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There have been two aliases added to this page. Regarding the first new one--has this been publicly claimed as an alias by Aja? I was aware of some speculation on an anonmeme about this one, but never heard that she had claimed the name. (I am not in Inception fandom, however.) The second one is a community with no posts on Livejournal, so I'm unclear about that one. If these aliases are not publicly claimed by Aja, they should not be listed here. If they have been, perhaps a cite is in order to avoid further confusion.--facetofcathy 16:47, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

Not sure what the etiquette is for contributing to my own Talk page, but "suitporn" is the name of one of my 2 public twitter accounts ("ajafair" is the other one) and not an actual fandom handle that I use for anything. Same with moleskinned--all the public content on that journal is duplicated on my LJ, bookshop, and the handle itself was never intended as a fandom identity. -- bookshop 15:25, 12 May 2011 (EST)

I don't see anything wrong with commenting on your own Talk page (or with editing your own article for that matter--this ain't Wikipedia). Comment threads are automatically both cited and PPOV, after all. Franzeska 20:10, 12 May 2011 (UTC)
I think you're also the most likely person to know the answer too! I was mostly concerned that this might be a connection that wasn't public, not being in the loop enough to judge.--facetofcathy 20:49, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

Journalist work

There has recently been some controversy about her work for the DailyDot, specifically around an article she was planning to write on Hockey RPF fandom. One of the critical responses, for later reference: Re: Aja’s “The crumbling of the fourth wall” --Tiyire (talk) 22:07, 14 January 2013 (UTC)

More material for page? Some links, anyway ...

The Andy Blake article

Other

Not sure if it deserves inclusion but I loled over Aja anonfailing on the X meme. A "random nonny" showed up to defend Aja - but that nonny was, in fact, Aja herself, who accidentally posted logged in! Aja deleted, but somewhat acknowledged the situation by reposting the comment on anon. People were amused.

Thank you

To other wiki people who have made corrections and to the heroic referencing of MeeDee!

Suggestion

The OTW stuff could be edited into the main chronology, if anyone is so inclined. - Randomnonny (talk) 05:39, 16 March 2015 (UTC)

Andrew Blake article break-out?

It looks like there's enough material to create a separate page for discussion around The Strange Lives of Andrew Blake. --æþel (talk) 01:49, 17 March 2015 (UTC)

Yes, certainly! I, however, spent more time than was good for my brain reading stuff about that during the last few days, and for the sake of my mental health, have to back off for a bit. Seriously. --MPH (talk) 02:37, 17 March 2015 (UTC)
I too am swamped but I think a breakout would be good, along with more points of view. I added the PPOV notice to the article page to get the discussion rolling.--MeeDee (talk) 05:19, 17 March 2015 (UTC)
OK, I'll take a stab at it tonight/tomorrow.--æþel (talk) 23:13, 17 March 2015 (UTC)

The 'Fanfiction Syllabus' article (March 2015)

I'd like to move most of this to the separate Fanlore article. I'm going to move it quick and hope my edit doesn't get in someone's way. After I've moved it, I'll stay out of the way. --MPH (talk) 13:57, 18 March 2015 (UTC)

All done. --MPH (talk) 15:04, 18 March 2015 (UTC)
I was moving this to the talk page of the other Fanlore article while you moved it to the main page. The content of the talk page there can now probably be deleted. ^^° --Doro (talk) 15:59, 18 March 2015 (UTC)

Clarification about the anon meme she hosted on journalfen

"A few months later she hosted an anon-meme, and deleted it due to concerns that IP addresses of posters could be determined. Some people were unhappy and/or amused about it.[10][11]"

The 'ip addresses' thing - she said that I, Sepiamagpie, was able to see the ip addresses on her personal journal with the ip logging off and was sharing them and then shortly after she deleted everything. I'm still not sure why to this day, I hadn't spoken to her, spoken of the entry, or even participated in it and I only saw the comment where she said it by someone linking it to me just in time.

But! I thought that might make that detail more interesting since she ascribed supernatural powers to someone - I decided that since I was involved it was best I don't edit that section. Crantz (talk) 18:44, 12 November 2015 (UTC)

Deletion

Hi Bookshop we don't typically do whole scale deletions without discussion. Can you clarify why the materials were deleted? MeeDee (talk) 17:30, 11 April 2016 (UTC)

Sorry I was editing the entire page and just explained in the latest update what the edits were. I replaced a link to an unnecessarily long list of individual articles with a link to my entire byline which is pretty much an ongoing look at fandom reporting. And I also added in the "fandom" section which is, again, an ongoing look at the Daily Dot's fandom reporting between 2012 through 2014. Also if you guys agree to remove the long list of individual articles, could you maybe consider removing the editorial quality label at the top of the page? I feel like this is overall a pretty balanced page given how much worse it could be, and the long list of articles is the only thing that I think qualifies it for the "unnecessary focus on one specific topic" warning. - Aja

Oh and I should also note that I viewed the long list of individual articles as hopelessly incomplete and in no way an accurate representation of what the "biggest" or more impactful fandom articles I wrote at the Daily Dot were. The list seemed chosen randomly out of the many many many articles about fandom I wrote on a weekly basis over a 4-year period, and the fact it stopped after 2014 added to its overall uselessness. (Although our section name changed from "fandom" to "geek" we continued from 2014 on to write constantly about fandom.) - Aja (talk) 17:59, 11 April 2016 (UTC)

We could move the material much lower on the page (keep the by-line link at the top with a note - a selection of specific fandom articles below. or even put the list on a sub page. I am not particular about it, just as long as the material is not deleted. The problem with only linking to a byline is (a) Fanlore editors presumably chose these articles for a reason to highlight aspects of your reporting. Feel free to add more to the list if you think it is incomplete or one-sided (b) things go offline are moved -too many broken links, which is why we prefer to keep content on Fanlore (in addition to linking for both comprehensiveness and sourcing/crediting).
The PPOV label is not because there was too much focus on one thing. It is because some editors feel that the content and perspectives may be unbalanced - that differing opinions are needed. But I'll toss that question back to others - do we think the article (sans the list of articles which is IMHO just factual) one sided? Do we need more POV? MeeDee (talk) 18:00, 11 April 2016 (UTC)
I guess I'd like to strongly protest the list of articles because to actually make it accurate, based on the random and haphazard way the deleted list was curated, i.e. randomly and haphazardly, adding to it would involve just adding literally dozens or hundreds more articles to balance out these. To be clear, I have no idea why these particular fandom articles were chosen for inclusion here other than that they were things that came up for Fanlore contributors when googling. So I'd have no idea how to accurately add to the list in a meaningful way. There is no particular significance to them in so far as they represent only a small piece of my work as a journalist and generally sparked no meaningful conversation, and IMO they add nothing to the overall discussion about my work as a journalist, and so are just as well served with a general byline link. That is — I'm not opposed to a general list of articles, just the random thoughtlessness of this particular list, haha. Thanks. :) - Aja (talk) 18:05, 11 April 2016 (UTC)
If you disagree with content you don't delete it whole-sale. This is what the Talk page is for - it means less work for the editors if they have to go back and undo large deletions that were done without discussion. I suggest that we move the list to the bottom of the page and add a note asking people to add to the list along with a note that this is only a small selection of the many articles you have written. You may not see the significance in their selection but the people who put them there did. Right now the main complaint is that you do not agree with choices on the list and that it is incomplete. The link to the full by-line at the top of the page should cover the "incompleteness" concern and the qualifier should help set the list in its context. As a side note: this is a perfect example PPOV - one person sees a random list, the other sees interesting choices made by multiple editors over a period of time. MeeDee (talk) 18:20, 11 April 2016 (UTC)
Also while I guess it would be nice if the "Involvement in Fandom" section actually had some positive things to say about me, I did not make that section and cannot police what goes into it or who adds to it, so I guess I'm ok if the PPOV banner stays up for that reason; but I guess I was just thinking, given that it was inevitable that these controversies have been included, they've generally been included neutrally, especially if the additional context I provided is allowed to remain. (I'm not going near the off-shoot pages, however.) - Aja (talk) 18:13, 11 April 2016 (UTC)
My suggestions: 1) winnow down the list of article links to include more representation in terms of subject, fandom, notability, and date. 2) make sure that there is a robust section to pages on Fanlore that are about specific articles, and if we need more, I'd be happy to create them. 3) Find some more positive comments to put on the section/s that are lacking. 4) Remove the PPOV, as per request. --MPH (talk) 19:39, 11 April 2016 (UTC)
Sounds like an excellent plan MPH. elfwreck may also be taking a look at the list today to see if she can winnow them down. I'll see if I can come up with some suggestions as well.MeeDee (talk) 20:03, 11 April 2016 (UTC)

Rollback edits

I rolled back bookshop's edits (visible here) while we figure out how to improve the page and sort out the wall of links. There were a lot of different changes included in the two edits that are hard to untangle. I will re-add the changes that seem non-controversial to me in a separate edit that can easily be undone if I'm wrong.--aethel (talk) 02:42, 12 April 2016 (UTC)

Here is my attempt to reincorporate bookshop's additions and revisions. Of note, bookshop removed a few instances of other fans' reactions to her, which I have retained. Fanlore has a PPOV policy, which means opposing or negative views can and should be included. Obviously we want to be fair and balanced, but we also want to explain accurately what the different viewpoints are and who holds them. No one will trust Fanlore as a resource if the page on Aja is a glowing recommendation when a large section of the fandom, rightly or wrongly, does not approve of her.--aethel (talk) 03:26, 12 April 2016 (UTC)
I definitely wasn't trying to make this entire page a glowing recommendation for myself — you can see obviously how much negative criticism I left in. I just removed I think 2? comments that seemed to be completely dismissive and irrelevant ad hominem attacks more about me as a person and not whatever the subject was. - Aja, 12 April 4:45 pm EST

Grouping Articles

It will help the winnowing if we group the articles that are there by topic. Someone can then look to see what new articles have been written that might fit in better. Possibly select 2 per subject.These are loose groupings so feel free to edit or move or make up more.

This only includes 2012. I will work on the following year and add to this section so please hold off any edits until I have sorted through everything on the page.


Years In Review

  • 10 famous authors who write fanfiction by Aja Romano (August 30, 2012). From E.L. James to Neil Gaiman, these authors are blurring the distinction between fiction and fanfiction.
  • The top 10 events that changed fandom in 2012 by Aja Romano (December 20, 2012). These events not only shaped the year in fandom but will continue to impact fans long after 2012.
  • The 10 best tales of online drama from 10 years of Fandom_Wank by Aja Romano (March 11, 2013).


Teen Wolf (we could really winnow these down)

  • Tumblr in a tizzy after "Teen Wolf" skipped at Teen Choice Awards by Aja Romano (July 23, 2012). Could a fandom-favored queer pairing become canon by popular demand?
  • Cookies for Sterek: "Teen Wolf" fan campaign takes Internet by storm by Aja Romano (September 20, 2012). Teen Wolf fans are baking cookies for show creator Jeff Davis to persuade him to pair up the show's two male leads, scoring a trending Twitter hashtag along the way. It's so crazy that it just might work.
  • Sterek wins! "Teen Wolf" couple is the most popular in fandom by Aja Romano (September 24, 2012). After over 4 million votes were cast, "Sterek"—the same-sex pairing of Teen Wolf leads Stiles and Derek—came out on top of a poll that fans helped inspire.
  • Entertainment Weekly snubs gay "Teen Wolf" pairing in TV relationship poll by Aja Romano (August 17, 2012). EW asked readers which TV relationship pairing they'd like to see, but overwhelming nominations for a fan-favorite pairing of Teen Wolf's male leads were apparently ignored.
  • Cookies for Sterek: "Teen Wolf" fan campaign takes Internet by storm by Aja Romano (September 20, 2012). Teen Wolf fans are baking cookies for show creator Jeff Davis to persuade him to pair up the show's two male leads, scoring a trending Twitter hashtag along the way. It's so crazy that it just might work.
  • Sterek wins! "Teen Wolf" couple is the most popular in fandom by Aja Romano (September 24, 2012). After over 4 million votes were cast, "Sterek"—the same-sex pairing of Teen Wolf leads Stiles and Derek—came out on top of a poll that fans helped inspire.
  • "Teen Wolf" fans bite Entertainment Weekly, get new poll at After Elton by Aja Romano (August 22, 2012). After Entertainment Weekly left a popular same-sex Teen Wolf pairing out of a TV relationship poll, gay-focused pop culture website After Elton started a new poll just for same-sex 'ships.
  • Slash-friendly "Teen Wolf" fanfic contest announced Friday by Aja Romano (August 27, 2012). MTV is embracing its fandom like no other. Perhaps other content creators should take note.
  • 10 favorites from the "Teen Wolf" fanart contest on deviantART by Aja Romano (June 11, 2013). "This might hurt"? Nah, this won't hurt a bi
  • Why Tumblr's "Sherlock" fans are howling about "Teen Wolf" by Aja Romano (February 22, 2013). A misinterpreted Tumblr reblog set off a turf war between two of TV's strongest fandoms
  • 10 favorites from the "Teen Wolf" fanart contest on deviantART by Aja Romano (June 11, 2013). "This might hurt"? Nah, this won't hurt a bit.
  • Here's the fanart the 'Teen Wolf' production team picked to decorate their own offices by Aja Romano (May 21, 2014). The post-production team of Teen Wolf shared their office fanart gallery with the rest of us—and enlisted a few Teen Wolf actors to help.

Race Issues

  • Debate about race and relationship pairings bites Teen Wolf fandom by Aja Romano (August 02, 2012). Online arguments about race in MTV's Teen Wolf have gotten so heated that show creator Jeff Davis deleted his Tumblr, but there may be something else driving all the drama.
  • Black Cat cosplayer sexually harassed at Comic Con becomes Tumblr hero by Aja Romano (October 16, 2012). Cosplayer and fashion designer Mandy Caruso found support onTumblr after being harassed by an interviewer at New York Comic Con.

General Slash

  • Taylor Swift parody becomes an anthem for Tumblr's slash fans by Aja Romano (October 09, 2012). "They Are Never Ever Gonna Get Together" goes out to all the fans of fictional male/male couples we're probably not going to see on TV or in the movies any time soon.
  • After Elton's TV slash relationship poll gets huge response from fandom by Aja Romano (August 27, 2012). After an Entertainment Weekly TV poll snubbed a popular gay relationship,fans who want to see male characters together on their favorite shows got a poll of their own from After Elton. Hundreds of thousands of votes have already been cast.
  • For young women in China, slash fanfiction is a dangerous hobby by Aja Romano (April 18, 2014). Chinese authorities have arrested at least 20 people for the crime of writing male/male fanfic.

Basic Fan Primers

  • How to speak fangirl by Aja Romano (August 06, 2012). A comprehensive guide to kinds of fanfiction, pairing terms, and other kinds of fanwork.
  • A beginner's guide to fandom by Aja Romano (August 07, 2012). What it is, where to find it, and what's up with making straight men gay?
  • "Bandom" isn't just a term for fans of any band. It usually refers to a group of early-2000s rock groups such as Fall Out Boy, Panic! at the Disco, and My Chemical Romance.

50 Shades of Grey/FanFic Going Pro

  • "50 Shades of Grey" fanfiction disappears from the Web by Aja Romano (August 27, 2012). After a revealing article compared her work to Fifty Shades of Grey, author Casea Major yanked all mentions of her book, Devil's Brand, for her site and others.
  • Where to find the good (fanfiction) porn by Aja Romano (August 17, 2012). As the massive popularity of 50 Shades of Grey has proven, readers need more quality, erotic fiction. Here's where to look.
  • One Direction fanfiction author signed to book deal by Aja Romano (October 08, 2012). Penguin is hoping Emily Baker's story about making out with two members of the boyband One Direction will be the next Fifty Shades of Grey.A beginner's guide to bandom by Aja Romano (February 11, 2013).
  • Behind "Captive Prince," S.U. Pacat's bestselling work of slave erotica by Aja Romano (February 15, 2013). The author discusses publishing online, her fanbase, the difference between writing fanfic and original work. (about Captive Prince)

Sherlock

  • Sherlock fandom celebrates Red Pants Monday by Aja Romano (August 20, 2012). How one piece of slash fan art spawned a Tumblr-wide meme.
  • "Sherlock" vs. "Elementary" debate leads to Tumblr tag wars and fandom bickering by Aja Romano (September 10, 2012). Supporters of two modern-day takes on Sherlock Holmes—the BBC's Sherlock and CBS's Elementary—are in the midst of an online fight that has spawned several new Tumblr tags.
  • WTF is Superwholock? by Aja Romano (October 05, 2012). In short, it's a complex and creative crossover in fandom that combines the worlds of Supernatural, Doctor Who, and Sherlock.

KPop (this could fit into the primer's but I'd really like to see these highlighted?)

  • Gangnam Style: A beginner’s guide to K-pop fandom by Aja Romano (September 03, 2012). Don't know the difference between TVXQ and EXO? This comprehensive guide should help.


Supernatural

  • How 1 question triggered a "Supernatural" fandom meltdown by Aja Romano (May 06, 2013). Was actor Jensen Ackles suddenly stricken with homophobia? Well, this is fandom, and it's a lot more complicated than that.
  • Fans petition for Robert Pattinson to hunt vampires on "Supernatural" by Aja Romano (July 12, 2013). The Twilight star hated Twilight so much that he'd probably jump at the chance to metaphorically murder it.
  • Why fans have high hopes (but low expectations) for 'Supernatural' by Aja Romano (May 19, 2014). Supernatural's success is intrinsically tied to its fandom—so when will it give the fans what they want?


Yuletide

  • Yuletide, the Internet's biggest "Secret Santa" fanfiction exchange, turns 10 by Aja Romano (October 01, 2012). Instead of traditional presents, thousands of Yuletide participants give original fanfiction to delight fans of obscure movies, books, historical figures and more.
  • Behind the scenes of the Internet's biggest fanfiction exchange by Aja Romano (October 03, 2012). Moderator elynross opens up about the best and sexiest fanfiction expected this season.


Interactions With TPTB/The Fourth Wall

  • “Supernatural” star’s Greatest International Scavenger Hunt attracts 10,000 contestants by Aja Romano (October 22, 2012). Last year, Supernatural star Misha Collins set a world record by sending fans on a scavenger hunt that spanned the world and the Internet. Now it’s back, and even bigger.
  • Why fans are outraged at Sherlock and Watson reading sexy fanfic by Aja Romano (December 16, 2013).The crumbling of the fourth wall: Why fandom shouldn't hide anymore by Aja Romano (January 08, 2013). The Fourth Wall is fandom's way of protecting itself from outsider prying eyes, harsh judgments, and possible real-life repercussions. Here's why we need to stop being ashamed and let the public in.
  • Amazon and the buyout of fandom culture by Aja Romano (May 27, 2013). Corporate entities have woken up and smelled the fandom. Now they're all over it.
  • How the creator of 'Vampire Diaries' used Kindle Worlds to get back at her publisher by Aja Romano (February 10, 2014). LJ Smith's publisher tried to cut her out, but she used fanfiction to get the last laugh.
  • How author Lev Grossman bridges fandom and fiction by Aja Romano (July 20, 2012). The bestselling author of The Magicians discusses Harry Potter, fandom, and how he tries to turn down the trolls.


Tumblr

  • Tumblr fandom is the modern-day sonnet (really) by Aja Romano (January 15, 2013). "Crying!" "Boom, my ovaries!" "I can't even." Whether they realize it or not, innumerable fans onTumblr are collectively evolving a 700-year-old poetic tradition.
  • Why Yahoo can't buy fandom on Tumblr by Aja Romano (May 24, 2013).


Gender

  • Con director mocks woman's safety request, sparking uproar by Aja Romano (May 01, 2014). The director's public apology has done little to dampen the outrage.

Fandom Meta

  • The case for anonymity in fandom by Aja Romano (September 13, 2012). The moderator for LiveJournal's Fail Fandom Anon discusses memes, privacy, and fandom wank.
  • Fandom Awards are just asking for a bloodbath by Aja Romano (June 19, 2014). MTV apparently looked at Superwholock fandom and saw an opportunity for civil war.

No idea how to Group

  • Rule 34: Why After Elton and VH1 just hooked up on Tumblr by Aja Romano (September 14, 2012). Personified versions of websites After Elton and VH1 are the romantic leads in Tumblr's latest popular fanfiction meme.
  • Online tea shop brews up something special for Sherlock fans by Aja Romano (August 03, 2012). Adagio Teas caters to online fandoms, even featuring fanart on its packaging. Holmes-inspired blends for Sherlock Week are its latest big hit.
  • Did this bestselling author lift her last work from the pages of fanfic? by Aja Romano (September 25, 2013). One reviewer on Goodreads did a side-by-side comparison of a popularTwilight fanfic and Shey Stahl's For the Summer, and it doesn't look good
I've copied this list to my own user talk page. I'm going to work on it there, then post a suggested list here for folks to comment on. --MPH (talk) 12:51, 12 April 2016 (UTC) Added: I'm going to post a suggested list to the main page itself. Please edit and comment. --MPH (talk) 13:54, 12 April 2016 (UTC)

positive things to add to this page

perhaps as subsections under Involvement in Fandom

Example Fanfiction *Love Under Will *Teaching the Indie Kids to Joust Again, Merlin RPF fic

  • external links to other popular fic?

Example Meta *Fannish spaces, girls, and the culture of silence., meta *The flip side. ("Pickering, why can't a woman be more like a man?") *"i know you care for him as much as i do." *I'm done explaining why fanfic is okay[1][2]

  • external links to other popular meta?

mailing lists:

--aethel (talk) 23:53, 11 April 2016 (UTC)

other things to add

I assume these are all fannish.fandom related?

Removal of Link

I am restoring the link to the 2004 autobiography (a 2004 autobiographical essay, posted at notquiteroyal) that was removed by Bookshop a few days ago. Please contact the wiki committee to explain why this link was removed. --MPH (talk) 22:48, 26 December 2019 (UTC)

Deleting a section

I want to delete the "List of Conferences & Conventions" section. It's out of date, but the list has grown much longer at this point and I don't see the point of having all of it on the page. What's already here has been copied directly from Aja's personal record of her appearances and is presented without any original commentary. I don't think it's standard to list all of a fan's convention appearances on their page. I'll add a general overview of her appearances and keep the link to her list after deleting the section. Let me know if there are any issues with this. —caes (talk) 08:43, 27 December 2019 (UTC)

I agree. Your plan is fine with me. --MPH (talk) 15:10, 27 December 2019 (UTC)
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