|See also:||anti-shipper, ship war, shipper|
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An anti-anti is a person who opposes the anti-shipper movement. The term pro-shipper is also used. This term may have arose on Tumblr and/or DreamWidth circa 2015-2016, with people making blogs to track, expose, or otherwise comment on the behavior and beliefs of anti-shippers.
In 2018, who-gives-a-ship conducted a Pro Shipping/Anti Anti Survey. fiction-is-not-reality analysed the results of the survey. The results showed those who call themselves "anti-anti" and those who call themselves "pro-shipper" have a bit of a variance in views and attitudes, suggesting these are not 100% synonymous terms. In 2019, fiction-is-not-reality commented that "Last year's attempt at defining pro-shippers as different from anti-antis unfortunately failed completely because only a bunch of us were actively trying to point out the differences. They're both self-applied label that have less to do with definition and intention and more to do with what the single person likes to think themselves as."
There is also a 2020 survey called the Anti vs Pro-Ship Meta Survey by Tumblr user asterosian, another survey hoping to gather the thoughts and opinions of both anti-shippers and pro-shippers. This survey is ongoing as of Oct 2020 and as yet to show its results.
Opinions and Comments
While pro-shippers may still hold their own personal beliefs, the general concept of a pro-shipper is that they believe "fiction is not reality" and often see every ship as valid, regardless of the opinions others may have towards the ship. For some pro-shippers, this includes incest, non-con, pedophilia, and other forms of relationships that are called unhealthy or problematic. Outside of this, pro-shippers may simply support a ship that receives a lot of hate from its fandom (and this may even be its original meaning), even if it isn't inherently considered problematic by others. Tumblr user Who-gives-a-ship has a long list of beliefs that they hold as a pro-shipper, with the two most in line with pro-shipping being "all ships are good ships" and "fiction and reality have a complicated relationship."
Among pro-shippers, the use of slang from the dystopian novel 1984 is sometimes used synonymously with anti-shippers, and a basic understanding of these terms may be needed to fully grasp some pro-shippers opinions. This includes the phrase "thought crime" and "groupthink." In its original context, "thought crime" means simply thinking of an idea is a punishable crime. Then, "groupthink" can mean something similar to designating someone a"follower;" that someone is being pressured into believing something based on the beliefs of a group, or may even secretly have a different opinion but are staying quiet about it.
Outside of 1984 vernacular, some pro-shippers may also describe anti-shippers as being black-and-white thinkers, pro-censorship, or even authoritarian. From an even more extreme view on anti-shippers, freedom-of-fanfic compares anti-shippers to American protestant Christians, misogynists, TERFs, and says that they use alt-right (a term often seen as an alternative word for nazis) strategies to "win" online controversies. In their lists of opinions, bios, and other discussions on anti-shippers, pro-shippers have argued that anti-shippers are for the harassment and doxxing of those who hold ships they dislike (such as pedophilic and incestuous ships). For example, when a fan of HLVRAI named Metrix-86 was discovered to have a secret Twitter where he drew shota and non-con of the characters, he ended up with two written callout posts and a video essay on YouTube outing his actions. As a result, his art on Tumblr (and likely his ask box) received negative attention. Then, another example is SethPup, a popular furry who also had a secret Twitter, where he drew his fursona having sex with real puppies. He also had a callout post. While an anti-shipper would likely see merit in outing the actions of these artists (and may see the negative attention as deserved), a pro-shipper would see them as defendable and sympathetic, with the act of making callout posts deplorable.
While anti-shippers may see themselves as being helpful by making others aware of those who are problematic, a pro-shipper may argue that harassing those with problematic ships doesn't actually make less problematic ships or shippers. By this argument, while some people may become more aware of an artist's actions (by way of callout posts), in the end the result is simply someone being harassed with no further positive benefit. They may also argue that the fear of harassment can scare artists into not enjoying the themes they actually like, such as "darker themes" or "edgy" themes, which could possibly be related to cringe culture.
Though there are a number of popular anti-anti blogs who speak out against harassment for any reason, there are also anti-anti blogs that are, ironically, run only as receipt blogs and callout post blogs for anti-shippers. While some posts appear arguably dramatized (such as making fun of anti-shippers for disapproving of incest, and little else), there are a few legitimate posts discussing specific anti-shipper actions. For example, one anti-shipper named bendyhatespaedos made it their goal to dox pedophiles on Tumblr. At a time, this included doxxing minors as young as 12 for shipping children together, which bendyhatespaedos admitted to doing. Bendy's argument was that "pedophilia is pedophilia no matter how you stylize it," though they stated they no longer doxxed children. Anti-antis responded by harassing and making fun of bendyhatespaedos, told them to delete their blog, and said that they should utilize the authorities rather than take matters into their own hands. Based on some of the back-and-forth from the "Anti Asshole Anti Archive" on Tumblr (since deleted), some anti-antis and anti-shippers play cat-and-mouse where it can be difficult to determine who is more "in the right" than the other, as the two groups argue back and forth about who has the "moral high ground." For example, bendyhatespaedos was considered an "asshole anti" for doxxing a 12 year old. However, further up in the Asshole Anti Archive, the OP acknowledges that an anti-anti had begun posting explicit gore, maggots, and disturbing images on anti-shipper posts, showing that there were clearly people of both movements considered in poor taste and guilty of harassment.
Below are more comments and opinions by those who identify as an anti-anti/pro-shipper.
freedom-of-fanfic is an anti-harassment, anti-censorship blog focused on fandom spaces. It is focused on criticizing and deconstructing the current trend of using moral valuation as an excuse for intimidating fandom contributors into censoring themselves or leaving fandom.
The major points that come up over and over:
95% of the posts on this blog are long-winded text walls.
- everything is permissible in fiction, whether it’s in ‘good taste’ or not
- it is the responsibility of creators to tag and flag their content appropriately. it is the responsibility of consumers to blacklist and avoid content/content creators that will bother them or are not age-appropriate for them. (Caveat: current social media makes this difficult.)
- nuance is important. there’s a balance between activism, awareness, and indulgence.
- word definitions matter.
- anti spaces (anti-shipper, anti-kink, anti-dark content) tend towards authoritarian thought patterns. they encourage black and white thinking, groupthink, isolation from all other points of view, and harassment of outsiders.
- anti spaces tend toward exclusionist thought patterns. They encourage policing of others, identity/experience erasure, and gatekeeping content/resources.
- harassment, death threats/suicide baiting, doxxing, assault, and slander/libel, whether directed at fanwork creators or people dedicated to tearing down fanwork creators, are never okay.
- everyone is a fully formed human being with good sides and bad sides, and there is always value in considering another’s point of view, even if you reject their conclusions as harmful and false. (this blog spends a lot of time analyzing the conscious motivations and internal logic of antis.)
it’s not endorsement, it’s not promotion, it’s not normalization, it’s not reflective of real life desires, and it never justifies harassment. harassing real people isn’t media criticismThe Bio from Shipping-Isn't-Morality
Other than simply being pro ship, I am anti-radfem, sex positive, pro-sex worker, and pro-kink (being a dom myself). I am very much against anyone who thinks they should control and police anyone's sexuality, especially women's.
I primarily ship to cope, but I obviously support any and all shippers.I am left-Libertarian politically, aka solidly on the green square of the political compass. I'm against REGs, bigots, and authoritarians in general, which, coupled with my major, is why I got into discourse in the first place.The Carrd of Antis-Delete-Your-Blogs-Pls
It’s so sad to see how many people are scared in fandom spaces.
Scared to be open about what they like. I have spoken to so many people that enjoy darker topics and themes in art and fanfiction but they could never support/produce anything like that publicly because they are scared of the fandom’s reaction. And I also think that there are people out there that think that they are wrong for liking darker content.
Please just know that we’re here. There’s actually a lot of people enjoying darker content that is deemed as problematique.You are not alone, you’re not wrong for liking what you like, and I’ll keep saying this over and over again until people don’t have to feel afraid anymore.
idk who needs to hear this right now but fictional characters are playthings and you can do whatever you want with them
Example Anti-anti and Pro-shipper blogs
- pro-fiction-konata, formerly fujoshi-and-fudanshi-support
- "Anonymous asked: what does anti anti mean?". May 25, 2019. Retrieved May 31, 2019.
- fiction-is-not-reality (June 27, 2018). "175312545655". Retrieved May 8, 2019.
- What is Groupthink, Very Well Mind. Oct 2, 2020. (Accessed 10/4/2020)
- why are antis so misogynistic and ageist? Tumblr, Nov 30, 2018 (Accessed 10/6/2020)
- theassholeantiarchive, Tumblr. (Accessed 10/6/2020)
- About page for freedom-of-fanfic. Accessed on July 15, 2018.
- Antis-Delete-Your-Blogs-Pls, Carrd. (Accessed 10/4/2020)
- It's So Sad to See How Many People are Scared in... Tired-and-Salty, Tumblr. Mar 24, 2020. (Accessed 10/5/2020)
- idk who needs to hear this right now but... Jacobbyships, Tumblr. Nov 8, 2019. (Accessed 10/5/2020)
- "theassholeantiarchive".. Archive link 1, archive link 2
- Tumblr promo post, Archived version