Talk:Spock/McCoy (TOS)

I see this page was edited by an annoyed shipper. While fanlore isn't the appropriate setting for ship-bashing or ship-defending, it does look a little weird that a pairing page has a "Reaction" section containing one quote when that quote is against the ship. If someone could add more quotes to the section, that would be great.--æþel 20:40, 10 June 2012 (UTC)

I'm not sure what's happening, but someone is under my watching list and hopefully these annoyed shippers will not continue doing that. --Tuulia 21:02, 10 June 2012 (UTC)

I was the one that added the McCoy/Spock reaction that was "anti" but only because I figured it was going to be one in a long line of reactions that would be added later. Only more examples didn't appear, making the quote unbalanced and odd. I didn't intend to offend, only to add a perspective. I hope some other "pro" examples can be found, and the part removed put back in. --Mrs. Potato Head 21:21, 10 June 2012 (UTC)

Your comment was put back in. I'm in agreement with that as of now, as the page is much more balanced. I do thank you for the original comment anyway, because it forced the S/Mc'ers to update the page a little bit. --Tprillahfiction 23:34, 10 June 2012 (UTC)tprillahfiction

I'm the one who removed the anti-S/Mc and removed the anti-S/Mc things from the page. I was recently informed the page had been written like this. I saved the original reaction, just in case so it can be replaced if need be. Nobody is "Stalking" any K/S'ers or watching them, whatever. We're just going to be watching our page a little better now. Please do not bash our ship, K/S'ers. We love you, we do not bash you. Please do not do the same to us. The S/Mc ship is cannon in our minds and will always be so. --Tprillahfiction 21:32, 10 June 2012 (UTC)tprillahfiction

No disrespect or bashing was intended, Tprillahfiction. Maybe you could add some other comments and reactions? The page certainly needs more content, and all points of view are welcome! The more S/Mc ship information, the better. --Mrs. Potato Head 21:39, 10 June 2012 (UTC)

I added a lot more Spock/MCcoy content and found a quote to balance the negative one. Hopefully, more will be added down the road. Wiki pages take time to build.--MeeDee 22:49, 10 June 2012 (UTC)

Thank you Mrs. Potato Head, I appreciate that. Seriously we love you K/S shippers. We really do. We would never try to alter the K/S page or cause trouble. And I appreciate your reply. One of the other S/Mc shippers is writing something to post on the page. --Tprillahfiction 21:48, 10 June 2012 (UTC)tprillahfiction

Tprillahfiction, I think you may not understand what is being meant by "canon pairing" here. Spock/McCoy is just as canon as Kirk/Spock--which is to say, it isn't. If you go to either of the Kirk/Spock pages, you will find that they do not say the pairing is canon in the infobox, and if they did I would change that too. It's got nothing to do with liking or respecting the pairing, and everything to do with whether it is an actual onscreen romance. If you want to add more modifiers we can work with that, but you can't flatly say it's a canon pairing when--like 90% of all slash pairings--it just isn't.--Greenygal 22:23, 10 June 2012 (UTC)

Oh Greenygal. I understand perfectly well, what canon is. I think of K/S as being canon, AND S/Mc as being canon. Just because YOU don't see it, doesn't make it not so. I can say it's a canon pairing as I feel it is. So there! Greenygal, it's not that big a deal, really it isn't. Can't you just leave it as is? --Tprillahfiction 22:38, 10 June 2012 (UTC)tprillahfiction

Um, no, I can't, because it's misinformation on the page. You can think of it as canon all you like, and in terms of your own feelings and fannish interaction that's great. But it's still not objectively canon no matter how fans feel about it. And one more time, it has nothing to do with what I see or don't see about the relationship and everything to do with it not being an onscreen romance.--Greenygal 22:52, 10 June 2012 (UTC)

For the purposes of tagging/categorizing here on Fanlore, Canon = on screen. So in the TOS universe, Uhura/Spock would not be canonical, for Reboot universe is it. Most all slash on Fanlore is listed as non-canonical and is subject to the same "tagging/category" requirements. Does not mean any of us think the slash pairings are less 'real" or likely, just that the relationship is not seen on the screen - and so these offscreen pairings are tagged as "non-canon." Hope that helps clarify.--MeeDee 22:58, 10 June 2012 (UTC)

Okay, then I must agree with this. Not canon. XD I'll change it to "No" if somebody already hasn't. --Tprillahfiction 23:28, 10 June 2012 (UTC)tprillahfiction

Spock/McCoy in AOS?

I noticed that this page is called Spock/McCoy (TOS) but that there's no Spock/McCoy (2009) page. Can info about Reboot!Spock/McCoy be easily incorporated in this article? If so, it should be moved to Spock/McCoy (like Kirk/McCoy). Otherwise, is there enough information to justify making a separate Spock/McCoy (2009) page? --sparc 07:54, 13 June 2012 (UTC)

Actually, the Kirk/McCoy page should be split into Kirk/McCoy (TOS) and Kirk/McCoy (2009), not the other way around. See Kirk/Spock (2009), Kirk/Spock (TOS), Kirk/Uhura (TOS), Spock/Uhura (2009), Spock/Uhura (TOS), James T. Kirk (TOS), James T. Kirk (2009), Leonard McCoy (TOS), Leonard McCoy (2009), Spock (2009), Spock (TOS), Uhura (TOS), Nyota Uhura (2009), etc. --Doro 11:47, 13 June 2012 (UTC)

I see what you mean, but according to the Kirk/McCoy page there wasn't much of a fandom for the pairing in TOS, making it easy just to talk about briefly on a general Kirk/McCoy page rather than have an AOS page plus a TOS page that just says "this pairing doesn't really exist". I suspect the reverse may be true for Kirk/Spock Spock/McCoy (is it very popular in AOS? I haven't seen much of it). But if y'all want to keep TOS and AOS pages totally distinct then that's cool too and Kirk/McCoy should be moved and Spock/McCoy should at least get a disambiguation page. --sparc 17:56, 13 June 2012 (UTC)

There is a lot of fanfiction/art/vids/etc about Kirk/Spock (2009) so it definitely needs a separate page IMHO. And I would say easily there's more K/S AOS fics than there are S/U AOS fics and S/U is canon (probably stemming from the fact that plenty of TOS writers write reboot fics). I do know that Spock/McCoy in TOS was much more popular than Kirk/McCoy. It seems like K/M was pretty rare in TOS fandom. --Shivohn Songbreeze 18:12, 13 June 2012 (UTC)

Oops, I meant "I suspect the reverse may be true for Spock/McCoy" -- K/S is definitely popular in both! --sparc 18:46, 13 June 2012 (UTC)

LOL. Though there needs to be an OT3 page for all the Kirk/McCoy/Spock floating around. I mean there are even zines with that specific paring. --Shivohn Songbreeze 18:52, 13 June 2012 (UTC)

misplaced quote?

The review quoted in the caption for the Gayle F. story illustration for None There Embrace is actually for the fic and not the art. I recommend creating a separate page for the fic and moving the quote there.--æþel 01:16, 27 September 2012 (UTC)

Made the page. Though I'm not sure why the art can't be on both. --Mrs. Potato Head 01:38, 27 September 2012 (UTC)

Thanks! The art should be on both, I think. The quote was just messing up the image gallery formatting and wasn't specifically about the art. It would also be good to figure out if the story is slash. I can't be sure from the reviews, but it sounds like McCoy can't offer the Fuck or Die solution.--æþel 00:11, 28 September 2012 (UTC)