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New K/S Fanfiction Template

Should I go a head and start using this now? --Mrs. Potato Head (talk) 13:34, 19 January 2013 (UTC)

Yes!--æþel (talk) 03:14, 20 January 2013 (UTC)
I'm feeling a bit of a pinch with this as I can't easily continue working on my project of adding K/S fiction comments (aka I came to a screeching halt) until all those templates are switched. I "fixed" A, B, and C fiction this morning. Do they look good enough? --Mrs. Potato Head (talk) 16:07, 20 January 2013 (UTC)
It looks fine! I'm starting from Z and will see how much I get done tonight.--æþel (talk) 02:01, 21 January 2013 (UTC)
I'm curious. You've been replacing what to me looks like "Kirk's" with "Kirk's," in other words what looks like the same thing. Why is that? --Mrs. Potato Head (talk) 01:25, 22 January 2013 (UTC)
I think those were some non-standard curly apostrophes; they look like gibberish in Firefox 3.6. --æþel (talk) 01:36, 22 January 2013 (UTC)


I had been looking up how to tag properly (and spell 'hijinks') and you fixed it! Thank-you, thank-you.

You're welcome, and thanks for adding to the page! There's a cheat sheet here with more wiki code.--æþel (talk) 17:18, 3 March 2013 (UTC)

New Template and Category

There is enough for a new category, plus I have a rough list of about 200 more candidates I'd like to add, for "Interviews With Fans." I'd also like to combine "Oral Histories" in this category . How best to name it? "Oral Histories and Interviews With Fans"? Something else? I'd like to request a template, too, before I get too far with this project. Can you assist? --Mrs. Potato Head (talk) 21:04, 19 August 2013 (UTC)

I made the template: Template:Interview. I think the category needs to be called Interviews by Fans to match surveys by fans. Could you give an example of an oral history page on Fanlore? I am not sure that it would fit with interviews as a fanwork type.--æþel (talk) 21:50, 19 August 2013 (UTC)
I'm focusing on interviews OF fans conducted BY fans, rather than fans interviewing celebrities. I'd like the title to match Surveys by Fans, too, but if we go with Interviews by Fans, I think it could be confusing, at least concerning the scope I'm thinking of. As per Oral Histories, I'm thinking of the ones done by Morgan Dawn and Franzi, as I'm anticipating adding those as we transcribe them. Or perhaps those should be called interviews, too? One example of an oral history is "Reminisce With Me" by Nancy Kippax. They are like interviews, as she talks about fannish experiences, though there isn't an official "interviewee," rather a series of topics/questions she answers in each section. As you can tell, I'm struggling with all this a bit. --Mrs. Potato Head (talk) 22:27, 19 August 2013 (UTC)
I'm not sure it's a good idea to combine primary source materials, articles about fanworks that are interviews, and projects into one category, though we certainly could. It could be called "Oral Histories & Interviews". Reminisce With Me is an autobiography and wouldn't fit in an "interviews" only category. However, if Fanlore ends up with a lot of pages that consist of oral history transcripts, we might want to give them their own category instead of lumping them in with articles about a published interview. In fact, we already have a page like that, Fanlore Live, and never had a good place to put it because we don't have any categories for primary sources. Same problem with Reminisce With Me. If we had a "Primary Sources" or "Oral Histories" category and took "oral" metaphorically, we could solve a lot of problems.
Another issue to consider is where the category would fit. A combined "Interviews & Oral Histories" could fit under "Category:Fan Activities." "Interviews with/by Fans" alone could go under Fanworks and under Non-fiction Writing.--æþel (talk) 23:26, 19 August 2013 (UTC)
"Primary Sources" is a good term. It covers both oral and written sources, after all, and therefore subsumes oral interviews, written interviews (e.g. a mail Q&A), and written/taped autobiographies. --Greer Watson (talk) 20:26, 20 August 2013 (UTC)

two pages

aethel, can you help figure out what happened with these two pages? --Mrs. Potato Head (talk) 02:37, 11 November 2013 (UTC)

no problem!--æþel (talk) 00:02, 12 November 2013 (UTC)
Thank you. --Mrs. Potato Head (talk) 00:39, 12 November 2013 (UTC)

Hockey article

Thanks for tidying that up! It looks great. - Silverbeet (talk) 05:49, 10 January 2014 (UTC)

You're welcome! Thanks for contributing so much to the page!--æþel (talk) 03:24, 11 January 2014 (UTC)

Relationship Template & Categories

Thanks so much for fixing up the RelationshipProfile template and the categories! That will make the site much more welcoming. ♥ -the old briar pipe (talk) 01:10, 18 July 2014 (UTC)

No problem :) Someone might still want to change the fandom-specific subcategories to match.--æþel (talk) 01:12, 18 July 2014 (UTC)
Finished the Category:Harry Potter Relationships. I had to make a whole new category and then reedit all the HP pairings pages, is there an easier way to this?--Harpie (talk) 05:25, 18 July 2014 (UTC)
If you know how to create a script/bot. There aren't any faster tools already set up for the wiki.--æþel (talk) 02:11, 19 July 2014 (UTC)

Canon NB Character page

Hey, I'd love to at least start a page for canon non-binary characters and the shipping thereof, but kind of stalled out at figuring where it would fit in fanlore's category structure. It seems both inaccurate and potentially offensively reductive to put it in the Tropes section. It occurred to me that it would be comparable to a page for "Characters of Color," but I checked and the "Of Color" page is just a glossary page, while a lot of the meatier info is on the Race in Fandom page. So that doesn't really fit either. And going down the sitemap, I just don't see where it would fit naturally -- it combines elements of Fan Activities (the shipping) & Fan Communities (the canon characters). Plus, with the amount of information I currently have (not much) the page I could make right now would basically just be a list -- non-binary (and maybe also trans) characters in canon, plus ships I'm aware of with them. A page should ideally have meta info too -- does fandom embrace or ignore trans/nb characters, which fans tend to engage with those characters, how do portrayals of those characters/reactions to those characters in fandom compare to things like transfic and genderbending, etc. -- but I don't have any idea where those discussions take place, if they do. Anyway, do you have any suggestions? --PhoenixFalls (talk) 20:03, 31 August 2014 (UTC)

Genderqueer Characters in Fanworks or Genderqueer Characters and Fandom? We tend not to have separate pages for canon vs. noncanon characteristics, but Genderqueer Characters and Fandom would enable you to talk about meta on canon genderqueer characters.--æþel (talk) 15:40, 11 October 2014 (UTC)
BTW, I apparently don't know the meaning of genderqueer, as it seems non-binary is broader? We're looking at how to build more gender-related pages over here.--æþel (talk) 00:30, 2 February 2015 (UTC)

Blaine Anderson page

I hate to ask but if you have a moment, could you possibly please see if you still think the amount of canon history included is excessive? It would really help me out. I've whittled it down quite a bit, and made fandom connections a little more apparent, but being new to the wiki it's quite hard to determine where exactly the line is. Thank you for your help! Likefallingsand (talk)

Figuring out how much canon to include is tricky, and we don't have solid guidelines on how much is too much. We have a help page here. It's probably ok for now. I snipped a bit more off, but I gather the remaining plot points do show up in a lot of fanfic? I got the impression from another Klaine shipper that Blaine's emotional issues in season 4 and 5 were definitely explored in some fic; if so, you could add a section about it under "Fanon and Fanfic Trends". I bet there was a lot of fan reaction meta and fic in response to the breakup episode that could get written up, though the topic would fit better on the Klaine page.--æþel (talk) 23:49, 24 September 2014 (UTC)
Great! Yeah, the outline of the Klaine relationship and the canon origins of the Sam and Sebastian ships seem like they need to be mentioned at a minimum. But you're absolutely right, Blaine's mental health is definitely another trend/trope/thingy. Fan response to the breakup could almost be a whole article if I really got far enough into the rabbit hole. But that's definitely better suited to the Klaine article. Thanks for the advice! Likefallingsand (talk)

Hobbit Movie Page

Thanks so much for fixing the trope links! <3 -the old briar pipe (talk) 03:31, 22 February 2015 (UTC)

No problem. Thanks for adding all the Hobbit tropes!--æþel (talk) 01:40, 24 February 2015 (UTC)


Can you restore that massive page that I just think I deleted!! So Your Fic is Required Reading: Hahahanope/Comments: Tumblr. I was trying to rename it So Your Fic is Required Reading: Hahahanope/Comments: on Tumblr. --MPH (talk) 00:48, 24 February 2015 (UTC) Jeez, never mind. I must have messed up my search somehow, or perhaps didn't hit refresh, or something. Just ignore this... *slinks off* --MPH (talk) 00:50, 24 February 2015 (UTC)

It's possible the search lags a bit and doesn't show newly created pages?--æþel (talk) 01:40, 24 February 2015 (UTC)

Problem with the Forums/Message Boards template?

I think there's an issue with the moderator's/maintainers field of the forum template? No matter what I try, I can't get any text to show up in that part of it, i.e. Dancing Dove. Sorry if you aren't the right person to ask about this! --caitiedid (talk) 21:30, 30 July 2015 (UTC)

I am a right person to ask! The moderator field name didn't match--should be fixed now. Thanks for noticing!--aethel (talk) 23:12, 30 July 2015 (UTC)
Yay! Thank you so much! :) --caitiedid (talk) 23:59, 30 July 2015 (UTC)

Academic Organisations Template?

I was thinking of writing an entry for the Science Fiction Foundation since I've mentioned it in the Business Meeting entry, but it's an academic organization and all of the organizations I've looked at so far use the Fanclub template. Is there something that relates more to academia? Mrs. Potato Head suggested I ask you. --Marcus Rowland (talk) 23:09, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

Template:OrganizationCorporation is meant to be the generic template for this sort of thing. You can add Category:Academia manually. Let me know if it doesn't work.--aethel (talk) 22:49, 5 August 2015 (UTC)
OK, many thanks! --Marcus Rowland (talk) 11:30, 6 August 2015 (UTC)

Team Starkid templates?

hey aethel, I'm interested in working on pages for Starkid Productions and probably for some of their shows, at least the Very Potter Musicals. Would Template:OrganizationCorporation be the right template for Starkid, and Template:EventProfile for the shows, do you think? - Shannon (talk) 20:40, 14 August 2015 (UTC)

It would depend on the purpose of the page. The Very Potter Musicals seem like fanworks, but are also listed as a fandom on AO3. Likewise, Template:OrganizationCorporation would be appropriate for Starkid, though it could also get some fandom categories[1]. Do the other shows have fan followings? If so, they would get a fandom template and our rarely used Category:Theater. If not, we do have a professionalworks template for works that aren't fannish and don't have their own fandoms, but are relevant to fandom. Template:EventProfile gets the category Fandom Occurrences, so if it's not a fannish event, it shouldn't get the template.--aethel (talk) 22:06, 14 August 2015 (UTC)
Okay, the AVPM fandom looks pretty small and I’m not really actively involved with it, so I think i’d put them in fanworks for HP, and hopefully in the future if someone knows more about the Starkid/AVPM fandom, they can fill in? Their other shows most relevant to fandom are their parodies of Aladdin and Batman, and they have extremely small or no real fandoms of their own, so also fanworks. [2] Thanks for helping out! It's gonna take me a while to get the hang of this, it seems. x.x - Shannon (talk) 22:39, 14 August 2015 (UTC)

Template for a semi-pro publisher?

I want to write something about Beccon Publications, a small publishing house which has published quite a few fannish works (filk books, Drabble collections, etc.) but also publishes critical and academic books etc. I don't think it quite falls into the fanzine publisher category because it's a semi-pro business, I was wondering which template would be best. Any suggestion? --Marcus Rowland (talk) 20:48, 21 August 2015 (UTC)

Sorry, I'm an idiot - it's OrganizationCorporation again, isn't it! --Marcus Rowland (talk) 20:55, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
OrganizationCorporation template is fine. You can add the zine publisher category on as well.--aethel (talk) 21:41, 22 August 2015 (UTC)

Citation needed?

Thank you (on behalf of original author) for making that change from statement to descriptive. I completely glossed over it. Would one option have been to put a [citation needed] tag on the sentence? Show from whence the statement cometh? Bobdog54 (talk) 23:54, 16 March 2016 (UTC)

Are you referring to this sentence I removed, or to a different edit? --aethel (talk) 01:19, 18 March 2016 (UTC)

Meta Date Discussion

aethel, what are your thoughts on making single year meta categories? There's a discussion at Talk:Meta. --MPH (talk) 16:41, 12 December 2016 (UTC)


I made a category for Yahoo! Groups, but I fear I've not done it correctly. The same for Buffyverse Mailing Lists. If you have a chance, can you take a look at them? --MPH (talk) 14:15, 31 October 2019 (UTC)

Those categories both look fine! I fixed the sorting on a few other categories I spotted.--aethel (talk) 19:04, 2 November 2019 (UTC)
Oh, good. Thank you, aethel. --MPH (talk) 23:09, 2 November 2019 (UTC)

Stub September

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Hi Aethel, thanks for adding to the stub page Overtagging. Please accept this shiny new badge and keep up the great work. --[[User: eliadan|eliadan]] (talk) 18:05, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

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Hi again Aethel. Thanks for making the stub page Graying of Fandom. Here is another new badge for your work and happy editing :D --eliadan (talk) 19:49, 19 September 2021 (UTC)


user:aethel, do I get a notification when I at myself?--aethel (talk) 18:03, 18 December 2021 (UTC)

Heaven Official's Blessing

Hi, and thanks for the edits on Heaven Official's Blessing - I've recently gotten into the fandom and want to update some pages for it. But I don't want to trip over you if you're still editing. - Elf (talk) 04:41, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

I have some vague ideas of things to add, but I don't have sources lined up, so if you've got something specific in mind, you should go for it. I'm also in the middle of a reread, so my attention is split. :) My vague thoughts: needs more fanwork examples, more/updated info on shipping, needs something about fan interest in the novel vs. the donghua? There might be more on fandom reaction to the fan or official translations, but I don't have anything on hand. I was also thinking about adding one or more of these graphs to the page, but those could be slotted in at any time.--aethel (talk) 21:10, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

Stub September 2022

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Thanks for helping with a stub for Stub September!


MomeRath (talk) 04:39, 18 September 2022 (UTC)

Hi Aethel, thank you very much for finding and putting the correct template on Elrohir (Tolkien)! Please accept this shiny new badge for your great work:
I wish you happy editing :D SecurityBreach (talk) 00:13, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
Hi Aethel, thank you so much for going the extra mile this stub September! Really impressed that you followed the links from Ben Whishaw to James Bond/Q and created a redirect. Have a badge! --Auntags (talk) 21:57, 22 September 2022 (UTC)


Hi again, thank you so much for adding a new category to Inna Puchkin! Please accept your fourth badge as a reward:
SecurityBreach (talk) 00:57, 24 September 2022 (UTC)

2023 IFD Fanlore Challenge

Greetings Aethel! Thank you so much for creating the Junzhe Extended Universe page. Here's a flower-like badge for your bouquet 😊 -- Aerlko (talk) 03:59, 21 February 2023 (UTC)

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Thanks for your work covering the Russian AO3 Ban

Thanks for all the work you've done tracking down discussion of the Blocking of AO3 in Russia. It's an important story, and I've seen you putting a lot of work into the page. I've been to tired to do a proper read-through recently but I'll try to get there soon to see if I can help with anything (definitely not translation, unfortuantely, but maybe sourcing or finding context for some of the things you asked about on the talk page... idk we'll see). -- Quaelegit (talk) 10:37, 24 April 2023 (UTC)

No problem. It's been very educational.--aethel (talk) 00:18, 25 April 2023 (UTC)

Stub September 2023

Hi Aethel, thank you very much for participating in this year's Stub September challenge and also for posting the template on your user page. Please accept your first lovely dinosaur themed badge for creating the stub anon1d. I wish you happy editing! SecurityBreach (talk) 23:12, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

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Also thank you for adding an internal link to a stub! Thank you so much for working on Timeline of One Direction Fandom. SecurityBreach (talk) 23:20, 13 September 2023 (UTC)
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Hi Aethel, congratulations on your third Stub September badge for de-stubbing the Timeline of One Direction Fandom page! - MomeRath (talk) 01:59, 16 September 2023 (UTC)

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Thank you very much for adding content to Cookleta (LJ community). Please accept another lovely dinosaur themed badge for your great work. I wish you happy editing! SecurityBreach (talk) 23:39, 16 September 2023 (UTC)

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Hi Aethel, congrats on adding enough to the Zhang_Zhehan page to remove the stub tag on it! Please accept this dino as a badge for completing all 5 tasks for this Stub September! -- FBV (talk) 11:51, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

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thank you for edits to Jiang Cheng's page!

Hi Aethel, I've had "archive links to meta articles" on my "to do list" because I do love pondering meta about the nuances of the Yunmeng Jiang sect leader, and when I was seeing what to tweak on my User page for the IFD Challenge Day 1 (to add to my user page), I noticed you archived these links, thank you so much! I'm relieved. Joanna R (talk) 01:19, 12 February 2024 (UTC)

Danganronpa ship redirects, thank you Aethel

Thank you for making redirects to the Danganronpa ship pages I've made! I'll see if I can finish the redirect job when I get back to making more of those... --Cavewomania (talk) 23:33, 24 February 2024 (UTC)