User talk:Hoopla

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Hi Hoopla! Welcome to Fanlore. :) It's been great to see your edits around the wiki! - Fandomgeographies (talk) 17:00, 13 July 2018 (UTC)

Hi! Thanks!! It's been a long time since I've done any wiki editing (I think the last time was when I threw myself into the Welcome to Night Vale fanwiki? So that was a bit different) so it's been a little awkward to get back into the swing of things, but I do so love organization and stuff. - Hoopla (talk) 17:16, 13 July 2018 (UTC)
That's awesome! Glad you decided to get back into it. There's lots of folks here who can help out, if you have any questions - just let us know. - Fandomgeographies (talk) 17:20, 13 July 2018 (UTC)
Thanks!!! -Hoopla (talk) 17:42, 13 July 2018 (UTC)

Hi, Hoopla! Welcome to Fanlore! Thanks so much for making the Recursive Fanfiction page :D I confess, I had no idea that fic of fic had a name :o Now I really want to dive down this rabbit-hole... enchantedsleeper (talk) 08:24, 22 July 2018 (UTC)

Hi! Thanks!! It's a really great rabbit hole and I love it so much and I'm so glad to be able to share it with new people. - Hoopla (talk) 16:40, 22 July 2018 (UTC)
Your edits, Hoopla, are fabulous. Welcome aboard! --MPH (talk) 22:54, 25 July 2018 (UTC)
Thank you!! I try so much. I'm really enjoyed playing internet sleuth for Godawful Fan Fiction's history, although I feel kind of silly for changing so much about the article right after it was approved to be featured. -- Hoopla (talk) 23:23, 25 July 2018 (UTC)
Please don't! Even Featured Articles will never be in a perfect state ;3 One thing I love about the FA nominations process is how much it benefits pages that get nominated in terms of the focused editing that takes place - even if they don't ultimately make the cut. --enchantedsleeper (talk) 13:11, 28 July 2018 (UTC)
It's honestly such edit bait for me I can't resist a long article in need of organization and stuff lmao. - Hoopla (talk) 20:10, 28 July 2018 (UTC)
I'm happy to lay out bait for you, Hoopla! :) MPH (talk) 20:32, 28 July 2018 (UTC)
I look forward to being continually ensnared XD - Hoopla (talk) 21:46, 28 July 2018 (UTC)


Just let me know what you'd want to know! I'm probably a good source of info on this particular animanga haha. Kurayami3nobara (talk) 19:06, 30 September 2018 (UTC)

Gosh, basically everything! I added a character list, some internal links, and a little organization, but there's so much to do still and I'm not an authority on any of it, as much as I love YYH. Ideally I'd love to see it fleshed out to have as many of the sections and subsections as we typically have on a well-developed fandom page — I did an explanation of the typical structure of fandom pages here: User:Hoopla/pagestructure. Unfortunately much of that information is information best provided by someone very familiar with the fandom, so I've been a little stymied in improving the page. I can research and pull quotes, but it's hard to know where to look and there's not enough time in the day for me to read everything and then generalize, you know? Any help would be very appreciated! - Hoopla (talk) 19:26, 1 October 2018 (UTC)

A Thing of Beauty

This page is wonderful!

I looked for the link on your pages but can't locate it. I'm going to put this link on my user page so I can find it later. --MPH (talk) 18:52, 1 October 2018 (UTC)

Oh! I'll put a link to it somewhere. I wasn't really sure anyone would want to find it, honestly, so I didn't think to make a link. I'm so glad it seems useful to you! - Hoopla (talk) 19:19, 1 October 2018 (UTC)


Hello, Hoopla, and welcome to Fanlore! I hope you like the wiki and decide to stay. Here are a few links to pages you might find helpful:

Please remember to sign your messages on talk pages by typing four tildes (~~~~); this will automatically insert your username and the date. If you need help, check out the new visitor portal, ask me on my talk page, or ask for help on your talk page, and other editors will respond. Again, welcome! MinecraftFan (talk) 11:05, 28 January 2019 (UTC)

Uh, hi? New talk page entries go at the bottom of the talkpage, though, so I moved yours for organizational purposes. Also because, uh, I think that the welcomes I got 6 months ago were more than proper/warm enough? - Hoopla (talk) 16:59, 28 January 2019 (UTC)

Your questions about my work

In-universe, PPVs (Pay-per-views) are special events that are longer and different from the regular TV shows. I wasn't sure if I could quote reactions my shows received on the Virtual Wrestling board on, since they were only posted on my site and on that board. The JWL isn't notable in the traditional sense, since it didn't spawn any fics based on it. (A fanfic of a fanfic?) Sometimes shows took a lot of time for me to write, or other aspects of my life got in the way. 80 episodes over some 12 years means on average only 6 episodes per year. It wasn't a virtual season (I didn't even know that term when I started.) I created the page as shameless self-promotion, except that it really didn't generate a reaction. JKFAN (talk) 18:21, 28 January 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply! It would be better to keep this all on the talk page where it started, however, so that people looking at that page later can see it — if you reply to me feel free to just copy this over to that page. Fanlore has no notability requirements, so if you care enough to make a page on a thing we're all happy to have it, and reactions from your site or the Virtual Wrestling board would be totally legit!
Also the term for fanfic of a fanfic is recursive fanfiction! - Hoopla (talk) 18:31, 28 January 2019 (UTC)

IFD 2019

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Congrats, Hoopla! By adding to your user page, you've completed Day 1 of the IFD 2019 Fanlore Challenge. Here's your badge!

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Come back and complete our Day 2 editing challenge tomorrow to get another badge! - Fandomgeographies (talk) 01:23, 11 February 2019 (UTC)

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Hoopla, you added an example to the Slavefic page, completing Day 2 of the IFD 2019 Fanlore Challenge! Here's your badge! Come back and complete Day 3 editing challenge tomorrow! Somefangirl (talk) 04:51, 13 February 2019 (UTC)

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Congratulations for completing Day 3 of the IFD 2019 Fanlore Challenge by creating and adding fanon details to the Mineta Minoru character page! Here's your badge!

Come back and complete our Day 4 editing challenge tomorrow to get another badge! -Gem (talk) 20:24, 13 February 2019 (UTC)

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Another day, another edit, another ship page :)Thank you for creating the KakaGai. Here is your badge for completing Day 4. WhatAreFrogs? (talk) 22:15, 14 February 2019 (UTC)

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Congratulations for completing Day 5 of the IFD 2019 Fanlore Challenge by creating and adding details to the Dreaming of Sunshine Discord Server page! Here's your badge!

Come back and complete our Day 6 editing challenge tomorrow to get another badge! -Fairestcat

Thanks! I hope you don't mind, I fixed the internal link - Hoopla (talk) 03:24, 16 February 2019 (UTC)
/o\ I don't mind at all!

Hey, Hoopla! Here's your badge for today's challenge:

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Thanks for your edits on Sherlock Is Garbage, And Here's Why, and for all the work you do on Fanlore! --PriscillaD (talk) 03:25, 17 February 2019 (UTC)

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Congrats, Hoopla! By creating FanloreProject:Harry Potter Fanfiction Tropes and adding to FanloreProject:Naruto, you've completed Day 7 of the IFD 2019 Fanlore Challenge. Here's your badge!

Thank you so much for participating in this year's challenge, and all the amazing FanloreProject work you do! --Punkpixieprince (talk) 23:02, 17 February 2019 (UTC)

\o/ Thanks! I had lots of fun.

Help me with formatting

I added an Episode Guide to The JWL. Can you help so that it is actually under the Episode List heading? Thank you. JKFAN (talk) 06:07, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

@JKFAN: Sorry it took me so long to get to this but I fixed it! You can see the explanation for how on the talk page. - Hoopla (talk) 22:07, 9 March 2019 (UTC)

Thank you very much. JKFAN (talk) 22:10, 9 March 2019 (UTC)

Archive the page?

On the Talk page for WOW Women of Wrestling, you said that because my series The WOW Revolution isn't on AO3, I should "probably also archive the page." What does that mean? Thank you. JKFAN (talk) 23:26, 14 March 2019 (UTC)

Archiving a page means using an internet archive service to save a snapshot of the page. You can read more about it here: Help:Citing sources - Archiving: Preventing Link Rot! Adding archive links to external links is a very helpful thing to do on any page and there's even a fanlore project for archiving tumblr pages: FanloreProject:Tumblr archiving. - Hoopla (talk) 00:35, 15 March 2019 (UTC)
The WOW Revolution is on My Fan Fictions Page, same as The JWL. JKFAN (talk) 14:17, 15 March 2019 (UTC)
I will not be creating a page here for The WOW Revolution, since the only reactions I received were from when I posted the shows on Ezboard, meaning I have no way to access them.

Formatting Question

On my The JWL page, I used the same footnote twice (on purpose), and quoted two contrasting reactions from the same episode. I was looking at the Help:Footnotes page but I couldn't quite get the use of "refnames". Any help is appreciated. Thank you. JKFAN (talk) 16:58, 21 March 2019 (UTC)

It's a little hard to tell you what you're doing wrong without knowing what you're trying, but I'll attempt it! I know you know how to use <ref group=note> and ref tags in general, so let's start there!
When you use a <ref> tag, it's like any other HTML — the <ref> opens a section and the </ref> closes it. In the case of ref tags specifically, you can think of them like a super useful, specific set of parenthesis that tells the wiki website to display everything in between at wherever you've put <references /> (or {{reflist}}), even though you've written it in the middle of the article. The </ref> tag is important because it tells the website that the special section of text that needs to be displayed wherever you put <references /> is now over, so it can go back to displaying text in the article normally. If you don't have <references /> you get a big red notice that you made an error because you told the wiki to display text in a place that doesn't exist on the page, oops, and that makes the wiki unhappy. Similarly, if you don't put anything between <ref> and </ref>, the wiki gets confused and unhappy because you told it to display text but there's nothing to display.
When you use group=note, you're telling the wiki that this section of special text that needs to be displayed somewhere else shouldn't be displayed in the same place as the other special text with no group name. The wiki knows where to display it because you use <references group=note/> (or {{reflist|group=note}}) you're telling the wiki that the group of special <ref> tags that you marked as belonging to the "note" group should be displayed there. If you have <references/> but not <references group=note/>, the wiki gets confused again because it's holding all of these <ref group=note></ref> tags but doesn't have anywhere to put them because you marked them as not belonging where all of the non-"note" group references tags are displayed.
When you use name=xyz (where "xyz" can be anything except a plain number, eg "name=123" wouldn't work, but "name=x1" would) you're basically doing the opposite of group=! You're telling that the the text between <ref name=xyz> and </ref> is a reference named "xyx", right, and then when you use <ref name=xyz/> the wiki knows that you want the reference called "xyz" to be linked there just like it is wherever you've used <ref name=xyz></ref>. The / is very important! The / tells the wiki that this tag is complete — you're not opening a new <ref> tag that will have to be closed with a </ref> after you put text in there, you're just letting the wiki know that the reference named "xyx" also belongs right there. This is the same reason that there's a / in <references />.
Because name= is the opposite of group= in this way, if you have multiple references you want to use multiple times, they need to have different names. group=note tells the wiki that there's a set of <ref> tags containing a text that all needs to be displayed together in a list; name= tells the wiki that one of the entries in the list of references needs to be used in multiple places. In practice, it can look like[1] this[1] or like[note 1][note 2] this.[note 1][note 2][note 3]
  1. ^ a b This is a reference tag using <ref name=x>! It's being displayed using {{reflist}}!
  1. ^ a b This is a reference tag using <ref name=y group=note>! It's being displayed using {{reflist|group=note}}!
  2. ^ a b This is a reference tag using <ref name=z group=note>! It's being displayed using {{reflist|group=note}}!
  3. ^ This is a reference tag using <ref group=note>! It's being displayed using {{reflist|group=note}}! Because it's only used once, it doesn't need a name.
I hope that that answers any/all questions and helps you out! — Hoopla (talk) 23:33, 21 March 2019 (UTC)
Yes, I figured out how to do what I wanted to do. Thank you.

Removing my edit from Self-Insert page

What was wrong with my addition about Pearls Before Swine? Thank you. JKFAN (talk) 02:26, 9 April 2019 (UTC)

Please see the talk page. - Hoopla (talk) 02:27, 9 April 2019 (UTC)

Get It Right the First Time

I ran into this same problem when I was on Wikipedia. Whatever happened to getting something right the first time? Why use redirects when you could just type in the correct name of the page? Granted, I haven't always lived up to this myself, but, it just seems lazy. I don't get it. JKFAN (talk) 03:15, 10 April 2019 (UTC)

I'm done trying to explain this to you, honestly. - Hoopla (talk) 03:20, 10 April 2019 (UTC)
If I may chime in here. JKFAN: Not sure if it's already been brought up, but Wikipedia:Redirect#Purposes_of_redirects lists some good use cases for redirects. Sort of like separation of concerns wrt article naming. See also Wikipedia:Piped_link#When_not_to_use, which I think makes some decent points in favour of using redirects. -- Ununseti (talk) 15:48, 10 April 2019 (UTC)
Thank you for trying to help! I have already tried to explain this to JKFAN at length on their talk page very recently, however, and I would very much like that conversation to not move over to my talk page, please. You can see the recent conversation on this topic here. - Hoopla (talk) 16:37, 10 April 2019 (UTC)

Piping tags?

Forgive me, but, what does that mean? Thank you. JKFAN (talk) 02:18, 11 April 2019 (UTC)

read your talk page. stop ignoring us. stop coming to my talk page to complain when I undo your bad edits - Hoopla (talk) 02:40, 11 April 2019 (UTC)

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\o/ yaaaaay!- Hoopla (talk) 20:41, 9 June 2019 (UTC)

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She'llhuntyoudown (talk) 20:00, 24 November 2019 (UTC)

Hell yes thank you. - Hoopla (talk) 20:47, 24 November 2019 (UTC)

Nomination November badge

Hey! Belatedly, I'm here to add another badge to your collection - for nominating Mineta Minoru during the second week of November, you earned our Week 2 Nomination November badge! Thanks for taking part! -- enchantedsleeper (talk) 14:25, 5 December 2019 (UTC)


Note from RubyPhoenix

[Note from Hoopla: Moved this from up above to keep the page in chronological order!)

Late but I just want to say thank you! The recursive fanfic page is really cool, and when I got into fanlore, it was one of the first I saw (because I'm DoS trash) and it was really informative and fun to read so, thank you. --RubyPhoenix (talk)

!!!! I'm so glad you liked it! I really enjoyed writing it and was inspired to do so because of Dreaming of Sunshine — nothing trashy about liking DoS, it's great! I hope I'll see you around the Discord or the exchange scene <3 - Hoopla (talk) 22:35, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

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Hi, Hoopla! Thanks for adding the internal links! Here's your badge for completing Day 2 of the 2021 IFD Fanlore Challenge. Keep going to earn them all! Roamingcataloger (talk) 17:09, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

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