Talk:Blanket Permission to Podfic

Very Unwieldy

This page seems very unwieldy now with less than 300 names. I consolidated some identical cites, but there's a bunch of similar cites to the same post but particular comment threads--should we consolidate those simply to the post and let interested parties find the particular comment if they need to? It seems like all the info the interested party would need is here on this page anyway. Alternately should we think about making some of these cites simple in-line links or the non-footnoted numbered links? --facetofcathy 15:36, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

I think consolidating to just the post would be a good idea. If it's still too unwieldy after that, numbered links might be the way to go. --Doro 15:45, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

Personally, I think the linking to the specific comment with the permission is important since podficcers are using this page as a practical way of getting information and then getting in touch with authors. Many of the author comments (which I didn't include in my quotes) include links of where to find their fics, which ones may have already been podficced already, and other information that can be relevant to podficcers. Also, many authors ask to be notified when something of theirs has been podficced and it's common for podficcers to leave a comment in response to their blanket permission statement. Removing the links directly to that comment would make podficcers do a lot of extra work and would remove a lot of the usefulness of this entry.

Furthermore authors sometimes change their stance on blanket permission. They may not know that this entry exists to edit it, but they will edit where they originally left permission, so by removing the comment links, we're less likely to catch those changes and this list may become inaccurate and cause problems for the podficcers using it. --paraka 17:00, 23 June 2011 (EDT)

Okay, thanks for answering. I was really hesitating to do anything because I didn't want to assume or to override all that work. The page is technically at the size where it's giving us the "you might want to shorten this" message, but we've successfully ignored that in the past, so I'm not too concerned about that. I put in headings so it's navigable by alphabet from the TOC, so the issue of scrolling around a really long page is somewhat mitigated. If we need to at some point, we can make those direct links inline links, since there's really no reason that I can see that they must be footnotes, thereby preserving the link to the specific comment. --facetofcathy 23:57, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

Multiple pseuds problem

What are people's thoughts on multiple pseuds for one person? Right now they're listed under one main pseud, with (aka [[alt pseud 1]] aka [[alt pseud 2]] etc.) listed directly after. While this is totally fine for someone like hl (aka hlbr aka hele), whose pseuds are very similar and all right next to each other in the list alphabetically...if I was not familiar enough with this list to know to do a page search for a username, I might just check under the first letter of the username I'm familiar with. (Indeed, before I got savvy, that is how I used this list.) This is doubly true for cases like sneaky_sena, who has stated that she has no problem with her old geekwriter143 pseud being connected to her current one, but that connection isn't publicly stated anywhere obvious, and isn't relatively common knowledge like pandarus/Fayjay. (In fact, when I wanted to podfic one of the stories posted on the old geekwriter143 journal, it took me MONTHS to track her back to her current username.)

My proposed solution to this is to add the alternate pseuds into the list as their own entries (leaving the aka notes), but instead of duplicating the quote and ref, just putting "[[alt pseud]] (see [[main pseud]])". HOWEVER, I realize this list is getting rather long and unwieldy as it is. Here's my question: would the usefulness of this addition outweigh the extra length? What do y'all think? --Bessyboo 08:02, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

new page for the topic

I think this page wants to be two different things: a list and a discussion about the topic associated with the list. The list is enormous in itself, but there's also been a lot of meta and discussion about permission and podfic that could be documented. Plus, it is now far more common for people to have a blanket statement, so we could write about that. If no one else volunteers, I'll start something for Podfic Permission.--æþel (talk) 22:21, 1 April 2013 (UTC)

I am not sure Fanlore should be maintaining a list of permissions. (If we do, I agree it should be split out into a separate page.) I get that this sort-of parallels Professional Author Fanfic Policies, but unlike pro author policies, fanfic author permissions are likely to change without notice; permission could be revoked on a blog and Fanlore wouldn't know about until someone came here to change things.

Also, with the Pro Author Policies, permission or lack thereof is not binding: It is the OTW's stance that fanfic is, for the most part, legal, regardless of the consent of the original author or publisher. Knowing their stated opinion does not change whether fanfic is allowed. Whether podfic is legal under the same rules, it's a different setting: podficcers are in the same communities as the authors of the fics they work on, and knowing whether there's consent is crucial to their participation in those communities. I don't think Fanlore should be encouraging people to use constantly changing lists that may be out of date. I don't think Fanlore should be a "check here for current info" hub. --Elf (talk) 01:41, 30 October 2023 (UTC)

blanket statements other than yes or no

This question came up on twitter recently, and given that the page generates warnings every time I go to edit, I recommend that we make a separate page for pro-podfic statements that don't give a blanket yes or blanket yes with caveats. (Basically, statements that say "ask, and I'll probably say yes".) I also think these statements don't constitute "blanket permission" though they are blanket statements. I removed these from this page, and they could go on a new page. (I don't know what that page would be named... Podfic-Friendly Blanket Statements?)

• deirdre_aithne "I'd like to be contacted before anything gets recorded, and to listen to the podfic prior to posting, but I'm negotiable. The only thing I really ask is that if you want to do one of my fics, please give me the link to it once it's been posted."
• Naraht, "I am enthusiastic about the idea of fanworks being based on my writing and am likely to give permission, but please contact me to discuss the details. I won't consider you to have committed to anything by asking!"
• pandemon_ium "I prefer to give my permission case-by-case... I'd like to listen to the podfics before they get posted, and preferably would like to be contacted for permission before they're made. Otherwise I'm easy."
• Pookaseraph "I'm a huge fan of transformative works, so if one of my fics strikes your fancy to translate, podfic, or even remix, please drop me a line and I'll be thrilled. I don't bite and I'm really quite friendly!"
• wldnst "About permissions: I am generally happy to grant permission to podfic or remix my work (or anything else people do, I don't know), but I would prefer to be contacted beforehand. I promise you, it's quick and painless, I just like to know what's going on."

For the time being, I left in a few that specified notifying the author before posting (or even recording?), but also seemed to imply blanket yes. --æþel (talk) 20:06, 15 September 2013 (UTC)

What I do is have AO3's "Podfic Welcome" tag on most of my stories that are posted there. I haven't made a specific statement, but I think it's reasonable for a pod-ficcer to assume that if I use this tag on a story I'll welcome a podfic, if I don't they should ask and may be told no. At the moment I have this tag on most of my stories, the exceptions are incomplete works, ficlet collections, works based on other author's fanfic, and other special cases. --Marcus Rowland (talk) 01:59, 26 January 2018 (UTC)

Don't Know What to Title Section

I'll first admit I am not into Podfics nor the fandom surrounding them so maybe I am out of touch with the content of the page. But my thoughts upon seeing a long alphabetized list of "yes podfic" and "no podfic" was "hey, shouldn't this be on a master list on AO3 or Tumblr instead of being host out of an article for a Podfic glossary phrase?" Instead of talking about the glossary term itself and maybe showcasing a few examples of usage it looks like it's become a small Podficer's Yellow Pages. If this "article" continues to be edited with new names it's going to keep ballooning in size, even though it's mostly just... names next to a "yes" or "no." I guess it's useful for Podficcers to find out if an author allows podficcing, but I just thought it a strange thing to find on an article. I imagine I don't have much say in a community I'm not in, I just thought I'd share my confusion and thoughts on the talk page. Patchlamb (talk) 22:59, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

I just came here to raise the idea of splitting the authors list off on its own, separate from the glossary page, so that the latter will load quickly for anyone who's just looking up the definition. So, yes. I'd like to keep the list on Fanlore, though, I think it's more stable than Tumblr or google docs, and i AO3 would make it hard for anyone to add new authors -- Quaelegit (talk) 06:14, 24 November 2022 (UTC)

There is already a section further up suggesting splitting the list off onto its own page, although it's not progressed in a number of years, and that sounds like a reasonable solution here. I am into (although not a creator of) podfics, and this has been the stable home for this information for well over a decade (and includes non ao3 creators) and the controllable edit nature of the site very much suits that purpose as a non fandom specific central repository for fandom information (Podfic isn't a fandom, it's a creative medium through which some creators create for their fandoms) -- wenchpixie (talk) 206:50, 25 November 2022 (UTC)

I opened this up to add a fanwork about the concept of blanket permission for podding, and was really surprised to find a list! It's difficult to scroll through, even if you're just skimming to check if there's any more content at the bottom. I did a little search through a podfic making discord server i was in and did find a link to this, but it doesn't seem to be a frequent resource. do you think it would work to rename this page (and Blanket Permission to Translate) to "List of Blanket Permission to Podfic" and "List of Blanket Permission to Translate" (and leave a redirect from this title to the renamed page)? We could split off the rest of the descriptive introduction onto Blanket Permission, so that that is the page which serves as the glossary and explanation of the terms (or put even more of it into Podfic Permission which i see someone on this page made! - Distracteddaydreamer (talk) 13:01, 7 June 2023 (UTC)

Agree. This would be a good use of the list template! And if podfic communities are using this as a resource it makes sense to have the redirect. I could move it myself, but I'll add the Attention Gardeners flag so more people can review the proposal before its actioned. --Auntags (talk) 18:14, 7 June 2023 (UTC)

Hello again, I was planning to move this page to List of Blanket Permission to Podfic, but I'm not sure where to put the intro. We already have Blanket Permission and Podfic Permission articles, so an additional glossary page seems unnecessary. Does anyone have a preference for where the intro should live? --Auntags (talk) 16:38, 2 July 2023 (UTC)

I would make Blanket Permission to Podfic a disambiguation page and link to Blanket Statement, Podfic Permission, Permissions, and the new list page name. However, the proposed name sounds a little awkward, and there's also a similar page for Blanket No to Podfic. Would Blanket Permission to Podfic List be acceptable? As for the intro section here, I think the "Blanket Permissions, etc." section on the Podfic Permission page could be reworked to include it.--aethel (talk) 00:28, 1 October 2023 (UTC)

Oh wow, this this kind of mess. There's (at least) TWO list pages?! Can we combine them? Anyways, for the new proposed list page I would prefer to forefront "List" in the title, like we do for lists of ship names. I think it will make it clearer which pages are for explaining the concept and which are for listing authors' permission statements. If you don't like List of Blanket Permission to Podfic how about List of Podfic Permission Statements or List of Author Podfic Permission Statements? -- Quaelegit (talk) 20:04, 14 October 2023 (UTC)

This page as it currently exists is intended to be a list of blanket yeses; podficcers created this page as a resource for finding authors who can be podficced. If we folded in the Blanket No page, we could have two separate sections: Blanket Yes, Blanket No. Your list of proposals might work. This header was removed from the page a few months ago, but I think List of Authors Who Give Blanket Permission to Podfic is also pretty clear, or List of Authors With Podfic Permission Statements if Blanket No's are included. However, the idea of using Fanlore to track permission statements has spread beyond podfic: Blanket Permission to Translate, Blanket Permission To Fanbinding.--aethel (talk) 22:43, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

jeez, that is a lot.. Would it be an idea to turn Permissions into a disambiguation page linking out to all related pages? Because the Permissions page we currently have overlaps a lot with blanket statement and already has links to most of the pages you've both highlighted.

I like the List of Authors who give Blanket Permission to [X] format for page names because its clear. And maybe List of Authors who do not allow [X] for the NO lists. I also think any list needs a disclaimer at the top of the page, making it very clear that these are incomplete lists, because we're never going to be able to document all blanket permissions. --Auntags (talk) 23:01, 9 February 2024 (UTC)

Preventing Link Rot

Hello, so the links on this page don't have an archive link (mostly) and because there's no notes here about if they were already sent anywhere for capture, I went ahead and extracted 1460 URLs from this page, into a text file, as a list.

I was wondering if anyone who has a Google account and Web Archive account (or is willing to make one) would be willing to handle these links by the method noted here at 'Internet Archive Google Sheets Service': https://www.sucho.org/ia-gsheets - Citrine said that the text file should be transferable to a Google sheet by: "if it's each link on a separate line, you can just copy the entirety of the text, click the A1 cell in the google spreadsheet, and then hit paste, and each link will be on its own cell in the same column." If this has already been done, though, and we feel safe that these links have been archived, no worries! I'll just get rid of this text file. -JadedPrism (talk) 05:22, 29 June 2023 (UTC)

Great suggestion. Here are basic instructions on the two methods if anyone cares to tackle the project. Email vs Google Sheets. If one fails, you can always try the other method. https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Kq9WqLtpM4dfi5ra9sqbI4rlxg03nsIf3mUGIvMGRD0/edit?usp=sharing MeeDee (talk) 18:17, 29 June 2023 (UTC)

No promises on the timescale, but I do have a google account and an Internet Archive account, I will try to look into helping with this! -- Quaelegit (talk) 20:08, 14 October 2023 (UTC)

Page Reorganization to split off the list

Proposed reorganization of this page: We take the long list of permissions and move them to a new list page that indicates that it is a list. The current page will focus on explaining the concept, and will include a prominent link to the list page. The new list page will also make it clear that this page is not being confirmed or maintained. This will allow for this page about the concept to be compact, for us to preserve the historical data, and make it clear it is a not-that-well-maintained historical document. -- FBV (talk) 00:37, 14 November 2023 (UTC)

Yes - As I proposed it, I am in favor of this and I think it is a pretty simple fix that doesn't lose any data. The list page would be named something like List of Authors Who Give Blanket Permission to Podfic as suggested above. -- FBV (talk) 00:39, 14 November 2023 (UTC)

Yes - with the addition that people are still welcome to add their names to the new "List" page and that it is up to individual authors to update and maintain going forward.MeeDee (talk) 00:42, 14 November 2023 (UTC)

Sounds reasonable to me, and this would have the extra advantage that it makes it clear that we're not actively maintaining it as well. -- FBV (talk) 00:46, 14 November 2023 (UTC)

Yes Agree with all above. Distracteddaydreamer (talk) 07:45, 14 November 2023 (UTC)

Agree with the split, but... The list page and other historical pages should be made part of an Archive namespace, ala TV Tropes. Archived pages should not be in the mainspace; it's confusing to casual readers. Pinky G Rocket (talk) 01:53, 9 February 2024 (UTC)

Yes And from Meedee's note above, I think the page would still be available for editing. So we're not actively maintaining the page - we're not saying it's a comprehensive list of all authors who give blanket permission - but editors can still add new authors to the list. For that reason, I think it should stay in the main namespace. --Auntags (talk) 20:08, 18 February 2024 (UTC)

Yes Bringing this discussion back — I think it's worth keeping it in the main namespace for now, if only because we don't currently have an archive namespace to put it. It can always be moved at a later date, but I don't want that to be a hold-up on updating the page. - Castille (talk) 01:44, 26 July 2024 (UTC)