Talk:Zine

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I like the link to Wikipedia, but neither of their articles on science fiction zines includes media zines at all, so we're going to have to do a lot more here.--Sherrold 21:52, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

I'd like to see this info OR link here but don't know how to do it or quite where it fits. Can someone hook it in?

http://starskyhutcharchive.com/starskyhutchgen/FandomBeforeComputers.htm (fandom before computers, something that's more about zines than not) --- Mrs. Potato Head 01:33, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

Done. :) --Arduinna 14:57, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

Is it possible to make a link here, or something else, so that when one types in "fanzines" or "zines," there's a way to get to actual fanzines. There's no real good way to get to this page: http://fanlore.org/wiki/Category:Zines

Right now, I do some goofball workaround by typing in Starsky and Hutch fanzines and going to the link at the bottom of the page. Mrs. Potato Head 20:15, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

I put the Category:Zines on the bottom of the page. I can't believe it didn't have that yet, I mean, it's not a single zine page, but I think the explanation page should have the link at the bottom. Though there could be a link maybe in the text somewhere too, to easier find where to browse the zines.--Ratcreature 20:33, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

The link at the bottom is good, but how about a link right at the top, like "This is an article about fanzines. If you are looking for the fanzines themselves (or individual fanzines)..."? I think that when someone types in "zines", they are either looking to read about them or to find some. Mrs. Potato Head 20:59, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

I've added "For articles on individual fanzines, see Zines." at the top with a link to the Category:Zines page -- if someone else can think of a better way to do that, they're welcome to tweak that, but I agree that it's not obvious at first glance that there are articles here for individual zines or how to find them.--Penknife 18:38, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

Link

I don't know where to put this, fits maybe better under Science Fiction Fandom: Lilburn fanzine publisher helped sci-fi flourish. --Doro 17:21, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

off-shoot/sub page?

Both because this page is getting too long, and because it will make this article more readable, I suggest breaking "Zine Production" off onto its own page. Yes? No? Thoughts? --Mrs. Potato Head 17:06, 29 October 2010 (UTC)

Sounds good to me. That could be a huge topic all on its own. Franzeska 17:17, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
is that just the "early zine production" section, or a more general Zine Production? If the latter, we could include the "Roles in Zine Production", "Common Parts of a Fanzine" and "How Much Did/Does it Cost to Make a Zine?" sections. --æthel 18:40, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
I like the idea of the page being "Zine Production." That way all print (old and new) and ezines can be included. If I make the article and move things over, will folks make sure there are good links on the main zine page to let folks know about the new page? I sometimes feel people may not see other articles easily, and I don't want to "lose" this info. --Mrs. Potato Head 19:29, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
Sounds like a plan. I think we could have a short "zine production" section with the links that will indicate what kind of information is on the Zine Production page.--æthel 16:45, 30 October 2010 (UTC)
I took a stab at dividing the two pages. Others should look it over and make sure I didn't mess up too much. --Mrs. Potato Head 17:05, 30 October 2010 (UTC)

Make an off-shoot page just for Zines and the internet?

There's a lot of fascinating stuff on the way zine culture dealt with the internet here -- but it's more than 1/2 the article, and there's a LOT of zine culture that isn't here at all. Thoughts?--Sherrold 23:20, 25 November 2010 (UTC)

Makes sense to me. Franzeska 16:13, 26 November 2010 (UTC)
Go for it! Zines and the Internet?--æþel 16:46, 26 November 2010 (UTC)
I've made the page and copied several sections over. Some I deleted here; some should probably be edited so that the version in this article is less internet-y and the version in the internet article is more. This article is still kind of long. I think we can break out more topics. Franzeska 23:00, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

Where to Find Zines, and which zines we're talking about

I think the "Where to Find Zines" section could become its own page. I added a bit about zines in libraries that could probably be expanded farther (and include libraries in more countries?), and there's currently no mention of fan-run zine lending libraries--I don't know if any are still running, but if not, it could be added as historical information?

On a different note, while I was looking up libraries that have zines, I noticed that different libraries based their definition of zines on the particular type of zines they happened to collect: punk zine collections claimed that punk zines were the only zines still produced, sf zine collections pretended no one but sf fans had ever made a zine, etc. And we kind of do the same here with media fanzines. :) The first sentence briefly mentions that we're talking about media fandom, but doesn't explain how the word "zine" has been used in other communities. I wonder if it would create more flexibility to split off the historical content to a History of Media Fanzines article so that there's more space on the main Zine page for explaining/linking to the different zine-like fan publications. Then, if anyone wants to start a History of Science Fiction Fanzines article, they'll have room to do it.--æþel 23:17, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

I think that's a very good point, and a good idea. --Mrs. Potato Head 23:43, 26 May 2011 (UTC)
I'm pretty sure there are some fan-run lending libraries that are temporarily on hiatus or that closed recently, and I thought there was an extant Star Trek TOS one, so these aren't all things of the distant past. I also agree that we need more context on what 'zine' means to different people. I've seen a lot of complaints over time from people in various zine cultures about other zine makers not respecting their type or people thinking 'zine' means A when to them it means B. I've also seen oldschool SF fandom people stumbling on Fanlore and not understanding what type of "fandom" it's mostly about. Clarifying this kind of thing would really help orient someone from a different type of fandom or zine production. Franzeska 20:28, 29 May 2011 (UTC)
Media fanzine history content has been moved! The current introductory paragraph is a tremendous improvement, but I think we should include a note on the origin of the terms zine and fanzine. "Fanzine" is in the Oxford English Dictionary--does anyone have access? According to Wikipedia, the first fanzine was published in 1930, but the term "fanzine" dates to 1940. It doesn't say when the term "zine" came in. Is "zine" a back formation of fanzine?[1]--æþel 16:14, 5 June 2011 (UTC)
PS I added the above info and cites to the "History of Print Fanzines" section, which could be moved above the "Zines in Media Fandom" section?--æþel 16:35, 5 June 2011 (UTC)
I've always heard that 'zine' is indeed a backformation, but I don't have a citation. It seems to have been in use since at least the 70s (punk zines weren't ever commonly referred to as 'fanzines', were they?). Wikipedia says the earlier SF fandom term was 'fanmag'. Franzeska 15:58, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
This site cites the earliest use of terms [2] which may, or may not be helpful. --Mrs. Potato Head 16:04, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
I added a bit more to the footnotes re: dating of zine vs. fanzine. However, "zine" seems like such an obvious abbreviation to me that it could easily have been reinvented by every English-speaking subculture that made its own serial publications.--æþel 02:06, 9 June 2011 (UTC)

Art Zines

I propose a new category, one for Art Zines. I don't know how to create a category, though. Could someone who does assist? --MPH (talk) 16:57, 2 September 2017 (UTC)

You mean besides https://fanlore.org/wiki/Category:Art_Zines ? Baycitybomber (talk) 17:26, 2 September 2017 (UTC)
Whoops. You're right. Never mind! :-) --MPH (talk) 00:04, 3 September 2017 (UTC)