Category talk:People

PersonProfile Template

Is there a template yet for the people listed in the people category? --Seperis 23:35, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

Yes, Template:PersonProfile -- Msilverstar 07:36, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

FYI re People vs. Fanlore Contributors Category

Greetings -- User pages (those starting with User:) should be categorized only under Category:Fanlore Contributors. This is a special category for userpages only. Userpages are your space for your personal biography and are generally written in first person, like a LJ profile.

Pages under the "People" category are for notable people relevant to fandom -- both fans and others, e.g., industry people and academics. The plural point of view policy applies to any page under "People." Pages under "People" should not be categorized under "Fanlore Contributors," even if the page is about a fan who is a contributor! That category is for userpages only.

To sum up:

Fanlore Contributors category: For pages that start with "User:" only.

People category: For other pages about people, both fans and others.

I hope that clarifies a bit! -- Melina 01:11, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

Wow, that eventually clicked for me. The category People is for people who are not cool enough to be Fanlore contributors. Also, we get to be opinionated, always a plus. I used to think that People was "important people and Users was "us peons", but I feel better now.

However, this setup means there's no way for other people's opinions of someone (who happens to be a fanlore user) to be included. Is there a policy for that case? -- Msilverstar 05:22, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

You can create a People page for anyone, even if they already have a User page. The User page is your own personal profile page that only you can edit; the People page is a regular wiki page that anyone can edit, so if you have something to say about a fan, go for it! There are already a few people with both kinds of page.

Makes sense now: would you like me to try and clarify in the category page? Since I was confused before, I have a good sense of what the questions are. --Msilverstar 01:16, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

Well, I got inspired and just edited the hell out of it. That was hard but I think I did good. Others should go ahead and change as appropriate -- Msilverstar 07:39, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

Author Sub-Page?

Should we have an author sub-page? The closest of the existing categories is industry, and that applies more to tv and movie properties. --Esther a 21:56, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

I'm in favor, the list is getting really long now. Maybe Vidder and Reccers too? --Msilverstar 07:46, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

Definition of Notable People?

Melina says "notable people" and the article as it stands now uses the term "people who are important to fandom." I'm a little concerned about the use of such loaded terms because the first question that springs to my mind is: "who determines which fans are notable and/or important?" Telesilla 07:33, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, I'm not sure I understand that as practical guideline either, it also seems contradictory to the "what Fanlore isn't" statement that "Fanlore is not an arbiter of relevance". That should apply to fans too, righ? I had more or less thought anyone would warrant a page there if they are wiki-linked from an article about something, so that readers would want to find out who that is. --RatCreature 07:52, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, at the very least, people who are wiki-linked should have their own pages. I'd actually take it further and say that anyone who is active or has been active in fandom should have a page if someone wants to put one up for that fan. If OTW "values all fans engaged in transformative work" then FanLore really should reflect that. Also, to be more practical, I'm concerned that any use of loaded terms will lead to wank. Telesilla 09:06, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

I agree that it seems very fuzzy and unclear. More guidance would be really helpful. --Msilverstar 08:13, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

Agreed, and also, the article right now says "well-known fans such as Snacky" -- I have no idea who Snacky is, and all the linked article says is "formulated Snacky's Law", which didn't help me, because I've never heard of that, either. Could someone expand the Snacky article to match this article's instruction that People pages explain who someone is and why they matter to fandom? (Or pick another example that already matches the criterion.) --Arduinna 19:48, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

Well, like you guys I believe that trying to regulate who is or isn't notable enough to warrant a Fanlore entry can only lead to wank. Tryong not to be an arbiter of importance and yet introducing an 'importance!' aspect is somewhat contradictory, as User:Ratcreature said. Question: is a potential bloating of the People really a concern? Because I can't see why it would be, and why shouldn't people create pages for their best friends who are their BNFs or whatever? After all, "Your BNF Is My WTF." So I'd welcome a standardization, like template (as in, a page layout) with a given structure like "who is it" "active in which fandoms" "notable/known for". And if I can't come up with anything the fan is prominent for, that might make me think again to not write the entry about my best friend. --Lian 20:02, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

I don't see why bloat should be a concern, either. If the category gets to long for one page, it will simply go on to another and another and another. Many categories will end up being very large, but they're alphabetised, so it's not any trouble to search through them even so. (And it's not like pages take up physical space.)

Relevance is in the eye of the beholder. From what I have seen, the only rule to the people category is don't put your user page in it, because your user page is not a wiki page; it's your profile as someone who is editing the wiki, like your LJ profile, etc.

The page should be rewritten to take out all reference to things that make it sound like only BFNs should get pages. --Kyuuketsukirui 01:13, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

FanProfile template vs. PersonProfile template

It might be helpful to add the link to the Template:FanProfile on the page as well as the existing link to Template:PersonProfile since both are under the People category. Folks might not go looking for the fan one and get confused when trying to create a new page. --Dewey 03:42, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

Subcategories

Back in 2008, someone suggested an author subcategory, but that never happened xD The topic has been raised again at Category talk:Books & Literature, and I've been playing around with the People template. I can get the template to autoadd any People page with occupation=author to a new author category, if there's agreement to create one. While we're looking at an author subcategory, I thought it might be useful to also ask here - do we want to consider creating any other subcategories here? --Auntags (talk) 20:28, 26 March 2023 (UTC) way t

I agree, I recently added Chris Hemsworth and was surprised there was no actor category msilverstar (talk) 01:16, 27 March 2023 (UTC)

+2 I've been confused about the lack of "author" category for a while when we have the more specific "SFF authors" category. I guess b/c SFF authors have a history of involvement with SFF fan conventions?? But yeah I think a broader author category is a good idea, and I also see the utility of an actor category.

There was the question raised on Discord, whether an "Actors" category should be a subcat under this "People" category or "Industry"? I think it makes more sense to me to put it under people but I see the arguments for both. -- Quaelegit (talk) 23:35, 27 March 2023 (UTC)

Hi again, we now have Category:Professional Authors and Category:Actors and Category:Professional Artists was created last week. I'm sorry for not waiting for more input, but I made the mistake of testing the template change and it took so long, I decided not to put our servers under more pressure by reverting it. Still changes can always be made if anyone want to change the way subcategories are organized!!--Auntags (talk) 20:53, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

No worries! It looks pretty good to me right now, except that I'd like to remove "Science Fiction Authors" from the parent "People" category (since it's already in the "Professional Authors" category). I'll do a spot check to make sure that won't mess up the filing for any pages in the categories first though. -- Quaelegit (talk) 23:19, 25 April 2023 (UTC)

all included template

Is there a reason why the People category has a notice saying that all people in the subcategories are also in the main category? This would make the main People category so large as to be useless. Fans are already not included in the People category, and there are over 4K fan pages. Even leaving just the "professionals" in the main category leaves 770 pages in this category: too large to browse, with no way to know if and when more subcategories should be created.--aethel (talk) 03:05, 2 April 2023 (UTC)

When I was making edits to the People template recently, I asked on the Discord if Actors/Authors etc. should only be in the subcategories. Only one person replied there, but the feeling was that this category has always included all people pages, including those in the subcategories and we should keep it the same going forward. I added the all_included template so people would know that is how the category is currently organized. I agree that the category is too big to be easily searchable, and it's only going to get bigger, so I would be in favour of sending People pages to subcategories where we can! --Auntags (talk) 10:19, 2 April 2023 (UTC)

Thank you both! msilverstar (talk) 02:16, 26 April 2023 (UTC)

+1. I see fans have already been switched to only-in-the-subcategory. I think because of the way Template:PersonProfile works it will be more difficult to do the same with authors, actors, etc. But if we can do it without an enormous manual effort than I would also be in favor of making the People category more manageable. -- Quaelegit (talk) 02:57, 26 April 2023 (UTC)

+1. I would also love only in the subcat rather than all included because of the difficulty of browsing Distracteddaydreamer (talk) 16:57, 14 February 2024 (UTC)

Musicians? Singers? Idols?

I noticed One Direction band member Zayn Malik is in Industry, and Harry Styles and Gerard Way are not. Where should we put musicians, singers or idols that people are fannish about? As there is some crossover, I think it would be nice to have a category to hold this subset of people. Idols like Park Jimin, Kim Taehyung, Taemin feel like they might maybe want to belong to a separate category of Category:Idols - though this seems to be a Kpop/cpop/jpop term, so I'm unsure of the usefulness if you can sort by {IN: People AND K-Pop Fandom} or similar (can you?). Distracteddaydreamer (talk) 17:04, 14 February 2024 (UTC)