Talk:AO3 Tag Wrangling

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Looks good! Could even mention if you want that the interfaces are different, hence the confusion. --Samjohnsson 02:32, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

Don't we have a block-of-text for/from VolCom that we can steal? I need to hunt down Renay. --SamJohnsson 08:03, 17 March 2012 (UTC)

Do you mean the OTW committee blurbs here and here?--æþel 15:03, 17 March 2012 (UTC)
The latter more than the former, for seed information. ♥! --SamJohnsson 16:24, 17 March 2012 (UTC)

Wrangulator-verse & Committee history

Need to dig out history of the committee and how it came about. Initially it was a sub-committee of AD&T until it was branched off into a full committee of its own. I'll dig through my e-mails and see if I can find when the committee officially formed - though that probably exists somewhere. Highlander.ii 15:39, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

A complete aside, but I love the term, "Wrangulator-verse" or simply "Wrangulator," for that matter. --Mrs. Potato Head 15:53, 28 March 2012 (UTC)
I wish I could remember why we suddenly became 'steampunk-y'... that's probably in my emails too. XD Highlander.ii 04:42, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
Wasn't it the wrangler RPF that set off the steampunk trend? If that's not true, if you do find the true origins, you may want to drop in and edit the Wrangulator article, too. --Anenko 10:32, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
No, I think Samvara's image of the 'Wrangulator' came first, but I could be wrong. If it came about in the chat rooms, I missed the beginnings, but saw all the stuff that came after. I've looked in my emails and can't find where it started there either. Highlander.ii 04:17, 30 March 2012 (UTC)
Okay - did more digging and it is possible that jinjurly's fic set off the whole thing - but I was certain there was a discussion somewhere that started it, though I could be entirely mis-remembering. Highlander.ii 05:12, 30 March 2012 (UTC)
It was the discussion in Campfire and the image that came first, yes, and then the fic was written after seeing the image. Cesy 05:11, 31 March 2012 (UTC)
SUCCESS! Found this: 7/18/10 - Wrangler committee started! (and it was the 'wrangulator' before the committee formed). Highlander.ii 04:35, 30 March 2012 (UTC)

The new "Criticism and discussion of AO3's tagging system" section

Very rough start on the topic. Any reorganizing (and reformatting), additions -- more from FFA, other memes, or from namespace posts on the topic! -- other POVs, etc., most welcome. Also, should the section I added maybe become a separate page (AO3 Tagging?) as it's not just Tag Wrangling that the new section covers, or should we rename this page from "AO3 Tag Wrangling" to "AO3 Tags and Tag Wrangling," or ...? Ditto, any ideas or changes to make it clearer welcome. --Sk 21:38, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

We might even want to split the page in two, one for the committee (Organization for Transformative Works/Tag Wrangling) and one for all the discussion about tags and tag wrangling.
I also had bookmarked some FFA threads on tag wrangling. I think one of the FFA posts with some especially juicy discussion got deleted accidentally, but there's Re: OTW: Dysfunctional Nightmare Dis-Organization? - on the scalability of tag wrangling. (6 November 2011)--æþel 23:28, 21 April 2012 (UTC)
Months later... I moved the sections on the tagging system discussion(s) to their own page, AO3 Tagging Policy Debate. I'm not sure about the title. Other possibilities: AO3 Tagging Policy Debates, AO3 Tagging Policy Discussions and Criticisms, AO3 Tagging Policy Debate and Public Discussion... ?--æþel 04:03, 9 July 2012 (UTC)

2015: Needs some updating

Anyone want to take a stab at updating this page a bit? --MPH (talk) 15:47, 22 July 2015 (UTC)

Tbh, I haven't had the inclination to do so because a lot of this page is still about tagging, not tag wrangling. For example, several parts of the "The Tags" section should probably move to the AO3 page. There's a lot that could be said about wrangling itself and a lot that's changed in the past 3 years (though much of this material is even older than that), but the structure of the whole page makes it kind of hard to give a current view of the committee or its work. I'm not sure what to do about that.... -the old briar pipe (talk) 00:50, 24 July 2015 (UTC)
I know what you mean. They're not subjects I'm familiar with at all. The page is kind of a mishmash and out-dated, and the topics are so large, that it is hard to know where to even start. --MPH (talk) 02:00, 24 July 2015 (UTC)
Looking at the comments above, I can see that this kitchen sink concern is an old issue. Aethel moved a segment to its own page, which is good. I'm thinking we should probably also have a separate page for defining terms. And the non-wrangled tags section should go - wranglers have no relationship to that. Am I right in assuming the goal of this page is to talk about what wrangling is, why it exists, what wranglers do, and the history of the committee? Either way, it almost seems like we need a hub for a collection of topics related to tagging, rather than trying to jam everything onto this page. Could we maybe work around a hub, like "Tagging on AO3" or use the Archive of Our Own#Tags subsection to link to distinct pages for each clear topic? -the old briar pipe (talk) 02:12, 24 July 2015 (UTC)