Talk:List of Tropes in Fanworks

general approach

I'm thinking this will mostly be helpful as an index, and I'm not opposed to crosslinking, that is, putting a story trope down twice under different headings, but short of alphabetizing them, this seemed like a possible system of classification. Of course, I'm open to being told I'm overthinking this and should go sit down. --Betty 23:57, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

As per the conversation here on Fanlore on Dreamwidth, and conversations on the polyfic talk page, I think this page is the root of the fic-centric nature of many pages. I have a beginning of a re-do for this whole page done up that would give us a jumping off point to do some page re-naming and editing to fix that. I would like to wait until after the Merlin editing party, so next week, to talk about it though, so I will post to the DW comm when I've got time to discuss with people who are interested. --facetofcathy 21:34, 23 March 2010 (UTC)

It's great to see that go forward.--RatCreature 22:29, 23 March 2010 (UTC)

Just one point about just removing the "fic"endings, I think I said I mentioned this somewhere in the other discussion on the wiki too, but "disability fic" cannot be easily moved to "disability" without major revision of the page, because obviously disability is not just a trope but also a reality in fandom unlike wings. Any page just titled "disability" would need sections on the accessibilty questions of cons and fanworks and such that have cropped up, ableism in fandom in general etc. and all those questions of disability in fandom that exist besides the fictional treatment of disability in fanworks. I think to treat disability as fictional thing primarily and foremost would be offensive.--RatCreature 08:35, 27 March 2010 (UTC)

Please look over this entry on Fanlore on Dreamwidth, and chime in with your comments or suggestions on reorganising this page. Tropes - Not just for fic anymore. Anon and Open ID comments are welcomed and encouraged--you don't need a Dreamwidth account to participate. --facetofcathy 12:50, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

Talk

Hey, can we combine, or at least crosslink, this page with this: http://fanlore.org/wiki/Singular_Tropes_By_Fandom Sherrold 23:30, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

Crosslink for sure. I'm thinking this will be used as an index, of sorts, and Singular Tropes By Fandom is more of a historical perspective. --Betty 23:40, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

What's a good general term for fic where someone's a prostitute? Slash is usually rentboy AU, but it's a common trope in het, too, so that won't do here. Whore AU? Prostitute AU? Hooker AU? --Kyuuketsukirui 05:58, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

Hookerfic? --Betty 06:01, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

Hooker AU has the right ring to me. (Hookerfic doesn't quite do it -- weirdly, it seems broader to me, like it could be about the main characters hiring hookers, rather than at least one of them being a hooker. I had no idea that distinction even existed in my head!) --Arduinna 06:04, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

I can see that, but at the same time, I don't think I've ever seen any stories like that, and I'm thinking they would be pretty rare. I suppose there might be some Pretty Woman-type Mary Sues out there, but usually it's a canon character. And Hookerfic rolls off the tongue a little better for me... *ponders* --Kyuuketsukirui 06:11, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

I kind of like Hookerfic rather than Hooker AU, because I think Hookerfic lets it include stories where the character has a Secret Past! as a prostitute, as well as AUs.--Penknife 13:11, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

Oh, true. Hookerfic, it is, then. --Kyuuketsukirui 14:59, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

I added Regency and Noir/Detective AUs. I didn't make them wikilinks as I'm not sure if we need them. Any thoughts on linking Regency to the Jane Austen or Georgette Heyer pages or adding them as references? Also wondering how we would classify stories where one character turns out to be a relation of another character - Severitus (Snape is Harry's dad), Cowley is Bodie's dad. This one has a crossover aspect - Doyle (Pros) or Starsky (Starsky and Hutch) is Blair's (The Sentinel) dad. - Vera 13:16, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

omg, the found-relations thing. It really should have a name -- god knows it shows up everywhere, even if it's not a parental link. I remember a Pros/XF story where Mulder turned out to be Bodie's long-lost baby brother (... who was hooking his way through Oxford, but that's okay, because Bodie used to be a hooker, too. Oh, fandom.) --Arduinna 00:05, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

I'm wondering what to do about the whole set of darkfic genre stories. Right now, we're putting them all directly under the 'Story Elements' heading, but we're got a twisted family tree there, with H/C. deathfic, darkfic, rapefic, etc all involved. Is there a visual way to represent that, or should I just let it go in order to not lose any more sanity points? --rache 14:02, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

If you can represent that visually, that'd be cool, but I don't know how either. --Betty 23:31, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

Where do you guys think Internalized Homophobia goes?

I have no idea. It's not a thing that features much in my fandoms. Is it usually dealt with tragically, or merely an obstacle that keeps the OTP apart until the happy ending? --Betty 23:31, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

What do you guys think of putting Yaoi and slash (and femslash, and yuri) on the same line, like "- Slash, Yaoi" I realize they're not synonyms, but in this sense, they're pretty close. --Betty 23:31, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

So what exactly is the distinction between the story element and plot device categories?--Esther a 01:45, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

I guess a story element doesn't necessarily determine the plot, whereas a plot device does. I mean, magical healing cock can show up in all kinds of stories. But if it's not a useful categorization, or too broad, we could merge them. --Betty 04:11, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

Should this really be under "category:fanworks"? As it's...not one.-Punk 00:51, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

The "story element" heading is a bit vague, and I think some of the items in this list would fit under "plot device" (e.g. Mpreg) or "plot" (Curtainfic). What is meant by "story element"?--Aethel 16:40, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

non-fannish genres listed?

I don't think genres such as "thriller" or "action-adventure" are really story tropes. I mean, genres like "fusion" or "crossover" are specific fannish ploys that are also genres, but "political thirller" etc is not.--Ratcreature 21:44, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

alternative solution to the fic-privileging on this page

How about we create the draft Tropes in Fanworks page as a separate page rather than a replacement for this page? And then rework this page to be explicitly fic-centric. The general Tropes overview page could include links to medium-specific trope and genre pages: Story Tropes, Art Genres, Vidding Genres, etc. It would be okay if some tropes/genres appear on more than one page, but it would also be clearer which tropes and genres are used in which kind of fanwork (and how the names of similar tropes might change for each medium).--æthel 19:45, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

Sounds good. Although I wouldn't include all the individual tropes on an overview page. The overview should be shorter and give context for the medium-specific genre pages and all the details could go to the respective genre pages. --Doro 19:53, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

Oh wait, I think they actually did change the text, but not the name of the page (and it still looks fairly fic-oriented to me). I'd like to copy the current page to Tropes in Fanworks and then develop both pages separately. Maybe genres that are used only in one medium would be moved to the appropriate tropes page (e.g. Landscape to Fanart Genres), and genres used in more than one medium can stay on the masterlist.--æthel 21:17, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

Better yet, rename this page to Tropes in Fanworks, then create another Story Tropes page for the fic-only tropes and fic-specific terms.--æthel 21:21, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

question: Confessions under the Influence?

Is there an alternate name/trope-specific page for "Confessions under the influence" fic? E.g., confessions of love/lust while drunk or drugged? That seems to be a not uncommon fic trope... If it exists, please point me to it. But if something similar doesn't exist yet, I'd like to stub out a page for it -- and if so, would "Confessions under the influence" be a good name for the trope/page, or would another name be better? --Sk 18:58, 24 April 2011 (UTC)

TV Tropes uses In Vino Veritas for that trope, and I'd love to see that as a page name, even though I'm not so sure that phrase gets used as a fannish term. Cliche Bingo and Kink bingo just use prosaic terms like Drugged/Intoxicated--but that's a broader subject than what you're talking about. I can think of several John Sheppard gets drugged into talking about his feelings fics beyond the one I wrote. --facetofcathy 22:19, 24 April 2011 (UTC)

I like In Vino Veritas lots. Confessions Under the Influence could redirect there. --Mrs. Potato Head 23:52, 24 April 2011 (UTC)

I have stubbed out In Vino Veritas -- facetofcathy, please add your example fic and any others you think of :) Thanks!) --Sk 01:28, 25 April 2011 (UTC)

Page Name

Would List of Tropes in Fanworks (or List of Popular Tropes in Fanworks) be a more appropriate name for this page? I was confused to see both a Trope and a Tropes in Fanworks page (because there isn't, as far as I'm aware, a fannish use of tropes outside of fanworks) before I realized this was a list. --sparc 22:13, 5 October 2011 (UTC)

I find the page name "Tropes in Fanworks" confusing, too, and would vote for a name change. --Mrs. Potato Head 22:42, 5 October 2011 (UTC)

I'm also in favor of moving the page to List of Tropes in Fanworks. -- Kylara 23:36, 5 October 2011 (UTC)

Done! --Awils1 13:32, 8 October 2011 (UTC)

Page purpose/functionality/deletion discussion.

Looking over the content of this page, I'm not sure what the purpose of this page is, or what is achieved by it that isn't covered by a category. There are a vast amount of tropes in media (hell, look at TV Tropes' entire existence); as it stands, the page is just a list of links to other articles without any commentary or notes. As such, I believe that the page duplicates the purpose of the tropes and genres category page, and thus isn't a necessary article. Pinky G Rocket (talk) 15:25, 10 July 2023 (UTC)

Hi Pinky G Rocket, thanks for raising this. You're not alone in questioning the existence and relevance of our List pages. A lot of conversation on this topic happened on Template talk:List last year. But that discussion has stalled slightly, with no changes made to list pages yet. --Auntags (talk) 19:38, 15 July 2023 (UTC)