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A couple of questions about this page as I try to flesh out the show section a little. First is about citations; do I need to put in citations for plot points and episode descriptions? I'm doing them from memory, but should I include a link to a site with complete episode descriptions, like (I've read the citations policy, but I'm not sure how it applies here.)

I'm also curious about spoilers- I'd like to add a brief description of the plot and mytharc for each season- can that include Season 4 and episodes that have currently aired in the US?

Finally, I'm also curious about formatting the show's name. Should it always be italicized? I've checked with some other show pages to see if there's a consistent policy on formatting show and episode names, and it seems to vary from show to show. due South and Numb3rs are italicized, while Stargate: Atlantis is not.

thank you- --Drlense 13:17, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

Hmm, there's a way you can do spoilers so you click and it expands. I've seen it on wikipedia, but I'm not sure what the code is to do it. --Kyuuketsukirui 13:27, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
Thanks- but I think I'm forgetting the important part about the entry being about the fandom, not the canon. I need to edit it back. --Drlense 17:32, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

organization of fanfic section

I think the pairings, incest or not, should be listed in the regular overview, and then lead to subpages if it gets too long. Maybe a FPF and a RPF subpage like I've seen in other fandoms? OTOH some overview should be probably comprehensive covering all because some major communities and fests are mixed FPF/RPF.

I don't think the fandom is actually divided more deeply than other fandoms that have pairings that are at odds with each other (e.g. Ray Wars), or where some fans see a relationship as gen (like the XF MSR/NoRomo wars) or squick part of the fandom (like all the teacher/student chanslash kerfuffles). As it is now you don't even have to declare a definite 'allegiance' in SPN fandom to be allowed into communities but readers and writers freely are in both gen and wincest camps at the same time and many communities allow both. That doesn't happen as much in a seriously divided fandom while it is as each others throats over pairings. So even with the incest issue, actually the divisions in SPN seem fairly mild to me.--Ratcreature 08:15, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

I think maybe put pairings both places? It's hard, because there really aren't canon pairings in the same way as there are in other shows, so it makes sense to have them as fandom creations themselves? I really just wanted a place to start talking about fic, art, vids, etc. but yes, there's also that weird wincest/J2 thing, so I dunno! Re: the division, I don't think the division is particularly hostile, unlike the other divisions you mentioned, but it IS almost like there are two very different fandoms--maybe three--working in SPN. --Speranza 14:44, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
I don't really know about the fandom. I mostly read gen and het, almost no Wincest and have absolutely no interest in RPF, and to me it always seems a very meshed fandom. Mostly because I'm on these communities like the Bigbang or the newletter or the ficfinders and half of it is RPF that (from my perspective unfortunately) isn't in a separate fandom, and of the FPF half is Sam/Dean, so to me it seems like there are lots of people who want all sections in one convenient place, whereas I'm more like "why couldn't this be splintered more?", so perhaps my perspective is skewed.--Ratcreature 15:03, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

The fanon section implies that "bitchface" is a fannish name, but it is in fact perfectly ordinary slang for that particular facial expression. Perhaps Sam makes the face more often in fanfic than in canon, so it's become a bit like Fraser's eyebrow rubbing in Due South, but there is nothing remarkable about fans using the same word for that expression. I don't remember when I first heard the word, but I know I saw a very funny interview with Tina Fey when she was promoting Mean Girls (2004) where she demonstrated bitchface and said it was a widely used expression (but maybe only among teens). I do know I understood the word before she explained it, and I'm not usually quick to pick up slang. Nora Charles 01:08, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

(Should the fanfiction section redirect to gen, Wincest and J2 pages, because the fandoms are so different? Or should all the tropes/genres be listed here?).

All should be listed since they all are parts of the SPN fandom and this is the main overview where people can start learning about the fandom.--Morgandawn 21:07, 23 March 2010 (UTC)
I am going to somewhat disagree with the above answer. We currently have this page, a J2 page and a CWRPS page for discussion of RPF related to this fandom. If we also include discussion of RPF fanworks here, beyond the way those works relate directly to the FPF side of the fandom, we will have the same (or potentially contradictory) information spread over three places, and I am struggling just to create coherency in the CWRPS and J2 pages due to massive overlap. If we want detailed information about fanworks, rather than just lists, we're more likely to get it if it only has to be done once. Also, to clear up some misinformation from the old discussion at the start of this section--RPF pages are not subpages of the related FPF fandom. --facetofcathy 20:07, 23 March 2010 (UTC)(the two lines above this were moved here by me off the main page)--facetofcathy 21:28, 23 March 2010 (UTC)
I agree that the RPF stuff should mostly go on the now separate RPF fandom pages, especially when it comes to particular fanworks. However I do still think that overall RPF is more meshed into SPN fandom than it is in other fandoms, and that part (with the shared comms and such) belongs also on the SPN page, and I don't think you could neatly excise all RPF things from this article. In some fandoms you never see the RPF if you are not into it, whereas SPN is one of those fandoms with RPF all over the place, so it makes sense to have some references remain here. However the bulk should go elsewhere.--RatCreature 21:18, 23 March 2010 (UTC)
Exactly. Where the RPF and FPF connect, discuss it here, but long discussions about RPF specific tropes or fanworks that have no direct relationship to the FPF part of fandom would fit better on the more appropriate page, and trust me, they need some editing too. You are absolutely correct about the interconnectedness of the fandoms, something I just added to on the J2 page. SPN J2 Bigbang is discussed there, should be mentioned here too, and has a page of it's own. That's a really good example of a case where picking one place to go into detail would be a good idea.--facetofcathy 21:28, 23 March 2010 (UTC)

Topics that need to be added to the fan fic section on the main page

A lot more that needs to be added in the SPN fan fiction section (beyond just listing the gen/slash/rps types):

  • how quickly the fan fiction community grew
  • what tropes are common
  • major fan fiction communities (both on LJ and elsewhere)
  • fan fic challenges (big bangs etc).
  • Who are the influential or controversial fan writers

Something along the lines of how other large fandoms are currently being handled here on Fanlore.

A great example is here --Morgandawn 21:05, 23 March 2010 (UTC)

Sam Winchester

I created a page for Sam Winchester only I messed up and it's now a top level page until someone moves it to where it belongs. :( --Doro 12:58, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

Supernatural main page

This page needs some serious work. There is some random stuff but really no general impression of what the fandom looks like. The vid section has three vids without any comment why they are there (are they particulary important? the first of something? have a specific style? mark the beginning of a trend? are a typical example of...? are a comment on an important issue in canon/fanon? what?) while another vid is mentioned under "Controversy" without any comment in the vid section. --Doro 12:58, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

The three are by well known vidders. I assume Still Alive is listed because it is a meta vid as explained above, the Fifth Circle merges non-SPN footage to visualize hell and effects an such, so I guess it is an example for Constructed Reality maybe? It is really popular (eg. videly recced, also many more comments on the LJ than the other vids.)--RatCreature 13:16, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

Castiel & Misha Collins pages?

My friends posts has been overflowing with lurve for the character and the actor. Perhaps someone who knows the fandom should add pages for them? --msilverstar 05:32, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

stats updates

Maybe when we do stats updates from time to time we could keep the old ones with date in the text (rather than just the editing history), then eventually we'd be able to see growth over tiem.--RatCreature 00:18, 24 July 2010 (UTC)