Talk:Wings in Fanworks

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Is being "whimsical" really an intrinsic part of wingfic as a genre? I've read wingfic that was really angsty and the way the wings got onto the character wasn't random or unexplained but long plots like the character being abducted and experimented upon by mad scientists which weren't out of the realm of possiblity within the canon of the shows. --RatCreature 04:24, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

(ay-sayer) Yeah. Not an expert on wingfic, but I remember this popslash AU which was too angsty and decidedly non-cracky to be called whimsical.--Lian 04:36, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
I agree with you, it's sometimes whimsical but not always. And Lotrips has had a lot of wingfic. Speaking of which, I'm going to add horn!fic and tail!fic to this, because they were very much inspired by wingfic, but don't need their own pages.
Did wingfic first appear in Lotrips, or does it predate the fandom? Meanwhile, I moved the "whimsical" description into a separate paragraph.--Aethel 15:33, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
There was wingfic in Popslash before thre was wingfic in Lotrips - though I would not swear that it originated in Popslash either.--anatsuno 15:42, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
I think there were wingfic stories in The Professionals, but I can't recall any specific ones, so I might be wrong about that. I do know that wingfic was popularized by the fusion of anime fans with popslash. There might have been scattered stories before then, but that is really where the deluge came from. And then the popslash fans brought that into SGA, which is where crack!fic came from. I'm not sure about how HP fits in, but I think they did a lot of this stuff on their own. --rache 16:02, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
Er, sidenote but, I remember reading crack in Lotrips before there was an SGA to speak of... Popslasher were probably the ones bringing it, too, but I wouldn't say that crackfic was born in SGA, if that's what you meant.--anatsuno 16:08, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
Nope! I wasn't saying that either the term or the ideas originated there. It's just that the fandom has a reputation for a lot of crackfic (and really, the rep is deserved!), and I think when the popslasers drifted in, they brought their acceptance of that sort of whimsy with them, creating an environment where it could really flourish. --rache 16:11, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

Oh, and another noob-y question -- does the character *sprout* wings *in* the fic? I'm assuming that characters re-imagined as descended from a winged race/people (i.e., born with wings, in a winged society) would still qaulify as wingfic. (yeah, I realize the question is kinda... dumb?) --Lian 05:10, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

They could sprout wings within the story or be re-imagined as already having them. Wingfic is pretty flexible. I guess someone should add all these variations to the article... --Aethel 12:06, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

Would it be worthwhile to add links to wingfic archives/listings? I know that popslash has one, but don't know about LotR. -- Maggie 15:39, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

I would say yes. Examples are good. --Aethel 15:58, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

Here the emergence of wingfic is traced back to popslash, but I'm pretty sure it predates that. I don't have sources to back this up, but I suspect it emerged from anime and video game fandoms, where characters with wings have for a long time been a huge part of the culture. -- Ivy03 11:28, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

I added this to the article. I don't have a source for this either, but it makes sense intuitively.--Aethel 23:58, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
The Theban Band had XF wing manips. Mostly Krycek, but Mulder and Scully too. I don't know when because I can't access the site right now. My guess is it was before popslash. --Doro 09:42, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

More Examples

I moved the cover here because I couldn't find a good way to integrate it into the article.

maybe a gallery of covers for examples that aren't talked about in the text?--RatCreature 19:02, 14 March 2010 (UTC)
Yeah, maybe. I would like to have a few more examples before we make a gallery, though. Just adding a single image to a gallery looks weird on this page, I tried. :/ And I would be happy if we could maybe have art depicting women too. Maybe a Xena screenshot? Both Xena and Gabrielle had wings in canon at the same time. Hmm. --Doro 20:02, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

Found a Professionals example. File:Fantazine3.jpg--æþel 00:32, 8 August 2011 (UTC)

Here's a Starsky one, and a Quantum Leap one is there any reason we don't have a gallery for this page? --Mrs. Potato Head 01:55, 8 August 2011 (UTC)

renaming the page

Renaming this page was discussed on dreamwidth a while ago, but I saw it mentioned again in a recent dreamwidth comment. The page starts off defining the fanfic genre, but there are a lot of fanart examples on the page, including the history section, and I think the content could easily be tweaked to justify a name like Wings in Fanworks. What say you? (BTW, redirect pages can get categories, so Wingfic could still appear in the Glossary.--æþel 03:12, 26 September 2012 (UTC)

Wings in Fanworks seems ambiguous to me. I mean airplanes and birds have wings. Also, there are quite a few canonically winged characters in comics (e.g. Hawkman, Angel). Would they belong there, too? My impression was that "wingfic" was about AU wingedness. --Greer Watson 07:45, 26 September 2012 (UTC)
For what it's worth, I originally mentioned fanart as a reference because I remembered wingfic to be older than the page claimed back then and there is often back and forth between art and fic, so when there was art, chances are that there was fic too. The manip I mentioned was from a site where the owners also maintained an archive and sometimes had challenges based on art, so it wasn't that unlikely that I remembered correctly. I think keeping glossary term pages is important so maybe it would make more sense to move the art to separate page that talks about wings in fanart. Maybe Wing Art? Wings in Fanart? That could include canonical wing inspiration, talk about what kind of wings are represented (feathers, bat wings, dragon wings?), how manips are done, etc. --Doro 11:11, 26 September 2012 (UTC)
What about just Wings? MegR 11:21, 26 September 2012 (UTC)
My vote would be for Wings in Fanworks. There could be a section on that page for wingfic, wingart, for canonical wingedness... Wingfic could then become a glossary term with a link to Wings in Fanworks. --Mrs. Potato Head 14:01, 26 September 2012 (UTC)
I would also prefer Wings in Fanworks, even though it could become quite a long page. Just "Wings" seems to vague, and if we divide it into Wingfic and Wings in Fanart we could have the same debate about where to put cosplay wings. If the page becomes too long we could still make a separate page for the longest section.--Tiyire 19:47, 26 September 2012 (UTC)
Hmm. I see now why it hasn't been changed yet. Wingfic = handy term clearly referring to just AU wings. The non fic-specific version of Wingfic would be Winged Character AU? Which is not a fannish term. Multiple pages seems the way to go. Wingfic + Wings in Fanworks? Or Wingfic + Wings in Fanart + Wings in Fanworks? --æþel 00:06, 27 September 2012 (UTC) PS found tvtropes wing tropes
I'm against multiple pages to start with, there is so much overlap. I think Wings in Fanworks is clunky but I suppose it's the best option. MegR 13:31, 27 September 2012 (UTC)
I agree. Too many similarly named pages make them hard to edit, and to find. If we had Wings in Fanworks, it would be a base. There could be specific sections in it for various wingedness, and if/when a section got too big, it could then stay on the main page as a subject but become a link to its own page. Zines and Kirk/Spock (TOS) are two examples of pages that do that fairly well. --Mrs. Potato Head 13:47, 27 September 2012 (UTC)
Well, for now there would be two - one for fic and one for art. I don't think that's too many and especially the wing trope would make for a good art centric page. --Doro 14:19, 27 September 2012 (UTC)
Two pages also works for me. And the more art-centric pages, the better. --Mrs. Potato Head 15:05, 27 September 2012 (UTC)
Well, no, there would have to be three then, for things that are not either fic or art. MegR 15:17, 27 September 2012 (UTC)

Any major objections to renaming this page Wingfic and Wings in Fanart? --MPH (talk) 22:16, 31 January 2016 (UTC)

I object. I'd go with Wings in Fanworks and add the glossary category to the Wingfic redirect.--aethel (talk) 23:43, 31 January 2016 (UTC)
That works for me, too, though I'm not exactly sure what you mean by the glossary category thing. I just don't want this page to be fic-exclusive. If no one else objects, could you set that up? --MPH (talk) 00:47, 1 February 2016 (UTC)
Wingfic is a glossary term. Someone searching for meaning of the term should be able to find it. I would prefer to keep the Wingfic page and have a separte one for Wings in Fanart. There are fic specific tropes and there are art specific tropes and not everything needs to be one one page. --Doro (talk) 11:58, 1 February 2016 (UTC)
A separate page for Wings in Fanart works for me. In my earlier comment, I meant that you can add a category to a redirect and it will show up in the category page.--aethel (talk) 02:55, 3 February 2016 (UTC)
I'm not a fan of having (just) Wingfic and Wings in Fanart. That wouldn't leave any room to discuss wings in fanworks that are neither fic nor art (cosplay wings, are there wing fancrafts? wingvids? and things like doujinshi straddle the line between fic and art), or to discuss wings in fanworks as a general theme. I agree that a glossary category on a Wingfic redirect would be needed, and I also don't see a problem with breaking Wingfic into its own article if its section on Wings in Fanworks were too long.
(For reference, I believe this is the Dreamwidth discussion mentioned at the top of this section, which also led to the discussion at Talk:Tentacles.) --sparc 06:02, 3 February 2016 (UTC)
Trying to follow all this: So, one page for "Wings in Fanworks" or maybe just "Wings" (like the Tentacles page?). That single page would have sections on Wingfic, Wings in Fanart, Wings in Cosplay, Other Wings. If one of those sections got too long, it could break out into its own page and have a short introduction and link on the main page, like we do for many other pages. Wingfic would redirect to the Wing page, or if that was a page that is long enough to be its own page, which I think it is, it would redirect to the Wingfic page, and on the Wingfic page there would be a line at the top that says "see Wings for more uses of Wings in fanworks." Is this close to some sort of solution? :) --MPH (talk) 13:17, 3 February 2016 (UTC)
Wings in Fanworks or Wings are both fine by me. Just the current state of affairs needs to change.--aethel (talk) 22:20, 8 February 2016 (UTC)
Retitled. Needs some other work. --MPH (talk) 22:32, 8 February 2016 (UTC)

Early canon wingfic?

I don't know if it's relevant, but the Doctor Who novel State of Change (published December 1994) seems to fit the genre. Peri is transformed into a birdlike hybrid (as she briefly was in the TV episode "Vengeance on Varos") -- but unlike in the televised series, she gains a full-sized set of wings and the ability to fly. JohnAmendAll (talk) 18:03, 4 January 2014 (UTC)

Wings in cosplay?

I'd like to help fill out this section, but I'm guessing that wings in cosplay are only relevant to this page if they appear on a character who doesn't have wings in canon, and I can't find any examples of cosplays which feature wings where the character doesn't already have wings in canon. Can someone with more knowledge than me help out on this? enchantedsleeper (talk) 18:00, 25 November 2017 (UTC)