best episodes don't hold the interest as strongly; in Trek, we know how all the adventures work out, we know what the crew learns. In SH, we know who the bad guys are in every episode. What we want to find in our fiction becomes the feeling we get watching the characters. It's not enough to describe Hutch in that black leather jacket wielding that huge gun, we want to see what he's feeling inside, we want to see him tender, anxious, caring, angry, hurting, learning. We go for more and more physical descriptions, trying to make our mind's eye see the characters, and we begin to explore the deepest feelings in their hearts. Could they love each other? What happens after all the bad guys are caught, after all the 'who do we trust' pacts are made, after the streets have taken their due? It all comes down to just two men who mean more to each other than anything else in the world. For those who view slash as a natural outgrowth in a relationship, this is where it comes in, my friends. And it packs such an emotional wallop that we can't help falling in love, too." [7]
  • a fan writes about describing physical sex in fanfiction: "Let me tell you something, for those who don't know me and my history in Trek. I wasn't into K/S. Didn't really agree with it, didn't actually write it (though, to be honest, I did try an experiment or two under a pen name.) But for S&H, that's the way I really see them. The ideas for stories that I write center around the fact that they love each other and express it physically. And when I first read SH love stories, the emotional jolt I received was like no other I'd found in fanfiction before it. Like cocaine, it's a terribly seductive addition. I want more to read, to recapture those first beautiful feelings. I'll always want more. Yes, I'm into S/H. And yes, what I like to read are the sex scenes. Let's face it — this isn't great literature, this doesn't have to be watered down for mass consumption. We're writing for each other, for our friends, for ourselves. If I'm in the middle of a"/" story and the writer fades to black after the first kiss, I feel cheated. No, I don't need this to get my own rocks off (but the juicy rocks-off stories have their place, too) but I just want to see all of what goes on between the characters. Some out there may not bother reading these scenes, but I do. And I'm willing to bet that I'm not the only one. (Yes, some scenes can be overdone, tell too much, go on ad nauseum. Some people are simply more skillful writers than others.) It's a matter of personal taste. Some people like making love for hours, others are more comfortable with the lights off and letting the whole thing take 20 minutes. In my own stories, I honestly try to make each sex scene as integral to the character development or plot as I can. To me, it very much matters who does what to who, who takes the lead, who is swept off his feet. I wouldn't turn off my TV the moment Starsky and Hutch reached for each other (oh, would that they did!), and I don't want the story to leave it all to my imagination, either. ([T], I hope you didn't skim my scenes in "Fatal Charm" in SHADOWPLAY... there was a lot in there that had bearing on the rest of the story. Besides, I spent a lot of time working on those scenes. I'd hate to think anyone said to herself, "sex scene — time to skip ahead." Not that everyone isn't entitled to skip and skim as she pleases in a story — some of us probably skip the 'boring parts' where we have all that police work or get a good look at the bad guys.) Some may feel that it's all been said before, that "there are only so many ways to describe sodomy." But writers should look at it as a challenge; find something new to say about it, a new way to think about it and portray it, or better yet, be inventive enough to have them do something a little bit different. I do feel that stories should have more to them than strung together sex scenes. But what if they do? Who am I to turn down anything that's published in this fandom? Zines are few and far enough between. Not everyone is the kind of writer who gets it all right. Some are good at plot, some are good at description, some at character development, and some write good sex. But, as I said before, this is fanfiction. Done by fans, for fans. We do this for enjoyment." [8]
  • many clippings

Issue 19

Tell Me Something I Don't Know 19 was published in May 1990 and contains 51 pages. The Captain is [M F].

cover of issue #19
  • there were 17 members
  • many photos from SHarecon (SH:101)
  • some recollections from SHareCon
  • contribution by [M R K]
  • contribution by [P M]
  • contribution by [R K]
  • contribution by [T D]
  • contribution by [S M]
  • contribution by [T B]
  • contribution by [M M]
  • contribution by [C A]
  • contribution by [D R]
  • this issue has a review of the episode "Hostages" and of "Deckwatch"
  • a fan writes a long essay called "Why Slash" and expounds why identifying with the males on a show is so much more rewarding than with the females, addresses misogyny in fanfiction
  • many clippings

Issue 20

Tell Me Something I Don't Know 20 was published in July 1990 and contains 56 pages. The Captain is [M F].

cover of issue #20
  • it has gained three members, but lost two long-time members -- there are now twenty members
  • there has been some conflict/tension in the APA regarding the nature of the relationship between S and H, as the editor begs another member not to leave: "Please don't quit the APA. Your opinions are valid, thought-provoking and appreciated. Plus, I for one would surely miss you."
  • contribution by [M R K]
  • contribution by [P M]
  • contribution by [C G]
  • contribution by [B C]
  • contribution by [T P]
  • contribution by [N G]
  • contribution by [T B]
  • contribution by [T D]
  • contribution by [M B]
  • contribution by [S B]
  • contribution by [S M]
  • contribution by [R K]
  • contribution by [M M]
  • contribution by [J G]
  • a fan introduces herself with, among other things, a description of her academic interest in fandom, making her a very early acafan
  • this issue has a list of SH stories in multimedia zines
  • many clippings
  • a new fan describes her move from Star Trek to Starsky & Hutch: "I feel that now I'm more involved in S&H fandom than I ever was in ST. I did leave STAR TREK behind. I know some people are into all sorts of other fandoms besides S&H, but with me it's all or nothing. It kind of bothers me that I could give up something that was so important to me for 3 1/2 years. (I saw ST V and that sure didn't reawaken my interest. I watched it halfheartedly once more on HBO, but I have no desire to see it again.) But I can't help wondering/fearing if this will also burn itself out in another year or two. I fought against it happening with ST, but it did. I really think I was losing interest before S&H came along, but there was nothing new to rekindle that spark." [9]
  • a fan comments on visibility: "I think perhaps we ought to advertise our existence a little better -- it is awfully hard for people to stumble across our little fandom. And I think we need to improve our networking so that once people find us they don't find themselves isolated and frustrated trying to get hold of episodes, zines, and other fans."
  • a fan writes: "You like [slash], or you don't. You believe the premise, or you don't. You see it for these characters, or others, or all male-male duos. It's a turn-on, a curiosity, a valid premise to write about, a gross-out — whatever. It exists. You've talked about how explicit scenes can go on too long, about psychological reasons women like "/" relationships, what I want to know is, what is your opinion of a "/" relationship for Starsky and Hutch? What do you think of those characters, either in the context of "/" or otherwise? Let's get to some commentary about Starsky and Hutch, not that I mind the discussion of slash fandom as a whole, but because this is a Starsky and Hutch publication. Some of us have read other universes (but as I've pointed out elsewhere, if all you know of slash is K/S or even B/D, it's something else again when you get to S/H) but others haven't, so the references are meaningless to them. Hurt/comfort and slash theory are fascinating topics, but after being in fandom 14 years, I guess I'm about as tired of discussing that subject as [T] is writing explicit scenes. We all like it to a greater or lesser degree (hurt/comfort or slash, friends) so why try to figure it out? As they used to say about the space program, if you have to explain it to someone, that person isn't likely to be able to understand anyway." [10]
  • a fan, bemoaning the difficulty in finding artists for zines, mentions meeting a new artist at MediaWest: "She was no Suzan Lovett, but who is? (and even Suzi's work didn't look in 1983 like it does now)."
  • a long-time fan is feeling, among other things, unappreciated: "I welcome good writing. Who doesn't? And SH fandom has been blessed with a higher proportion of 'good' writing, both S&H and S/H, than many other fandoms. I cannot be other than general on this, as I haven't read all the fan-fiction available in all the fandoms -- has anyone? -- I am merely expressing the opinions of several other readers and writers. So -- we're the tops. This should not mean we get complacent and accept everything with cries of rapture. Let's exercise our critical talents and say what we like and what we don't, and let's appreciate that honesty in others. [M's] honest LoC on Nea was appreciated, even though it was at the opposite pole to [a different M's], because she'd bothered to sit down and write it. I'm glad we were able to write something that triggered a reaction. So much disappears into the fannish Black Hole, never to be heard of again. (And that isn't a wobbly generalisation, my friends. That has been the case for most of the ten years I have been in fandom. Sometimes I wonder if anyone would even notice if I 'folded my tents like the Arabs, and as silently steal away'...)... And before anyone snorts that I should write [better fiction] myself, I will silently point at the bulk of what I have written in fandom (good grief, trees died for this!) and raise a Spockish eyebrow. Just occasionally, y'see, I'd like to read someone else's work... There just hasn't been anything — good, bad, or indifferent — since SHADOWPLAY. Or has there?"

Issue 21

Tell Me Something I Don't Know 21 was published in September 1990 and contains 56 pages. The Captain is [M F].

  • there are 20 members, two of which don't include their addresses, an oddity
cover of issue #21
  • contribution by [M R K]
  • contribution by [P M]
  • contribution by [C G]
  • contribution by [S G]
  • contribution by [T B]
  • contribution by [M B]
  • contribution by [R K]
  • contribution by [T P]
  • contribution by [S G] (there are two fans with these initials in the APA)
  • contribution by [S L]
  • contribution by [B C]
  • contribution by [D R]
  • "And Lost Again," fiction by [S G]
  • a fan comments on a letter in the previous issue, one by the acafan: "I enjoyed [C G's] interesting letter. 'Xeroxes of what has been said about S&H by the academics...' Isn't there, somewhere in Texas, a University which holds an extensive Star Trek archive? I never heard of any SH parallel. Could there be one? Over here, there's very little. There have been references to the series in a few university and college courses, but they tend to be of the oblique, foot-note kind rather then centre-stage. Occasionally, students have written extended essays on or around the subject and it has sometimes featured in dissertation themes, but not as an acceptable subject for a full academic thesis, in the published lists of registered titles. Perhaps it's time some institution copied Texas ..."
  • a fan comments on the recent "conflict" in the APA, and wonders if "this couldn't — could it? — all be part of that *little conspiracy* I was told about recently? - the one designed to 'enliven' APA discussion??"
  • the publisher/editor of the recently-published Bonaventure writes that the "APA is hardly a relevant context for printing LOCs — they take up space and get sent to contributors anyway." So, she summarizes a bunch, which are very positive
  • many clippings

Issue 22

Tell Me Something I Don't Know 22 was published in July 1991 and contains 49 pages. The Captain is [M F].

cover of issue #22
  • there are 22 members
  • the Captain apologizes for a amount of time between issues (ten months)
  • contribution by [T B]
  • contribution by [L G]
  • contribution by [J W]
  • contribution by [L G]
  • contribution by [L G]
  • contribution by [M B]
  • contribution by [A W]
  • contribution by [C G]
  • contribution by [M R K]
  • contribution by [P M]
  • contribution by [B C]
  • contribution by [L P]
  • contribution by [R K]
  • contribution by [S M]
  • a photo of some fans taken at SH:101
  • several con reports for SH:101
  • a con report for MediaWest
  • some zine flyers for a number of April Valentine's zines, including the then-recently completed Distant Shores
  • many clippings

Issue 23

Tell Me Something I Don't Know 23 was published in September 1991 and contains 25 pages. The Captain is [M F].

cover of issue #23
  • there are 21 members; three very long-time members have dropped out, there is a gain of one member
  • the Captain reminds folks that the deadline for next issue is October 26, and to send in "25 copies," but this was the last issue published
  • the Captain notes she is disappointed in the number of submissions; there is only one letter from a fan, and the rest of the APA is clippings
  • contributions by [M B]
  • contributions by [S B]
  • contributions by [B C]
  • contributions by [T B]
  • contributions by [M F]
  • contributions by [L G]
  • contributions by [C G]
  • contributions by [S G]
  • contributions by [N G]
  • contributions by [J H]
  • contributions by [M R K]
  • contributions by [R K]
  • contributions by [S L]
  • contributions by [S M]
  • contributions by [P M]
  • contributions by [L M]
  • contributions by [M M]
  • contributions by [L P]
  • contributions by [T P]
  • contributions by [J W]
  • contributions by [A W]
  • a fan writes and introduces herself: "I've begun collecting many of the S/H and S&H fiction zines,and love every single one. Now there just aren't enough hours in a day to read and write and watch it all! I was attracted to the relationship/chemistry aspect of the series from the beginning, and love seeing it so superbly enhanced via fiction. I was sincerely astounded to discover that other people were still fans of S&H just like me. It's wonderful! I'm looking forward to "meeting" more of you through APA #23. I'm always open to correspondence. It's great to participate in a fandom where the people are so warm, friendly and willing to help a newcomer to their realm. Now if only the rest of the fiction writing and reading world would take lessons from all of you, we writers would have it made!"
  • many clippings

References

  1. from an ad in Datazine #46
  2. a fan in Frienz #1 invites others to join her; the editor of Frienz adds her opinion
  3. from Frienz #22
  4. from Frienz #26
  5. This statement goes against the theory that the more copies of a zine one can print, the cheaper it is.
  6. quoted anonymously with permission
  7. quoted with permission
  8. quoted anonymously with permission
  9. quoted anonymously with permission
  10. quoted anonymously with permission