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my incoherent edit summary explained

Since Cappriccio Italien is now a redirect, no one can see the content on the page, so there's no point in keeping it ... is my feeling. However, the only problem with a redirect page that also has content is that it shows up in the categories lists, so the casual viewer will think that the article is duplicated. Not a big deal either way, but I just like to tidy up ;). The only case I know of where we really want redirect pages to show up in the categories is abbreviations.--æthel 00:55, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

Tidying up is good. Double entries on category pages deserve a sloppy *raspberry*. Taking stuff off makes a lot of sense, æthel. :-) Mrs. Potato Head 01:11, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

Just for your information

Talk:Mixed Doubles There is some mix-up with this zine. I just wanted to add a note here so that it won't get lost. --Doro 11:59, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

Star Trek reorga

That was the wrong K/S page. ^^° The pairing page with all the content belongs to TOS. What still needs to be moved is Kirk/Spock Zines. Check out the to do list here. :) And thank you so much for all of this! We are moving STAR TREK! Wheee! \o/ (Ahem. Maybe I'm a little bit excited. *g*) --Doro 18:41, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

pro stuff?

This appears to be a semi-pro thing: anyone? http://klhalliday.com/Zinedex/ContentsT.htm#Trek Mrs. Potato Head 14:53, 9 January 2010 (UTC)

your identify these section

In case you are still looking, the one you link to in that library, by Ruth Berman? I think it is the same zine that is also on this list titled "No" if I understand the list correct, as that is by Berman and the months and zine numbers match up for all the issues listed.--RatCreature 15:10, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

The zine Nous and No are related. She did four issues of Nous with her sister, then went solo, calling the continuation No as it had lost half its creator. I figured it out from this really interesting document: http://www.smithway.org/history/ (chap3e specifically). Thank you for the follow-up. I'll swing over and take it off my "?" list. Mrs. Potato Head 17:42, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

Orion Archives reprints

I think I need to stop with these covers as I'm way in over my head with editions and dates. *puts hands in the air in surrender* Can someone else sort it out? Mrs. Potato Head 22:28, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

deletion of internally unlinked redirects during moves

This has come up before, but we should also consider that other pages might have linked our wiki entries externally, so even if internally the link is not needed, if the article was was around for a bit at a location the redirect should stay.--RatCreature 14:58, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

That's right. My fault. I'll go in and try to clean those up. Mrs. Potato Head 15:05, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

Zine project

I can't believe this is coming to end! D: I enjoyed seeing these updates so much and I've learned a lot about zines. Well, there is always websites if you need another project... ;) --Doro 06:48, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

I've learned a ton, too. It's been a bit of a crash course for me. And, of course there's no real end, not really. But my big part, what I started last July, will be wrapping up probably early this summer. This is what I have left:

Doctor Who
dougjinshi (Supernatural, Harry Potter, Star Wars, and Lord of the Rings)
thoroughly glean Boldly Writing
go through the Media West awards page and double-check against info already entered
~~make a sweep through the used/for sale lists from Siebert, Makeitgoaway (am about 1/4 with that one), and Reich~~
go through each fandom and make sure its zine list/page is complete
look at the top red wikilinks and turn a bunch of them blue (Linda Knights is one)
make sure each artist page is complete, as well make pages for others, and create some rudimentary pages for prolific authors
replace templates where needed
some other things which I'm sure will pop up
Then, I'm going to take a very, very special field-trip as soon as the weather warms up. :-) Mrs. Potato Head 14:01, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

Well, this looks like the work will never go away! :P Btw, the Warp covers are all (or almost all?) here http://www.fantastik-online.de/zi/001/zi_001_x.htm --Doro 12:15, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

Very nice! And better quality than the ones I found. I'll add them to the to-do list. Mrs. Potato Head 12:36, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

Happy Birthday!!!

It's your birthday today? Congratulations!!!!! \o/ --Doro 17:26, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

I'm 46 years old today. :-) And for a nice natal-day present, I'm going to treat myself to... cataloging some fanzines... That, and I hope some of my kids vacuum out my car. Mrs. Potato Head 17:30, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

Happy Birthday!--RatCreature 17:48, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

Thank you. And thank you for your zine lists, Rat Creature. I use them all the time. Mrs. Potato Head 17:50, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

Unknown cover

Does anyone know what this is a cover to? Or the characters portrayed? http://fanlore.org/wiki/Image:Unknown_zine_cover.jpg Mrs. Potato Head 14:51, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

fannish/fandom languages

I want to make a page about the languages created in certain fandoms which have attracted a following all their own. Examples Elvish, Klingon and Na'vi (from Avatar). What should the name of the page be and what template should I use? Any ideas? --Mrs. Potato Head 13:48, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

This article might help: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artistic_language It also links to Fictional Languages, which I think might work as your title, since Artistic Languages are not all from fictional sources. As for template, you could simply use the glossary one, but you don't have to put in a template if one doesn't fit, you just need to put in some kind of category(s)--facetofcathy 14:14, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

All good ideas. I'll hop on over and read that article. --Mrs. Potato Head 14:50, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

Star Trek zine categories

I started creating a category structure for the Star Trek pages (Category:Star Trek) and wanted a second opinion on the level of detail needed for zines and fanworks before I start adding pages to the categories. Do the existing zine categories look useful? Are there other types of print media in Star Trek fandom that should get their own categories?--æthel 02:41, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

It looks good, Aethel. I think zines pretty much covers it. I'm not that great at the bigger categorizing picture so it might be a good idea to check with some other folks, like Morgan, Rat Creature and Doro, too. Thank you for all the good work you do. :-) --Mrs. Potato Head 14:32, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

multimedia zine categories

I was going to start to work on this huge group. As a start, any ideas on how they should be divided?

Category:Multimedia Slash Zines
Category:Multimedia Gen and Het Zines (or should Het be its own category?)

--Mrs. Potato Head 13:40, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

Het should be its own category but I doubt that I we have the necessary information for that. How about just making a multimedia slash zines category, sorting these zines, and than have another look at what's left? --Doro 13:50, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

That works, though I'm thinking that if I'm going to go through the main zine list, the only way I can think to find all these MM zines, then I only want to do that once. It might be easier to divide all the MM zines into slash and gen/het, or just gen (something to pull the MM zines out of the main list). Then I'll have a workable database of non-slash zines to mess with later. Mrs. Potato Head 16:30, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

I would prefer just gen if possible with sorting het/adult and gen/het mixed as just Multifandom Zines until there are at least 15 zines so that they can get their own categories. --Doro 18:09, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

That would be ideal off the bat (and is the ultimate goal), but just getting a sortable list of MM zines is going to be my first priority. Is there a complete list of mulitmedia zines available now? --Mrs. Potato Head 18:13, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

I don't know how complete it is but here is Multimedia (Multiple Fandoms)/Fanzines. --Doro 18:16, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

Though a good start, it's far from complete. My first goal needs to be to find them all. Then, I can go back and fiddle with them and fine-tune the categories with het and mixed and all sorts of other tweaks. Mrs. Potato Head 18:29, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

Star Wars dojinshi

Some of the images can be found here. Note: interior art is included in links below the covers. http://www.wanderer-owl.com/swdj.htm

also: http://www.google.com/images?hl=en&safe=off&client=firefox-a&hs=Kfj&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&q=%22star+wars%22+%22doujinshi%22&um=1&ie=UTF-8&source=univ&ei=agIATNzGCpqwMurn-Ds&sa=X&oi=image_result_group&ct=title&resnum=4&ved=0CDQQsAQwAw http://www.wanderer-owl.com/swdj.htm

I answered your question about Star Wars categories here: Image talk:Kotbukiinterior.jpg --Doro 18:08, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

I added it to my to do list. I think, at this point, I'm going to cat them as either Star Wars or TPM. *Then* go back through TPM and break them down from there. Going through them with that list right off the bat will make my head explode. --Mrs. Potato Head 18:18, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

If you don't mind, I would like to start with TPM as this was one of my main fandoms and revisiting it is always a lot of fun. :) ETA: and by that I don't mean adding doujinshi, I mean sorting the TPM content already here. ^^° --Doro 18:21, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

Would I mind? Would I mind? *big grin* I'd love it. I don't know the fandom at all and feel as though I'm drowning a bit in there. Yes, that would be wonderful. --Mrs. Potato Head 18:27, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

zines in languages other than English

I'd like to request a category for this but don't know what to call it. "Category:Non-English Zines"? Something better? Any ideas? ETA: A separate category from doujinshi. -Mrs. Potato Head 16:18, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

I'm not fond of "Non-English" because it defines languages in "English" and "Other". I would prefer a language categories that could be added to all kinds of pages and doesn't limit it to zines. For example, a [[Category:German]] could be added to German zines, fan clubs (STCE), websites, mailing lists (Querstrich), conventions (Fedcon), source texts (Raumpatrouille, Verbotene Liebe), fandoms (Original Slash#German Original Yaoi Fandom) etc. --Doro 18:05, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

I didn't like the "non-english" either for the same reason, but wasn't sure what to do. Right now, I have a list of about 40 zines in German, Hungarian, Japanese (non-doujinshi), Italian, Russia, Spanish, French and Finnish. I'm sure there are plenty more. I think I'll just keep a list of them (perhaps on my to-do list) and when the language thing is tackled, they can be added. --Mrs. Potato Head 18:10, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

Mary disambiguation page question

I noticed that you had deleted the Merry page and moved content to Mary, but almost all the talk page comments on the Mary page indicate a preference for separating out the Merrys from the Marys. Was there a discussion about combining them somewhere else? If not, I think we should recreate the Merry page and move the Merrys back.--æthel 04:21, 13 June 2010 (UTC)

Okay. --Mrs. Potato Head 04:25, 13 June 2010 (UTC)

anniversary

HAPPY ANNIVERSARY TO MRS P. ONE YEAR AND COUNTING.--Morgandawn 03:24, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

Thank you for your help! Cesy 20:30, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

commenting on user pages

I noticed that you accidentally commented on User:Monroe mary‎'s user page instead of her talk page. Maybe better delete it and put it on the talk page before she notices. ;) Only users are supposed to edit their own user page, other regular users don't have the rights to edit someone else's user page. As a gardener you have the rights, but it's a bit like coming into someone else's home uninvited because their landlord gave you the keys. ^^° --Doro 08:57, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

Yiy, yiy, totally a mistake on my part. No housebreaking intended! :-) Thank you for the alert. --Mrs. Potato Head 12:46, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

where best to put this bit on "whose universe"?

This blurb from the editorial for the Robin of Sherwood zine is very interesting, and brings up actor/creator knowledge of zines and slash, and who the "universe" really belongs to and "permission." I'm going to add it to the zine page itself, but want to add it elsewhere as well. The slash article?(but where on it?) and or/somewhere else? Do we have an article about where it would also fit? Here's the quote: "The adult material in this magazine is being done with the knowledge and permission of Richard Carpenter. Herne's Son was conceived as a magazine largely for the publication of RoS material of an adult nature, although stories from any fantasy universe (RoS included) will be accepted and need not be of an adult nature. However, since RoS fandom was made possible by the imagination and efforts of Richard Carpenter, in accordance of his wishes, we will not be accepting or publishing stories involving 'slash' (homosexual) encounters. It is, after all, his universe." --Mrs. Potato Head 13:21, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

default sort on the categories page

Is it possible to default sort the categories page so all the series that start with "the" line up correctly? http://fanlore.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Categories&offset=The_Coldfire_Trilogy --Mrs. Potato Head 16:06, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

personal reflections

Hi! I read what you added to the Textual Poachers: Television Fans and Participatory Culture page. What a great story! :D I noticed that you referenced it as "Mrs. Potato Head's personal reflection". Maybe that's a situation where it's best to sign the comment like we do on discussion pages. Then it would have a date and a link back to your user profile. What do you think? --Doro 13:05, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

I didn't know how to reference myself. What you're suggesting is the little squiggles that make the name and date? I'll go and amend it. --Mrs. Potato Head 13:20, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

Actor Zines?

What do you think of a general Actor Zines category? I just stumbled across two zines devoted to Paul Darrow from Blake's 7, there's already a Star Trek Actor-centric Zines category, and I know I've seen a few others. The only problem is I wouldn't necessarily want to put Harrison Ford zines or TOS actor zines into the category since they've already got their own and might overwhelm everything else.--æthel 00:57, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

I think it's a viable category. There's a few Star Trek:TNG ones and a few other Star Trek ones that aren't TOS. There's also a handull of Mark Hamill ones. But you're right, the vast majority of them are Harrison Ford and then Star Trek:TOS ones. --Mrs. Potato Head 01:43, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

Maybe we should just add a red-linked Category:Actor Zines to everything that isn't Star Trek or Harrison Ford and then see what we end up with.--æthel 00:53, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

That's a good idea. If there's a lot, we can deal with it. And if not, there won't be that many to take it off of. --Mrs. Potato Head 01:00, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

Another zine question!

I saw on the The Rogue page that you left the non-fiction writing category in. This is something I've been wondering about. I've come across a lot of zines with mixed fic and nonfiction content that I feel should be given something in addition to the anthology zine cat, which is cross-categorized under Fiction Writing. I've also found a few meta zines and other nonfiction zines that aren't newsletters or resource zines; I think there might be enough to justify a Non-fiction Zines subcategory under non-fiction writing. I could go through the current Non-fiction category and remove all all the clear-cut newsletters and resource zines to see how many zine pages are left, but I think the non-fiction writing category has been underused in general so there could be Quite A Few zines that could fit in this category. What do you think of this category structure:

Zines

Non-fiction Zines (also under Non-fiction Writing)

Newsletters & Letterzines

Resource Zines

It's easy enough to move the existing categories as long as we don't rename them.--æthel 23:55, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

These categories can be so confusing. I feel I'm getting it "wrong" too many times. The non-fiction category is one that is really messed up/underutilized/inconsistent. I was just going through the uncategorized images file (something that I need to put on my to-do list) and came up against Rogue. Now, I personally see Rogue as a fiction zine despite the fact it has non-fiction in it, but where I think it's, for better or worse, where I start from/is my interest. But, like so many other zines, if it has non-fiction in it, then it should reflect that content.

"I think there might be enough to justify a Non-fiction Zines subcategory under non-fiction writing." I think so, too. --Mrs. Potato Head 00:24, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

I went ahead and created the new category: Category:Non-fiction Zines. So any zine you find yourself editing that isn't a newsletter, canon resource, etc., you can add this category instead of the Non-fiction Writing category. I should probably create a new template to go with it. These templates are multiplying like crazy.

I'm updating a zine help page that I hope will make keeping track of categories a little easier. Does it help you?--æthel 01:17, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

I'm always doing my best. Always know that, 'kay?... I'll look at the zine help page; though the page you listed is a red link... --Mrs. Potato Head 01:28, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

Whoops! Help:Zines. You are doing fabulous work!--æthel 01:31, 9 October 2010 (UTC)