Talk:Winterfox

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If this is mainly about her as Winterfox, shouldn't the page be named Winterfox with a note about the context of the name Benjanun Sriduangkaew? That is, it's her pro SF pen name.--aethel (talk) 00:47, 14 April 2017 (UTC)

Good idea. I moved it. --MPH (talk) 03:08, 14 April 2017 (UTC)

Updates/PPOV

hey, I've tried to update this to hit PPOV(putting in "alleges" for things that are not directly linkable or are subject to contention(and put links in place for things that are substantiated facts), and adding more links. I'll say up front I'm a friend of bees, but I've tried to keep things neutral and add rather than taking away peoples assertions. Feel free to add more if it seems like the mixon line gets swamped by adding mixon-critical.

One change that folk might disagree with is me moving the description of sockpuppets to "allegedly"- I tried to find someone arguing that she used socks as we'd think of socks(to have arguments against each other, or participate in the same debate at the same time from two different perspectives, or to create a false consensus) but it's not in the body of the mixon report(though some comments alledge it).

Feel free to drop me a line here if somthing seems off about my stuff/I've breached wiki policy?

(sorry if this seems like a contentious first edit: I've been in fandom for 10+ years under another name, but wanted this edit to be in afk name, so it's clearly tied to my real friendship with bee) [--unsigned comment by User:Drcable (talk) 00:12, 20 August 2018‎ (UTC)]


I added a PPOV tag to the page. I don't know much about all this, but this FFA thread indicates that not everyone considers the above edits neutral. --sparc 22:30, 2 September 2018 (UTC)

Thanks! I added what I could. I think it would help to explain exactly what it was people are saying she did to people. I understand she undermined people's careers by telling lies about them to other SF writers/publishers? Most of what I know I picked up from reading ffa.--aethel (talk) 15:29, 3 September 2018 (UTC)
From what I understand from a brief glance at A Report on Damage Done by One Individual Under Several Names and related links, she was accused of other, harsher things like rape threats. I agree that we need more information on this page about what's been said, especially because where possible I think direct quotes with discussion of what the source is (eg, an anonymous poster, a fellow SFF writer, etc) will allow people to make up their own minds, rather than slanting the article towards discredditing "A Report..." like it did before your excellent revision.
I also think that "A Report..." should probably be expanded as well as we add more to this post, and maybe discussion about this page and that page should take place in the same place until they're both fleshed out, since they seem so closely linked?
(And... does anyone know what a rage blogged is, or what a "fan essay" means in this context? I have no idea and that seems kind of key to understanding what's going on and I've been up all night so my google-fu is weak.) - Hoopla (talk) 15:42, 3 September 2018 (UTC)
I don't know what a rage blogger is, but fan essay was my formulation--Mixon won the Fan Writer Hugo so the writing was "fan writing". I changed it to "expose".--aethel (talk) 15:51, 3 September 2018 (UTC)
Okay, that makes sense. Maybe we can include a footnote explaining it? I worry that stressing the fan writing part in the main text of the article might confused or bias readers, especially because 'fan' has so many connotations with fictional work. - Hoopla (talk) 16:01, 3 September 2018 (UTC)
I think it's fixed now, though if someone created a separate page about Mixon explaining their involvement in SF fandom, that would be great. The page on A Report on Damage Done by One Individual Under Several Names explains the Hugo Award, but needs more details about the specific allegations within the report.
One way to address PPOV issues, beyond including the person's own perspective on their reputation, is to include less controversial fan activities they've participated in (if any). So a section on fic they've written or meta people liked might make a good addition. (According to that skyehawke link, she was in LOTR and Star Wars fandom?) Right now the page is dominated by the requireshate blog and outing of her professional persona, though I understand her previous history under winterfox doesn't look too good either.--aethel (talk) 18:25, 3 September 2018 (UTC)