Talk:Doctor/Master

Since the focus on Fanlore should be fandom and not canon facts, I'd say link to the b_e challenge guides rather than reproduce them here.--æthel 02:12, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

Revision 235298

I noticed that the following sentences were deleted by User:Starchilde (revision 235298) and was a little suspicious because it was done without explanation and was his/her only contribution to the wiki. They were at the very end of the section "Six Era."

These two lend themselves more to bickering, domestic bliss and Actually Having Sex than the painfully USTy relationship between the Doctor’s emotionally repressed predecessor and the same Master. If Five and the Master work as very different but complimentary individuals, Six and the Master work more as mirrors, enjoying a more Three/Delgado!Master or Ten/Simm!Master-esque relationship of similarity and reflection. It’s interesting that Ainley!Master has, throughout his career, both of these marked types of Doctor/Master relationship.

I was hoping that someone more familiar with the topic could ensure that the deletion was appropriate for the scope/clarity of the article and wasn't a mistake or malicious edit. Thanks, --sparc 05:55, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

I am suspicious about that edit as well. However, the "era" subheadings under "Relationship in Canon" section are all problematic--there's a lot of canon plot synopsis and not too much emphasis on fanac. If the sections could be reframed as "4th Doctor/Master fans interpret their dynamic thusly, and here's some fic/discussion/hats they produced", it would be more in keeping with Fanlore's scope.--æþel 23:53, 1 June 2011 (UTC) (P.S. I am not familiar with the Doctor/Master pairing.)

New pages with pairing specific information

The information on this page is mostly canon, and the tropes and fanon section is mostly general tropes applied across most Doctor/Master pairings. Rather than deleting anything or reorganizing this page, I'm considering creating more specific pairing pages for the bigger Doctor/Master ships, that link from here. So a Doctor/Simm!Master page that mostly deals with the tropes and fanworks in the TenSimm pairing. Same for Twissy and 13/Dhawan!Master. I'm afraid I don't know enough about Classic Who to create stubs for the others.

I know it's not how we usually organise pairing pages so I wanted to post here before starting. Any suggestions or objections? --Auntags (talk) 11:28, 27 March 2020 (UTC)

(Replying to this comment as it's somewhat relevant) Also posted this to the Featured Article Nom page: we have this page of The Doctor/The Master in general, but we also have Twissy, SpyDoc, and Ten/Master pages. I'm wondering whether we could create some of the other popular versions, like Three/Master, and then move a lot of the canon stuff specific to each era that's still relevant over to those pages instead? Or heck, even just those three already made as there's literally no canon section in any of them. -- OfMonstersAndWerewolves (talk) 20:09, 13 January 2024 (UTC)

Tagging in Auntags, Kingstoken, and Pinky G Rocket, and of course anyone else who has any thoughts. -- OfMonstersAndWerewolves (talk) 20:09, 13 January 2024 (UTC)

We could make a Three/Master page if we feel there is enough info for it. I still think we should keep the Doctor/Master page though as an overall look at the pairing over time -- Kingstoken (talk) 23:31, 13 January 2024 (UTC)

Yeah, I wasn't suggesting we get rid of the Doctor/Master page, just have it as an overview and have version-specific info and fannish stuff on their own version pages. -- OfMonstersAndWerewolves (talk) 16:04, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

As a NuWho fan (therefore I also have no context on Classic Doctor/Master pairings heh) and after skimming over these pages, I think it’s a good idea. There’s a lot of fan content on each of the specific pairing pages and they are each somewhat different, so we can expand fannish content on those pages, but also obviously they are somewhat connected, so use this Doctor/Master page as an overview to the others and clearly showcase the links to each specific page, etc. Joanna R (talk) 16:13, 15 January 2024 (UTC)

I don't think there's any point to a Three/Master page if its just going to be canon information. Alternatively, we could create a subpage for the canon section, since its very long and its going to continue to grow with new doctors and masters.

We could create Doctor/Master Canon Interactions or something similar, and move all the Era sections in this article to that page. Then leave a note at the bottom of the canon section - For specific information on canon interactions between the Doctor and the Master, see this page. We could also add a note to regeneration specific pages like Twissy, tensimm etc. --Auntags (talk) 13:55, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

The intention wasn't just for canon info on the Three/Master page, but as context for the fandom bits for that page just to reduce the amount of canon stuff on the Doctor/Master page. -- OfMonstersAndWerewolves (talk) 16:04, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

Fair enough, that sounds like a good idea if we have fandom info for the page. I'm just not sure if we have much info on Three/Master, or the other Classic Who D/M pairings. --Auntags (talk) 21:20, 15 January 2024 (UTC)

Removing Episodes From Canon Section=

Under each canon section for each Doctor there is a line about which episodes the Master appears in, I'm thinking we should remove them. They are often mentioned again in the body of the paragraph, and it feels lilke something that should be on a Doctor Who wiki instead of Fanlore. -- Kingstoken (talk) 17:50, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

Moving Canon to Ship Specific Pages

Started a new Header just cause it's getting a bit messy above and might get lost. As an example, I've copied across the Twelve Era over to the Twissy page to get an idea what the ship-specific pages would look like, but I haven't deleted it from the former yet in case anyone had any objections. I can write up a shorter canon section for Twelve Era and post it in here first, if folks would prefer? I can also probably find some fandom stuff for some of the ship-specific pages, especially Three/Master (the only one so far I actually really ship myself in any capacity), Twissy, and maybe SpyDoc to bulk those sections up. -- OfMonstersAndWerewolves (talk) 20:23, 23 January 2024 (UTC)

I think the Twissy page looks good. I don't think there's any reason to cut down the canon section - Yea, its long, but it sticks to the main points and doesn't go into too much detail. When you remove the Twissy canon from this page, will you keep the Twissy section and just have a link out to the pairing page?

There's a part of me that thinks if we're removing some of the regeneration specific canon info, we should remove all of it. Create stubs for all relevant Doctors' eras and just leave a list of links in the canon section. But, most of those pages would be stubs...? --21:58, 4 February 2024 (UTC)

Recommend Removing the Era Info

So much canon on this page! I recommend removing the Era things: https://fanlore.org/wiki/Doctor/Master#Eras --MPH 03:15, 10 March 2024 (UTC)