Tell Me Something I Don't Know!

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Title: Tell Me Something I Don't Know! (alternating between "Tell Me Something I Don't Know!" and "Tell Me Something I Don't Know...")
Editor(s): started by [M B], continued by [M M], then by [M F]
Date(s): 1987-1991
Medium: print
Fandom: Starsky & Hutch
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Tell Me Something I Don't Know! is a gen and slash apazine. Many fans referred to it simply as "the APA" for two reasons: there was only one Starsky & Hutch apazine, and because the title was so ungainly. A fan in the second issue said: "I have high hopes of APA. I like the title, but it's too long for me to type out everything, so I'll stick with the APA, okay?" Other fans referred to it as "TMSIDK."

There were 23 issues.

It was started by [M B], continued by [M M], then by [M F]. A fan named [A W] tried to keep the APA going, and asked for submissions for it in issues of Frienz, but "Tell Me Something I Don't Know!" did not continue.


Tired of the glassy-eyed response to your enthusiasm over what appears on the surface as a 'wise talking, hard hitting, fast action, cop show'? Want to share to share some of that 'soul, dignity, and inner flash' on a 'relationship between two men that could be anything.' Then join the APA and rap to your heart's content. [1]
To all S&H fans who would like yet another outlet for your creativity — how about joining us in the Starsky and Hutch APA? It's called "Tell Me Something I Don't Know!", and by the time you read this, issue #10 will be out. We "publish" every other month — letters, copies of articles on S&H or Paul and David that everyone sends in, etc. If you're at all interested, please SASE me at this date, we could use 6 more participants (30 is our upper limit.) Spread the word! EDITOR'S NOTE: I love the APA! It has an energy, vitality, and sharing that brings me right back to the early days of S&H fandom. It's great to get one every other month with an original artwork cover and never seen articles and pics inside. You can't go wrong becoming an active part of it. [2]

Encouragement and Support: 1987

A fan in 1987 said:
It is my hope that this APA will fill the gap that will be left when the various letterzines give up the ghost. I do hope we can keep this going so we have a source for news on S&H zines and the doings of David and Paul. We need such a "clearing house" -- a place we can turn to for information and pleasant conversation on S&H. This APA tells us the "things we don't know" as well as the things we like to hear. And it's up to us to keep the lines of communication open. The easier we make it on Maureen, the longer she'll be able to keep us in great covers and the good stuff in between. [3]

This Fandom's Letterzines

  • S and H (June/July 1979-Jan. 1983) (gen, non-explicit slash)
  • Wanna Share?? (German language) (Sept. 1995-April 1998) (gen, non-explicit slash)
  • Me 'n Thee Times (Feb/March 1999-2000) (gen and non-explicit slash)

One Zine's Beginning

Some of the zine, Convicted, was serialized in this zine, and later finished and published as a separate novel.

Also in this APA was the installments of The Huntingdon Chronicles.



From the Central Mailer, on a flyer:

A.P.A. (Amateur Press Alliance) is an internal means of communication amomg fen. Briefly, the menbers (that's you) send in a specified number of copies (let's start with 20) of their individual contributions/letters (zines) to the Central Mailer (that's me) who then collates everything together and nails out one complete set to each menber. So what we have is a letterzine of sorts. Got it? Great.

APA's are a great place to try out your story drafts, sketches, share newspaper articles, poems, etc. There are no page limits and no rules on appearance, typed or handwritten, as long as it's legible. You can make your zine as plain or farcy as you like. Give your zine a title and remember it will be collated with the others so leave me margins to work with or we'll be reading in the crack.

First zines should include some intro information, where you discovered SH fandom, your first experience with the TV show, that sort of thing. Our goal is to share ideas, favorite zine stories, S/H, other works by Paul and David, and other cop shows and male bondings.

Let's try and keep the main theme STARSKY & HUTCH. This APA isn't for general publication and will be read mostly (you know how fans share) by the members only so we don't have to worry about sounding eloquent, proper spelling, loosing our train of thought or writing in the stream-of-consciousness mode. Your only limits are your ability to have your zine reproduced 20 times the nmnber of pages you have in your zine.

I'm hoping to get at least 20 members, but if we get a large response we'll have to limit it to about 30 and start a waiting list. I've found that these things start out strong and usually settle down to a core group of participants and even these people drop occasionally and new ones add keeping things fresh.

Now the rules! There really aren't any. As far as editing. There isn't any... (which is good because I don't) you're on your own. Arguing and debating is fine. Just remember our attitudes and tolerance of others is a reflection of ourselves. Let's talk but remember Starsky and Hutch dug IDIC too.

Ground rule #1! the APA appears every other month. You are not required to contribute to every issue but if three issues go by and I haven't heard from you, a fourth issue won't be mailed to you.

#2! Postage is paid by you (let's start with $2.00). I'll also take cost of covers out of this. I'll list your balances in each issue and it's up to you to keep it up to date. The cost will go up with the size of the zine but will usually run under $3.00 per issue unless we get real talkative all at once. The bank balance will be accompanied by members addresses and a table of contents for that issue.

So... that about covers it. If you have any other questions I haven't made clear or confused you on something, drop me a line. For now, get writing and send in that introductory zine along with the postage fee and we're on our way. Looking forward to getting to know all of you.

Early Contributions

The introductory flyer encouraged members to title their written contributions and referred to these sections as "zines." For about half of the APAs, fans followed this practice. Later contributions were simply listed by their first names and give no title. The topics of the personal letters were introductions and comments about the show; they are a reminiscent of LoCs to letterzines, but much more casual, much less confrontational, and in many instances, less focused.

The majority of "contributions," especially towards the end, were clippings from whatever sources fans could find. The main topics of the clippings of this time period focused on some current professional projects that David Soul and Paul Michael Glaser were involved in, news reports of the time about David Soul's personal behavior and legal troubles involving alcohol and domestic abuse, and the revelation that the Glaser's family was terribly impacted by AIDs with the death of their daughter Ariel (in August 1988) and the social activism of Elizabeth Glaser (who passed away in December 1994, after this APA was no longer published)). A fan in September 1989 wrote: "I discovered with shock, this very depressing news item, in my local newspaper today. I could hardly believe it, but since it's the AP, I suppose it's true. I've heard nothing of this earlier -- did none of you know this?" [4]

The Editor Announces the End

In early 1993, the editor lets people know her decision about continuing the zine:
I want to thank every APA member for their financial and creative support and patience awaiting its resumption, but, alas, I've decided to cease publication, primarily because I've lost interest in and the lack of time to put together a worthy zine. I thought perhaps once I were truly settled in CA, I'd want/be able to continue the APA, but that's no longer the case. If anyone is interested in taking over "TMSIDK!" write me and maybe we can arrange a transfer of materials. [5]
In 1994, the editor wrote:
Sadly, the APA has folded. It had a marvelous run, but membership dwindled to only eight subscribers and three submissions for the latest edition, so it's time to call it. quits. I will put together a final issue of "TMSIDK!" and return balances soon. Thanks again to all who participated through the years. [6]

Issue 1 (January 1987)

Tell Me Something I Don't Know 1 was published in in January 1987 and contains 17 pages. The Captain is [M B].

cover of issue #1, artist is [M M], "There's Hutch on the phone again and Starsky styling a tribble."

There are 9 members.

[From the Captain/Central Mailer]: I want to thank all of you for getting your zines to me during the busy holiday season. Without them we couldn't have gotten the ball rolling. Thanks also to Kendra and Diana for supplying stamps.

As of the first of January we have nine members in the APA and a few who are interested in joining ish #2. Feel free to pass the word to your friends. We are going to limit membership to 30 which is a usual cut off point for APA's considering cost of Xeroxing, postage and such.

I've printed out THE PIGGY BANK to keep you abreast of the $$$ situation. I'd like for us all to keep that up to at least $3.00 considering I won't be sure of how much the postage will be so send in your change to bring your balance up. Thanks. Don't forget to give me a good left margin on your pages. (right AND left if you're printing both sides). An inch should be plenty (I'd be greatful [sic] for six inches but, oh, never mind).

RECYCLE, RECYCLE... I'd like to recycle envelopes so send a sturdy one next time you send your line then I'll send the APA back to you in the same. LABELS... I appreciate your sending 5 or so mailing labels addressed to yourselves. All this helps save on the monies and we can use it all for postage and covers. Sometimes I get a break at the printers (I used to work there) and it depends who's in the office, the boss or my old work pals. Got it? Mentioning covers I welcome covers from all members. I'm not going to be able? to dig something up for every issue. I'll have to get creative with photos and such if I run out of creative input from you and myself. TITLES...give your zines a tit1e, it'll help with the table of contents. Looking forward to our next. Should be some fresh reports showing up in the files next issue, so sign your name on the DUTY ROSTER and get your zine on the Captain's desk before the...deadline.

Summary of contents:

Issue 1: Excerpts from Contents

  • Pausin' on Starsky n' Pausin' on Hutch by [E A]: (one focus is her newly-acquired VCR and its ability to freeze frames of enticing body parts):
After dinner Maureen and I sneaked into my bedroom, where my 25" incher is, and we sat down and had a Starsky and Hutch "put it on pause" party in the most wonderful places on different episodes - especially "Murder Ward" and Starsky in his hospital pj's at the end of the episode when he tackles "Matwick". We were screamin' our heads off with laughter and sheer joy!!!!!!" [snipped] "Maureen lent me her Zebra Three fanzines and others to copy AND duped for me a video musical tape which she had and I tell you - I have not been the same since NOR do I ever want to be the same again. I play it almost every night and can't get enough of it. Am I making sense to you S&H people out there? You don't have to answer that! Who gives a Taco!
  • Whenever We Get it In Report by [G B]: (much about "character parties" (LARP):
    There's a group of us here in the Bay Area that like to get together for character (detective.) parties. My Hutch (Sandi) and our friend Kristine (Descoine), with the help of Quincy (Steve) came up with the scenario for the party in question. There had been a murder at Descoine house while he was out of town (supposedly)and S&H, being in charge of the case, asked several of their friends and such to help solve the case. ...Some of the people there were: John Steed & Emma Peel, Colombo, Magnum, Illya & Napoleon, Ben Mears & Mark [7] (me and Mark couldn't get over how much Hutch and Ben looked alike), Clarisse Lovelace & Daniel Valentine, and Remington Steele.
  • A Couple of Aces by [M B]: (her introduction to the fandom):
    My introduction into SH isn't an unfamiliar story. Nothing especially exciting about it except that it was my "first time". It was at a K/S party where I first met Kathy Resch and [Sharon G], also [Georgia B], and [Marie A]. (Marie, was writing SH back then). We sat around talking K/S zine stories and relationships — could you really see it in the show. Sharon piped up about then and said "If you want to see a relationship that is actually on the screen you've got to watch Starsky and Hutch." Starsky and Hutch??? Yeah, Starsky and Hutch. Sharon tried to explain, the hugging, the holding, the intense hurt comfort. It boggled MY imagination... on TV? I'd like to see those sometime says I, my interest piqued. It wasn't long after our gathering that my kids, always on the look out for my latest interest, called me into the room to catch the end of a SH episode, and which other should it be than "Starsky vs. Hutch". How do you interpret two men walking off with their arms around each other and a gleam in their eye after being rejected by a beautiful blonde? Whether you read it straight or "/" it was obvious that these two men loved each other. It would be many episodes later and going through the 4th season before I'd understand all the possibilities that episode represented. [snipped] We had a difficult time at the [K/S] gatherings after that. Every time we'd get together there'd always be some SH tapes to watch and trivia to talk about. Of course zines were being loaned about and suddenly it seemed that those in the group who couldn't get behind S&H were grouping together keeping the talk strictly K/S. We were mutineers. We couldn't seem to keep out the SH moments when we'd watch ST tapes. We soon started having SH parties, yet still trying to include the slow pokes. Understand, ST will always be my first love. It was there for me to give me a hope for the future beyond racial/cultural hatreds and futile wars, but I had also hidden away in a future that I would never see. Yet with S&H there were two men wearing their armour [8] of leather and detective shields, struggling in a world that all too often seemed to prove their efforts futile. The streets were familiar, the cloths and the food. The relationship was an ideal. Two men, who above all else cared about each other. I could relate.
  • Intro by [T B]: (one main topic was the original fiction universe of Vas & Dex, which this fan authored):
    I discovered [Starsky & Hutch] at the end of first season, started writing SH after reading the Max Franklin novelisations, and the rest is history. I didn't discover fandom until my partner and I had already written fourteen SH stories and realised we weren't going to find fame and fortune that way (HAH!), which spawned those bastard sons of SH, Vastarnyi and Dexter, who swiftly grew to resemble their unwitting sires hardly at all. But who did give us a great chance to explore other possibilities that might not be right for S&H. I'm a strong believer in writing to fit the canon of the show — if I want to write something that doesn't fit, I write about someone else. But that still gives us a vast amount of scope, which is a debt we owe to the characters created by the two actors. This being said, I'm also a firm advocate of S/H — not merely for the homo-erotic charge, but because I'm fascinated to see how the two protagonists would deal with the problems. My main quibble about much of the S/H being written is that once the writer has put them through the traumas of guilt and finally got them into bed, the assumption is that they'll live happily ever after. Well, they might — but the odds are most empathically not on their side. What I want to read (and therefore try to write) is how they face the problems, come to terms with the difficulties, and eventually win through. The partnership has to 'make it through the night'. But let's see some of the struggle first — it makes the eventual success so much more worth having. Not that I'm against the Good Stuff. I just think it tends to become a tad repetitive. There are only so many positions and variations on a theme, no matter how many times you've read THE JOY OF GAY SEX. I love to read about the love — but I want to see that love tested. My other failing is an inability to see '/' in the majority of the other male bondings at present in vogue. I may cry... I guess part of this problem is that I have to be able to believe in the characters and their feeling for each other — and that kind of chemistry is rare as hen's teeth. But I'm always looking for it. A bit like the Hunting of the Snark...
  • Untitled by [T D]:
    I should have learned by now to feel no surprise at the versatility of SH fandom and all the varied form it takes. Over here [in England], a new tradition has grown up within the past year or so, of SH fan meetings, just on one day, in London. Our distances are negligible compared with some of yours and there's no problem for most people in getting to the rendezvous. The SH LONDON DAYS have really become established now. They are not CONS in the way most of us would understand the word. They are just a chance for fans to meet, talk, share, trade, exchange news items and other things. We can run video-tapes if people want them, but that particular demand seems minimal now when most people have access to a VTR. You could say that SH fandom in UK now has a London headquarters, we found the ideal place: central London, very reasonable hiring charge for a very pleasant room, very good lunch, etc available on the premises, video facilities, and a most friendly and interested staff. There have been four such meetings so far in a little over a year - and three more are planned for 1987. Originally, two were proposed, but by general request the number was raised to three. One date is The Fourth of July — could there be a better choice? By then, some of the American fans should be here too — will be great to have them join us.
  • Intro by [S G]: (contains much about the LARP activity):
    I wanted to tell you about a Mystery party I went to awhile back. [Kristine T] and [Sandy R] had set up the clues and put a lot of work into this (with some help from others). Anyway, at a mystery party you go in character as your favorite detective and help solve a murder. [MUCH plot and character description snipped] There were also a few lover's quarrels (three pairs were playing their characters as "/". Starsky/Hutch, Napoleon/Illya and Ben/Mark [9]). At one time during the evening Starsky comes running out from behind the house yelling Huuuuutch!! and says he saw a vampire which Hutch of course doesn't believe. Later in the evening the group had found a lot of clues but were missing some vital ones to piece it all together. Ben and myself were in the house with some others when we heard a commotion and what we later realized was a gun shot outside. We all go running out on the deck to see what was happening and find Hutch lying in a pool of blood. Everyone was in shock, not sure what to do. Starsky went to Hutch and tried to help, asking what happened. Hutch said not to blame Descoine and some other things ending with "I love you", then died in Starsky's arms. Starsky realizes that Descoine shot Hutch and goes after him. It took 4 people to wrestle Starsky to the ground. He just knelt there holding Hutch's leather jacket, holster and gun, rocking. It was so strange to sec this happen. At first it felt like I was living a fanzine story, standing there watching Hutch die. Then I remembered my character, but to Mark it looked like Ben Mears lying there dying. I thought about what it would be like for Ben to be gone. The whole thing was great. There were only a few people in on Hutch's death so it made it even more dramatic. I also found it is very difficult to explain to most people how the highlight of a party could be watching someone die. It was really like watching a fanzine right in front of us.

Issue 2 (March 1987)

Tell Me Something I Don't Know 2 was published in March 1987 and contains 65 pages. The Captain is [M B].

cover of issue #2 -- "Stan and the Babe"

There are 7 new members, bringing the total to 16.

[editorial comments from the Captain]:Evie, Georgia, Meg, Sharon, Sandi, Kristine and Sydney made this issue special. We wish we could have shared it with every one of you. Maybe we can pull a similar event together for Z-Con and all those of you who can make it. A note of thanks to those who donated APA supplies, such as extra manila envelopes, labels, etc. It's nice to have a back up, partners!!!!!!!!!!!

Summary of contents:

  • the fresh detail a "clean" VCR recording tape can provide, the new things one sees with a bigger screen and the ability to pause the show, and how this provides much inspiration especially of the artistic variety
  • creating original characters when ones on the screen do not satisfy or have outlived their usefulness
  • having sympathy for the postal service
  • fears that ZebraCon wouldn't have enough Starsky & Hutch programming
  • a story about Starsky & Hutch in England meeting Robin of Loxley
  • meeting David Soul
  • LARPing
  • many clippings
  • Anybody's Cat, poem by [P M]
  • Seaside Lullaby, poem by [M F]
  • The Huntingdon Chronicles, part one by [C D] and [M D] (later published in The Fix #4)

Issue 2: Excerpts from Contents

  • A Couple of Aces... by [M B]:
    I'm a rural carrier... I've learned all the nitty gritty get down dirt about the functions of the Post Office and I'll never again in good conscious be able to use the term Post Awful again. I'll get off on that tangent at another time. [snipped] How many of you are seriously planning on attending Z-Con this year? ... I mentioned my fears of the con being too Professionals oriented, but Karen has assured me that there will be plenty of SH and I know she's as good as her word. Besides there's all those of us who refuse to be swayed Pro and we have a fun tine running around saying cruel things to the Pro's fans like Boobie and Boil. Sorry about that Karen, I know IDIC. IDIC. Sheesh!
  • also from A Couple of Aces:
    We did it again... A midnight to 3 am "Puttin' it on Pause". I tell you-- with that 25 incher you can see the tear filled eyes I never knew were there on Hutch in the "pushing the odds" scene from Sweet Revenge. Shall we try for 70mm next? .... Evie is responsible for much of the inspiration for the illoes I've just finished for Karen's CODE 7 #4. Especially the Sweet Revenge piece. [10] Those four little drops of blood are dedicated too, Evie, without whom I wouldn't have seen such a minute detail. Her 24 incher provides just a bit more peripheral vision. It helped with the buns too. I don't get as much bun as you do on my 18 incher. Thanks, Evie. She pointed out the blood running from Starsky's nose when Hutch lifts his head in Shootout, I have just acquired new copies of the episodes thanks to our Channel 20's recent airings and was surprised to see the blood on Hutch's hand after he's attacked in the hospital garage in Sweet Revenge. My old copy just showed a lot of red and I thought that was the red hanky he had wrapped around his hand, but you see different on the clean copy. Of course my seeming perverse fascination with blood is only in relation to the lack of bloodletting and impact shots they allowed on TV in those days. On the other hand, it's so... personal. Blood that is.
  • also from "A Couple of Aces"
    The Murder Party was more like Murder Ward with Quincy running around looking like Matwick gone insane... Play acting is great fun, especially playing your favorite characters.
  • also from "A Couple of Aces"
    ...regarding the struggles of Starksy and Hutch's relationship. Whether straight or "/" there are going to be conflicts as there are in all friendships, I think the closer two people are to one another the stronger their disagreements can be. I think there are few people we allow ourselves to work through or problems with, but it is those we are to closest to that we allow to see our worst side. I think because we know them well enough to know they will forgive us everything. I'd say Starksy and Hutch know each other that well, wouldn't you? Your title for your next zine, NO EASY ANSWERS, says it all about two people who decide to spend their life together. I don't see "/" in any other TV shows either. For that fact I don't see the male bonding either. In comparison to SH I sometimes think it will be impossible to find. I remember hearing about Miami Vice and hoping we might see something, especially what with David and Paul directing, but it just doesn't exist. You can't put something there that ain't, and that is why we are always so grateful to Paul and David for doing what came naturally, lovin' each other. [snipped] But where you can't find a relationship the next best thing is to create your own, as [T B] has with Vas and Dex. I much rather that route than trying to make something work that doesn't exist between two actors, although some people just use the characters to work from and are really maneuvering the characters to suit the writers desires.
  • Dirtball Dispatch by [G B]:
    Well I just reread the first APA and I still don't know what to say — kept I'm glad to know I'm not the only crazy person around. I've been trying to get my thoughts together on why I think Starsky is the Spock in the S & H relationship — but my brain isn't cooperating (too much work and school. I'm in my second quarter of Russian.) At first I sorta thought that Hutch would be the Spock (like in those few fanzine stories I've read), but the more I thought about it, the more I realized that Starsky fulfills the same role for Hutch, that Spock does for Kirk. It's a case of opposite sides of the same coin. (Why else would Spock've liked me [11] so much in Mixed Metaphors? He did keep wriggling his eyebrow at me!) Starsky is the balance of sanity to Hutch's intensity, just as Spock, no matter how differently, is the balance for Kirk. Starsky's joviality is as much a front as Spock's lack of emotion. Threaten their 'others' and see how quickly the pose is dropped.
  • A Word in Edgewise by [T B]:
    The character party sounds like insanity and fun in equal portions... Though I can't think of many people this side of the Pond who'd be willing to play -- or to "let the geek out" as Paula Smith so succinctly put it in the last issue of WDWTT. Shame.
  • also from "A Word in Edgewise"
    Got to thinking, recently, just how REAL those guys are. Now I grant you that a whole lot of the credit for that has to be laid at the feet of the two actors who put flesh on the bones conceived by Blinn. But there were still large chunks of Terra Incognita, and it's fanfic that fills in the maps -- often with large signs reading HERE BE DRAGONS in big friendly letters -- until the pretty images on screen are living, breathing entities.
  • also from "A Word in Edgewise"
    ... with the AIDS epidemic gaining ground, is anyone going to give [Starsky & Hutch] an even break? (Ah. Did I sense a wince or two via telepathic precognition? AIDS being a Subject Off Limits? But I'm talking about realities here, and that's real. However, if anyone ever writes a story where either one of them gets it... Let's put it this way. I haven't forgiven Armistead Maupin for BABYCAKES even yet. And I can carry a grudge a l-o-n-g time.) (Then again, if it's written right...)
  • Contribution by [T D]:
    I don't forget the generous help when the zines and the letterzines began to arrive [to me in England] from California. They were our first channel and contact to link us with SH in USA — where the real SH action was. Back in those distant days of '79, the dream began to materialize so that I made that first pilgrimage to L.A. Six thousand miles to see among other things, those legendary episodes we had only heard of...The Fix... Murder Ward... Nightmare...first step in making it possible for UK fandom to share in them too.
  • Another Fine Mess by [M F]:
    Maureen was kind enough to invite me to join in spite of my relative ignorance of this particular fandom. I may be familiar with the fan writing, but my exposure to the episodes has been severely limited (to date, approximately 7 viewed), but now that our house has finally been blessed with a VCR, hopefully ignorance won't be bliss much longer. How ever did I come to be involved with yet ANOTHER fandom... just when I promised my pocketbook (still in shock from my last visit to local xerox) that I'd refrain from such nefarious activities... Seriously, I am so very impressed with the characters. Takes courage to put something on the tube that treads on prevailing social attitudes... I'm surprised this program ever got off the ground. Personal space is not shared in our culture... ESPECIALLY not by two males.... ESPECIALLY not on network television.... Nobody (in my opinion) has managed to come close with any other TV show. I am a (very faithful) Star Trek fan who's dabbled a bit in a few other fandoms, but for sheer caring... wish the Powers That Be would take a tip from the popularity of this show. (Although I'm afraid they broke the mold when they created the characters...).
  • The Lavender Report by [S G]: (about meeting David Soul]:
    A whole big group of us went armed with cameras and pictures for David to sign. I had just finished a pencil drawing of David that [Sandi R] had commissioned me to do and she wanted me to get David to sign that, plus I had a photo of him for myself. Well, we got there and everyone was milling around talking waiting for David to show up. He entered from the back of the store (this was at a book store in the Mall). I saw this gorgeous tall blonde walk to the front of the store and my heart stopped beating. (Well, it at least skipped a couple of beats). They had a table set up for him to sit at and a line had formed. Many people were trying to think of something intelligent to say to him when it came their turn. Unfortunately I didn't have a single intelligent thought in my mind. David would shake each person's hand before he signed their picture. It came my turn, he put his pen down took my hand and held it while looking right into my eyes. Well, I was a puddle on the floor. I couldn't think. I said something about enjoying his work - acting, singing. He then asked my name to sign on my picture and I asked him to sign the drawing. I stood back to just watch him and to take pictures once I stopped shaking....I know I was glad I didn't drive I don't think I would have made it home in one piece.
ill by Ruth, dated 1976: "They sat on the couch with a couple of bears and stared at each other."
ill by Ruth, dated 1986: "Happy 10th, buddy!" and "OKAY, OKAY, SO IT'S ALMOST 12 YEARS NOW!!! Ain't that great?!?! And we still love 'em!"
  • Reminiscing by [R K]:
    I had just discovered Star Trek fandom in 1978, the first I knew there were other people in the world who loved characters on TV, and Teri White was already well into S&H. It didn't take much for her to interest me, too. I drew this picture from a photo I had tried to take from TV because I had no VCR and didn't like to be without the two lovelies to look at between episodes on the air. Remember back when it was new for you? The love we felt was fresh and exciting. Now it is a warm glow, different, but still beautiful. Back then I couldn't get enough pictures to draw from, or just to drool over. Now my collection is all over my walls -- floors, closets, shelves, cupboards.... Sure I've gone on to add other interests, that's growing, but hearts are built for love, there's always enough from somewhere for the new without losing any for the old friends in our lives. STARSKY and HUTCH -- old friends for always! It's funny, once I start thinking about S&H I don't want to stop. The memories are all good. Take Zebra Cons, for instance. I've been lucky enough to attend all of them, and I've never loved any con more, although the Paul Muni Special had the same kind of warmth and closeness that I look forward to at Z-Cons. At other cons I rarely attend panels, just seek out my friends and discuss S&H and our other interests, for to me fandom is friendship and a sharing of ideas and the pleasures we find in the episodes and stories about these caring, loving, and beautiful guys. It is always wonderful to find a kindred soul, someone else who knows what we mean when we talk about Blondie and Curly with an air of appreciation. Some fans want to keep S&H forever young, but at my age I don't mind watching them grow older, so long as they are always together. I can't see them apart. I suppose it's unrealistic, but that's what fantasies are for --to have the things we love forever. That's why STARSKY AND HUTCH will always be special to all of us.
  • Pausin' on Starsky N' Pausin' on Hutch by [E A]: ("A Reflection of Shadows and Silhouettes" -- is her analysis, using a VCR of filming techniques, of color and shadows in some episodes):
    I've always been interested in black and white/color photography and art - and I love both equally. I don't know the logistics of photography be it color or black and white - but one thing for sure - I've always believed it to be magical. Throughout S&H episodes we are treated to some pretty wonderful shadows, a few reflections and a couple of silhouettes. I really haven't seen or studied all of the episodes but of those that I have seen let me tell you what I feel and think about some of them. [snipped] What I'm trying to say here is that we live in a miraculous world that encompasses every imaginable color. I thank God for my eyes because for me to see the contrasting world of black and white in that world of color in our every day living is something that I feel very deeply about. Even more so throughout S&H episodes - the contrast of shadows against the color is what does it for me. To discover that both worlds of color/black and white can come together so terrifically in Starsky's and Hutch's world is happiness to me.

Issue 3 (May 1987)

Tell Me Something I Don't Know 3 was published in May 1987 and contains 99 pages. The Captain is [M B].

cover of issue #3

There are 6 new members, bringing the total to 20.

Summary of contents:

  • Vas & Dex
  • why contort Starsky & Hutch, Doyle and Bodie, and other characters, when one should just write original fiction?
  • comments on April Valentine's songtape
  • comments regarding The Huntingdon Chronicles
  • the "second exciting installment of" "The Huntingdon Chronicles" does not appear in this issue
  • a long report of three fans (with photo) going to see the movie "Hanoi Hilton" (one character was portrayed by David Soul), touring Los Angeles, and in doing some LARPing out side of the airport
  • a fan wants to know why there aren't more established relationship stories
  • Healing, fiction by [M L]
  • Murder on San Carmelappolis (a parody of Murder on San Carmelitas) by Ima Fool, unrelated to the 1988 ZebraCon play
  • a fan compares Star Trek to Starsky & Hutch, concentrates on power imbalances and the presence/lack of the science fiction
  • a fan wants to know why there aren't more stories about SH and AIDS, speculates how the disease would affect their lives, describes her work in an AIDS counseling clinic -- these comments were made about 14 months BEFORE it was widely known to the public [12] about the terrible ways AIDS was affecting Paul Michael Glaser's family [13]
  • there is a photo of three fans in front of a movie theater which accompanies a description of their weekend in L.A.
  • a fan describes a fan-get-together: "Cinnamon Teal Weekend" in which six fans hung out, watched tapes, talked and ate, and talked some more, and made fannish dolls do explicit things with each other
  • Dreamers (believe in magic, will chase a rainbow) by [T D] is one-page collage
  • a short description of a fan gathering where several fans flew to visit
  • Is That a Way to Treat a Convalescent? by [R K], trib that thanks many fans for their support during her illness and personal challenges
  • Partners/A Virgin in These Woods by [M M] and [J G], a long, stream-of-consciousness fan history and squee
  • Pausin' on Starsky and Pausin' on Hutch by [E A], much about a fan gathering
  • Dirtball Dispatch by [G B], handwritten personal notes
  • a hand-typed transcription of a interview by Bryant Gumbel of Michael Moriarty (topic is the movie "Hanoi Hilton"), April 17, 1987, NBC News Today
  • many clippings

Issue 3: Excerpts from Contents

  • A Word in Edgewise by [T B]:
    We didn't create V&D just to get another 'relationship' story. They grew out of S&H (Athene from the brow of Zeus?) and thereby hangs a tale. We were writing S&H long before we knew of fandom, and during one story it became abundantly clear that we weren't writing S&H (as seen on the screen) but two other guys with a passing resemblance and the same names. The question was -- who the hell were they? A little research, and there they all were in their glory (?) -- no longer mere clones, but personalities in their own right. This established, we were able to go back and write S&H according To Canon without anyone else muscling in. Or not that much.
  • more from "A Word in Edgewise":
    We can all name a story or three where the protagonists are named Starsky and Hutch, and who look very like their screen counterparts, but ... are just being used to suit the writer's desires. Thereby giving rise to that anguished cry from the reader, "But that's not my Starsky (or Hutch)!" Of course, we each see them just a little differently -- we are all individuals, and view things from different angles -- but I can think of several "universes" where my only thought is "why didn't the writer just invent her own characters rather than perpetrate this on S&H?" There could be several reasons for this -- Maybe she genuinely thingks she's writing S&H. Maybe she can't be bothered to invent or create her own pair. Maybe she thinks no one would be interested if she did. (I've been this route. I was wrong...) And there's no law saying your written characters have to conform to the Canon. I know that. But it bugs the hell out of the discerning reader -- and a bugged reader is not a happy reader. So -- the trick would seem to be to realise when your characters are slipping the leash, and either haul them back on course or let'em run... and enjoy the voyage of discovery. I've seen it in other fandoms, too -- I think PROFS is one of the worse offenders. It isn't really had for an American to write Brit, you know -- no harder than for us to write colloquial American. You just need to be able to listen to the words and the speech patterns. And have a good editor in the country you're writing about.
  • Amapola Cruise by [M B]:
    I participated in Trek fandom for ten years until branching out into SH. It's been wonderful. The last three years have been fun and I've enjoyed writing and reading about the characters we treasure. To me, they are very real, very human, two men who make mistakes, but whose integrity will not let them sacrifice what they think is right. I don't really think they can or should be compared to the characters of Kirk and Spock -- they are totally different. Kirk and Spock were born (read created) to be heroes. Starsky and Hutch are heroes made of circumstances. They don't live in the idealistic, fantasy universe that Kirk and Spock inhabit, where getting out of trouble is as easy as saying, "Beam me up, Scotty." Starsky and Hutch are stuck right here, in our world, like it or not, and they have to learn to cope and take care of the people they are sworn to serve and protect. They relate on different levels than Kirk and Spock or any other two characters, but the main difference is in their equality. Kirk outranks Spock and that sets a different tone on their relationship. Starsky and Hutch are equal, in rank and in strength. There has to be more give and take, more sharing, more intensity in their relationship.
  • also from "Amapola Cruise":
    You mention AIDS, and wonder if it's a subject that is or perhaps should be off limits where Starsky and Hutch are concerned. I, for one, really couldn't bear to read a story where one of them has AIDS. Death stories for Starsky and Hutch are much more real and immediate for me than for Kirk and Spock -- in another universe, those two will live on, but for Starsky and Hutch death is really death. [snipped] A death from AIDS is the worst suffering imaginable, I know, because I do volunteer work for our local AIDS organization... I've learned a lot and I feel I've helped a lot people to stop fearing the disease and to begin changing the behavior that does spread it. If we believe Starsky and Hutch would become lovers, the subject is bound to come up. Fandom taught me to understand and be sensitive to the issue of homosexuality and is one reason I decided to volunteer. But if Starsky and Hutch truly love each other and form a monogamous relationship following Sweet Revenge in 1979, in all likelihood, they would not have been infected by the virus that causes AIDS. Though L.A. has a high concentration of AIDS patients and the virus was arriving in the country by that year, the odds are in their favor, especially if they were sleeping exclusively with women before they became lovers. (Now, if you see them as being gay all along or sleeping around after S'Rev, that's another story.) Starsky did receive massive blood transfusions when he was shot in S'Rev, so it would be a good idea for him to have a blood test, just to make sure. ... The other way AIDS could be contracted is through the sharing of IV needles by drug abusers. But if Monk [in "The Fix"] had used a dirty needle when he was shooting Hutch up with heroin, our hero would have likely only caught a case of hepatitis, not AIDS. The virus which causes the disease did not exist in 1975 -- at least we don't think so, though it may have been mutating in some other country back then. Thus, doing an AIDS story for S and H would mean seriously questioning the relationship -- who did you sleep with that passed the virus on to you? Believing as I do that they weren't gay all their lives previous to falling in love, I can't see Starsky and Hutch participating in your typical gay, promiscuous lifestyle. Of course, they slept with plenty of women, but in '79 there probably were very few females infected, possibly only prostitutes. At any rate, speculation is interesting, but I think it would really shake the love they have between them if this question arose. I'd just rather not see them suffer the pain, the dementia, the infections, the incontinence, the wasting away that AIDS brings. If they must die, then let them die as they lived, to the limit of their potential.
  • A Couple of Aces by [M B]:
    I've often wondered where [David Soul] had seen my [fanart] before. I've sent a set of prints to Paul and David to PMG (oh, what a fantasy to think that was the connection). Then again, heaven forbid, it could have been a fanzine. Have I ever been in anything but a "/" zine?

Issue 4 (July 1987)

Tell Me Something I Don't Know 4 was published in July 1987 and contains 156 pages. It is "the Buddy Issue." The Captain is [M B].

There are 18 members.

cover of issue #4

Summary of contents:

Issue 4: Excerpts from Contents

inside page sample from issue #4, Lethal Weapon fanart, artist is Sharon D.
inside page sample from issue #4, possibly Vas & Dex fanart, artist is Sharon D.
inside page sample from issue #4, fanart, artist is Ruth Kurz
inside page sample from issue #4, fanart, artist is Ruth Kurz

Issue 5 (September 1987)

Tell Me Something I Don't Know 5 was published in September 1987 and contains 66 pages. The Captain is [M B].

cover of issue #5

There are 19 members.

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Issue 5: Excerpts from Contents

Issue 6 (December 1987)

Tell Me Something I Don't Know 6 was published in December 1987 and contains 62 pages. The Captain is [M B].

cover of issue #6, artist is [G B]

There are 23 members.

The Captain is losing a little Starsky & Hutch steam:
Well, it's always been the obvious explanation for tardiness in anything and that is usually lack of interest. I told myself when I started this APA that I would have to really discipline myself to keep to the deadlines, which I managed to do quite well with the help of [S] and [E] who were major inspirations for me. However, fandom being what it is our interests are always changing and rearranging. Now this isn't to say I've lost interest in Starsky and Hutch, it's just gone to the back burner area for now.

Current interests are shared with you fellow Beauty and the Beast fans, and although I toyed with the idea of starting a Beauty and the Beast APA I have to admit to giving up all such ideas so I can devote some serious tine to some serious income. That can fall into a lot of areas, but I think I'll start with art since it's what I'm most prepared for at this time, but I also have a few other fun ideas I want to explore and organizing then all into my life means just cutting down on some responsibilities to include others. For now as far as fandom is concerned I'm planning on being a just that and leaving the projects to others.

There was a wonderful influx of interest after the last Z-Con so I'm hoping there will be enough of it to continue the APA. All it requires (listen to her will you) is that someone coalate the various APAs's sent your way. Let me know if you're interested.

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Issue 6: Excerpts from Contents

Issue 7 (March 1988)

Tell Me Something I Don't Know 7 was published in March 1988 and contains 32 pages. The Captain is now [M M], who has taken it over from [M B]. [M M] mentions that another fan [M F] is also considering taking over.

cover of issue #7
the "piggy bank" in issue #7, all names redacted -- each issue included this feature which was a record of the APA's finances and member monies

There are now 23 members.

Summary of contents:

Issue 7: Excerpts from Contents

Issue 8 (June 1988)

Tell Me Something I Don't Know 8 was published in June 1988 and contains 59 pages. The Captain is [M M].

There are 24 members; the Captain would like to see 30 members join.

cover of issue #8
The APA has a new Captain who has just purchased a new big stapler:
I'd like to remind everyone that while S&H is a small fandom, it's a good one, and well worth any extra effort to keep it alive. I'm doing my bit by taking this on for a year, and I hope you'll all do your bit by writing in--at least every third issue, but preferably more often. I plan to concentrate firmly on S&H and DS and PMG--I won't resort to white-out on anyone's letters, of course, but please, everyone, keep our primary interests firmly in mind when you write in. And if you want to send in any articles, if you can possibly send it in early, just one copy, so I can tell you if anyone has already sent that in, for instance, or if I've copied it from my own collection for inclusion that issue, or if I feel it doesn't deal enough with our principal concerns, I'll be able to save you time, photocopy costs and postage, by warning you of any of these potential problems with things you might want to include. Also, I'll sometimes throw in flyers or whatever that someone may ask me to include (like [M B's] BATB flyer this time, and [S L's]s zine want list), so you can see them, but I won't staple them into the zine itself.

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Issue 8: Excerpts from Contents

Issue 9 (September 1988)

Tell Me Something I Don't Know 9 was published in September 1988 and contains 49 pages. The Captain is [M M].

cover of issue #9: artist is Maureen B. -- "Don't pout, Hutch. I'll let you read my copy."

There are 25 members, but only 9 of them contributed to this issue.

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Issue 9: Excerpts from Contents

Issue 10 (November 1988)

Tell Me Something I Don't Know 10 was published in November 1988 and contains 66 pages. The Captain is [M M].

cover of issue #10

There are 24 members.

Summary of contents:

Issue 10: Excerpts from Contents

Issue 11 (January 1989)

Tell Me Something I Don't Know 11 was published in January 1989 and contains 73 pages. The Captain is [M M].

cover of issue #11

There are 20 members.

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Issue 11: Excerpts from Contents

Issue 12 (February 1989)

Tell Me Something I Don't Know 12 was published in February 1989 and contains 31 pages. The Captain is [M M].

cover of issue #12

The APA has gained two new members, has about 23, but the Captain notes that it is losing members.

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Issue 12: Excerpts from Contents

Issue 13 (May 1989)

Tell Me Something I Don't Know 13 was published in May 1989 and contains 47 pages. The Captain is [M M].

cover of issue #13

There are 20 members.

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Issue 13: Excerpts from Contents

Issue 14 (July 1989)

Tell Me Something I Don't Know 14 was published in July 1989 and contains 45 pages. The Captain is [M M].

cover of issue #14

There are 20 members.

The current Captain is passing on her duties to [M F] and says all outstanding debts are not being passed on to [M F] but should be settled with [M M]:
Please remember that I won't be passing on any debts to Maria, so please look at the next page--if you have a negative balance, that amount is still owed to me. If you have a positive balance, that will of course be passed along to Maria. If you haven't paid, and we haven't heard from you, Maria will have to assume that you no longer wish to remain with the Apa, so if you want to stay with us, send money to Maria!

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Issue 15 (August 1989)

Tell Me Something I Don't Know 15 was published in August 1989 and contains 39 pages. The Captain is [M F].

cover of issue #15

There are 16 members.

The new Captain says she had to badger some fans for contributions, she also suggests folks discuss an episode or two but warns she will not publish "overt, explicit "/"."

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Issue 15: Excerpts from Contents

Issue 16 (November 1989)

Tell Me Something I Don't Know 16 was published in November 1989 and contains 36 pages. The Captain is [M F].

cover of issue #16

There are 19 members.

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Issue 16: Excerpts from Contents

from issue #16, a reprint of a photo from "National Enquirer" that a fan comments upon

Issue 17 (January 1990)

Tell Me Something I Don't Know 17 was published in January 1990 and contains 38 pages. The Captain is [M F].

cover of issue #17
art for issue #17 by [C A]
The Captain says she needs more input from members and that some of them are being financial dead beats:
HAPPY NEW YEAR to everyone! Hope "euphoric sentimentalism" was a part of the holidays for all. A new decade's upon us and I look forward to another 10 years of S&H fandom. As always, the previous APA was a pleasure. I greatly enjoy being"captain" of this worthy endeavor, but must say, I miss feedback from other members. I've asked for comments, ideas, suggestions and contributions, but only a few regulars have come through. Like Pat, who begged for submissions for Frienz, I too am pleading for more consistent participation from all APA members... I await contributions, but am only minimally satisfied with what I receive. That's not to say that everything mailed in isn't wonderful, informative and interesting, only that there are 18 members of this APA, yet only the same 6 or 7 of us actively participate each issue. As Starsk asked Hutch in Omaha Tiger: "Why aren't we talkin' to each other?" I don't at all mind putting this delightful publication together and wish I had thicker issues to send out! I'm sure members anticipate every APA; wouldn't it be more lively if everyone contributed at least semi-regularly? PLEASE PARTICIPATE! Also, not only am I faced with a dearth of submissions, but a number of members are in arrears for postage. If I don't receive back-debt funds, plus money for future issues, if interested, from those I've written to, I'll have to cancel those members' APA subscriptions with this issue. I want the APA to grow, not shrink, so please do your part if you want the APA to continue. THANKS.

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Issue 17: Excerpts from Contents

Issue 18 (March 1990)

Tell Me Something I Don't Know 18 was published in March 1990 and contains 61 pages. The Captain is [M F].

cover of issue #18

There are 18 members.

From the Captain:
Apparently, begging for submissions last issue went a long way: including myself, 11 members have contributed to #18-that's the highest level of participation ever! PLEASE keep up the good work. Special mention must go to [M R K] for her generous 17-page submission, especially the affecting tabloid article on Paul, Elizabeth & Jake. At last we get to see photos of Paul's son. In a more serious vein, I was dismayed to receive letters from several members stating they didn't have anything new to say/write about S&H! What about the pilot and 85 episodes, plus Dave & Ken's emotions and reactions in each to study, dissect and expound. There are always bits and pieces we've all overlooked in every show that we could alert one another to. We could concentrate on the tags for several APAs, or the h/c or lighter pieces. We could speculate on childhoods, occupations prior to police work, who approached who first at the police academy (and if we believe that's where they initially met). We could offer opinions on just when either or both decided the other was his dearest, most trusted friend. And how about: fave individual performance(s) in an episode, do the guys follow police procedure?, was their first assignment as partners successful? What was it?, what other Christmas gifts have Dave & Ken exchanged? fave non-h/c episode Just for starters. As far as I'm concerned, there's a plethora of topics to discuss about S&H. To feel that all possible observations have been made and that all comments stated, is to sell short S&H, fandom and ourselves. Perhaps, as [S]suggested, it'd be easier for many members if the APA were published quarterly instead of bi-monthly. Although I don't mind putting this worthy project together every other month, I'd be willing to adapt to the new schedule if a majority of subscribers consent to it. [S] also mentioned trying to have S&H re-instated on syndicated tv. I unsuccessfully tried a letter-writing campaign to bring S&H back to Philadelphia a number of years ago, but it's always worth a shot. Anyone interested?

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Issue 18: Excerpts from Contents

Issue 18: Ruth's Art Show

"I thought you might enjoy seeing some of the artwork on my upstairs walls. Most are prints now, but I still have many originals all over the house. LOTS more!!"

Issue 19 (May 1990)

Tell Me Something I Don't Know 19 was published in May 1990 and contains 51 pages. The Captain is [M F].

cover of issue #19

There were 17 members.

issue #19 contains a description of the the quilt fans have created as a fundraiser for Pediatric Aids Foundation

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Issue 19: Excerpts from Contents

Issue 20 (July 1990)

Tell Me Something I Don't Know 20 was published in July 1990 and contains 56 pages. The Captain is [M F].

cover of issue #20

The APA has gained three members, but lost two long-time members -- there are now twenty members.

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Issue 21 (September 1990)

Tell Me Something I Don't Know 21 was published in September 1990 and contains 56 pages. The Captain is [M F]. There are 20 members, two of which don't include their addresses, an oddity.

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cover of issue #21

Issue 22 (July 1991)

Tell Me Something I Don't Know 22 was published in July 1991 and contains 49 pages. The Captain is [M F].

cover of issue #22

There are 22 members.

The Captain apologizes for a amount of time between issues (ten months).

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Issue 23 (September 1991)

Tell Me Something I Don't Know 23 was published in September 1991 and contains 25 pages. The Captain is [M F].

cover of issue #23, uses a publicity photo that some fans called The Wedding Photo

There are 21 members; three very long-time members have dropped out, there is a gain of one member.

The Captain notes she is disappointed in the number of submissions. She reminds folks that the deadline for next issue is October 26, and to send in "25 copies," but this was the last issue published

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Issue 23: Excerpts from Contents


  1. ^ from an ad in Datazine #46
  2. ^ a fan in Frienz #1 invites others to join her; the editor of Frienz adds her opinion
  3. ^ from Ruth Kurz in the fourth issue
  4. ^ from Tell Me Something I Don't Know! #16
  5. ^ from Frienz #22
  6. ^ from Frienz #26
  7. ^ Ben Mears and Mark are characters in the Stephen King movie "Salem's Lot" which starred David Soul.
  8. ^ A lovely typo that is a bit like "amour" and "armor" put together.
  9. ^ Ben and Mark are characters from the movie "Salem's Lot." Ben is an adult. Mark is a child.
  10. ^ "Delivered to Me"
  11. ^ "Me" is a reference to how this fan identifies and role-plays as the character Starsky.
  12. ^ Ariel Glaser passed away in August 1988.
  13. ^ See Elizabeth Glaser
  14. ^ This zine was never published. See Proposed Zines.
  15. ^ This zine was never published.
  16. ^ What fans didn't know, of course, as the actor was struggling with terrible personal problems regarding the health of his family members due to AIDS.
  17. ^ This poem was actually in The Pits #2.
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