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two zines one title
There are two zines called shooting star. I tried to make a disambiguation page but couldn’t figure out how to do it without messing up the Star wars one. Then I tried to do what the zine "Mixed Media" did where there was that suggestion link at the top but didn't know what to call the page.
You guys are probably pretty sick of me by now... sorry
It sounds like the Harry and Johnny zine is a novel written by a single author. In that case the page should be named Shooting Star - Eileen Roy and you could add a disambiguation line at the top. However, there may be privacy concerns. Fanlore has a policy on Pre-1995 Fan Name Use. If this is an older zine and you are not sure whether linking the full name is welcome, you might want to create the page as Shooting Star - Eileen R.
Generally speaking, if there are two pages that would need the same title and one is not much more important than the other, it would make sense to create a page "Title (Fandom 1)", a page "Title (Fandom 2), and turn the "Title" page into a disambiguation page, which means copying and pasting content from one page to another until everything is on the page where it's supposed to be (ETA: and linking from the disambiguation page to all the separate pages). Here is an example for a disambiguation page: Jack (I'm not a gardener but I think what you are doing is awesome!!)--Doro 21:10, 9 August 2009 (UTC)
>>Thank for the info! I went with Eileen R. as it is old. I'd have changed it before I officially entered it 'cause I'm well-aware of the pre-1995 rule. :-)
>>I'm not sure how to *start* the disambiguation page.
- Ah, okay. The disambiguation page is just a normal page. Taking your "Shooting Star" example, it would work like this: If you want to have a disambiguation page instead of just adding a line at the top of each Shooting Star page, the Shooting Star page should be the disambiguation page. As there is content on that page right now that would need to be moved somewhere else, you would have to create the other page first, for example Shooting Star (Star Wars Fanzine). Then you would copy and paste the Star Wars zine content to that page and delete it on the Shooting Star page so that you have an empty page. After that you would write a line or two saying that the Shooting Star page is now a disambiguation page, add the links to the Shooting Star (Star Wars Zine) page and the Shooting Star - Eileen R. page, add the Disambiguation category, and that's it. I hope that helps. :) --Doro 21:56, 9 August 2009 (UTC)
BTW, you are a god among Fanlore editors!--æthel 02:37, 25 September 2009 (UTC)
Oh look, more contribs already! :D --ChristyCorr 23:02, 3 October 2009 (UTC)
Hi! :) I just wanted to point out that when you redirect a page, the whole editing history is lost (well, it's still there, but it doesn't move to the new page and someone looking at the history there won't see it) and the discussions remain on the old page too. If more than one person edited a page and there has been some discussion, it's probably better to just stick a "Gardeners" notice to the pages because a gardener can move the page *including* history and discussions.--Doro 19:09, 4 November 2009 (UTC)
- Yeah. I know. But the whole author thing on the novels is making it really, really hard to keep from making duplicate entries as well as searching for needed info. Often, I look for a zine, but it doesn't show up because of the way it was previously entered. I put gardener tags on a couple of hundred quite a while ago, but I think it must be a low priority to get them changed. It's not a low priority for me, though, as I'm doing the entry work right now. I've asked for "gardener status" so that I could switch them myself the better way, but didn't get any answer. And I've pointed out that it's causing some problems. I feel pretty trapped, actually, and frankly more than a little dejected. Mrs. Potato Head 19:25, 4 November 2009 (UTC)
- We need more gardeners! :( I hope someone gets back to you soon because if someone needs gardener status, it's you. PS: I just sent a message to second your request for gardener status. *hugs* --Doro 20:13, 4 November 2009 (UTC)
- I've granted you gardener rights just now. There was some kind of mix up and the first request was never forwarded to the wiki list so it was never dealt with. Sorry for the delay. --Meri 18:07, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
- Thanks! :-) Meri, can you, or someone else, give me a step-by-step tutorial on how these single-author novel pages should be changed? I want to do it right, not lose any history or mess stuff up. Mrs. Potato Head 18:44, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
- I'm no gardener, so I don't have any firsthand experience, but the Fanlore editing help that addresses changing and article's title says: you must use the "move" function to change the title of an article. Basic users are unable to move articles, you must ask a Gardener to do so. [...] Moving an article will automatically set up a redirect from the article's previous title, which means that anywhere the former page was linked, the user will ultimately get to where they need to be. Here is a wikipedia tutorial on how to move a page. I hope that helps. :) --Doro 19:03, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
- Thanks! I tried it out on one, but am stumped by the part where I got to "what links here." There's supposed to be a link for this in the "toolbox" on the left side of the screen (I can see where in wikipedia) but on my screen it's missing. All the other functions are there, but that one. I tried changing the skin but that doesn't do any good. Any idea on how I can get this feature to show, or if not, then where I go to find what links to an entry? Mrs. Potato Head 19:33, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
- Do you have a screenshot of what a page looks like to you? I can see a "What links here" in my toolbox. How do you usually check what pages link to the page you are working on?--Doro 19:42, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
- Okay, got that figured out: It shows up on some screens and not others. Now, my next question. I changed the zine Clan of the White Fox to what it is now. Clicking on "what links to this" shows a bunch of places. Most of them look just like this page, but one on the Professionals/Zines page still has the old title "Clan of the White Fox - Jane." I see that clicking on that link takes one to the corrrect page. Do I need to change that link anyway, so that it looks (as well as acts) right? Mrs. Potato Head 19:52, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
- I would say no, you don't have to change the links. Moving the page turns the old page into a redirect so everything linking there will automatically be redirected to the new page. No broken links. :) --Doro 20:02, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
- That would be good. Question then, what am I looking for when I go to "what links here"? Surely, moving a page can't be as simple as typing in the new title in the little form I get. I know there was an issue last week of some page moves messing something up. Mrs. Potato Head 22:35, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
- On a similar note, can a gardener, or someone else who knows, check the handful of page moves I've done today? I need to know if I'm doing them right before I head into the project of changing them all. Mrs. Potato Head 22:35, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
I did that recently - searched and searched and then created a duplicate entry because of the way the zines with authors names are not showing up. So I suggest that you do what works best for you to get the data into fanlore- you are entering thousands of zines and the workload must be crushing. We don't want to make the job harder. Hopefully, someone will get back to you with the tools you need so that the history/discussions will be moved as well. until then...keep up the fantastic work.--Morgandawn 19:32, 4 November 2009 (UTC)
Has the policy on not deleting the old page name when it gets moved changed? I noticed that you were deleting some pages that should have been redirects. Even if no other pages on the wiki contain links to an original page name, someone might have linked to it offsite (I know I did).--æthel 15:32, 13 November 2009 (UTC)
- thought I was doing it right, but I guess I'm doing it wrong. Mrs. Potato Head 17:14, 13 November 2009 (UTC)
I saw you had requested feedback before you started the redirect polciy. did a gardener ever give you the help you needed? --Morgandawn 01:23, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
- No. Mrs. Potato Head 01:25, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
- There is no "attention gardeners" tag on this page, so there is no reason why a gardener would have seen your request. The thing is that deleting the old pages creates broken links (the one I just recreated for example was linked to from the Due South zine page). I think redireting them to the new page is a better solution and that also seems to be the offical policy æthel referred to. --Doro 02:08, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
- The request wasn't on this page. It was somewhere else. And in person, asking if I'm doing it right got me one fairly blanket reply of, "sure," and another one of no reply at all. As for the changes: I make the change and then go to "what links here" and fix what I see needs fixing. At first, I was fixing everything, but then left the redirects alone except when it made a duplicate entry on the main fanzine page.
- Problem is (among others), do I change a link that remains purple but shows up in the old style?
- No. It remains purple because it has turned into a redirect after you moved that page. That's good! --Doro 10:52, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
- And I'm trying to figure out the best policy on changing hundreds of these things: do I go to, say, the Sentinel fanzine page, change them there, then go into each title, change those and make that page's links all line up? Same with a particular publisher? I figure I was going to have to go into each publisher page and each fandom's separate fandom page and change them all by hand anyway, and I'm having trouble being fast enough.
- If someone were moving just one site, changing the links that go to the redirect page would probably the way to go so that everything links directly to site it's supposed to link to. But when it comes to moving as many pages as need to be moved here, I say NO WAY!!! As long as there is no broken link, we are good. Just move the page and the corresponding talk page (which creates automatic redirects) and ignore everything else. --Doro 10:52, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
- In the end, I've frankly got two problems here: it's too much work for one person.
- Definitely. That's why I say just move the page and the talk page. Everyone who follows a link to the old page still ends up on the new page through the redirect. --Doro 10:52, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
- And, I'm pretty shaky on all the rules. Feels like I make a move, and ultimately I've done it wrong. This whole project has been pretty isolating, and I'm feeling more than a little dejected.
- ((((((hugs))))) You are doing AWESOME work! And you are not alone here! I've seen Morgandawn do a lot of work on the zine pages, Ratcreature has linked and sorted an amazing number of zines and I check out every new page you post because it's interesting stuff and I've learned a lot! :D Making mistakes happens, especially when you are walking on shaky ground, and fixing them is part of the wiki business. That makes the ground less shaky for the next person and all the more solid for everyone else. --Doro 10:52, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
- I'm thinking I'm just going to quit the renaming the single author titles, add the zines I see and someone else can sort it out in the future, duplicates and all. Mrs. Potato Head 02:24, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
- Do whatever works best for you. :) --Doro 10:52, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
- Hey Mrs. Potato Head, sorry for letting you hanging here -- I will try to get back in the renaming business again so that you can concentrate on getting your zines up! And also, I can only second Doro, everyone makes mistakes -- I sure did, for example, with accidentally creating broken links because I keep deleting the old pages :/ (the thing is that I am doing this with a different search engine in mind, it's a bit complicated.) Sending positive energy your way! --lian 22:00, 17 November 2009 (UTC)
- Thank you, and thank you to Doro, for the encouraging words. I was feeling overwhelmed, and yes, a little crabby, but back on track now. Mrs. Potato Head 22:03, 17 November 2009 (UTC)
Hi, MPH -- I sent an email to your yahoo account a bit ago. It turns out the matter is somewhat time sensitive, so if you could get back to me as soon as you can, it would be much appreciated. If you didn't get the email or prefer it sent to another address, please ping me at melina123 at gmail. Thanks very much. -Melina 20:35, 14 November 2009 (UTC)
Hello, MPH. It seems that a publisher/artist who gave the FH wiki permission to use her covers has something against Fanlore using them too but for some reason chose to not address this with anyone editing articles on Fanlore. I added everything to this discussion page and sent an email to the wiki committee. Until we know more, I think it's best not to add any more images from there. Do you know if all the covers from this publisher's zines come from the FH wiki or were there other sources? I'm not sure what to remove and thought maybe you have a list or something. :) ETA: And I see you've already started removing the covers. Thank you! You are awesome! :D --Doro 15:59, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
- It's not a problem to take them down. This project's too important to get derailed by a handful of A-Team zines. ;-) Mrs. Potato Head 16:06, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
I've replied over on my talk page. Franzeska 18:41, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
I think I fixed everything from your list. :) --Doro 22:12, 22 December 2009 (UTC)
That is so wonderful, Doro. Those goofy things were sticking in my craw. Mrs. Potato Head 23:33, 22 December 2009 (UTC)