I'm not sure this should get a glossary template -- at least not as it stands -- since the glossary is for fannish terms rather than canon terms. How is the term Tau'ri used fannishly? Is it a popular name for websites, usernames, etc.? I guess a fic from Teal'c's point of view would use the term a lot? Is there a fannish way to use it that differs from canon, a la Marauders?--æþel 00:42, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
- Hi -- I'm quite sure there are fanworks where Teal'c uses "Tau'ri" a lot, and even some where non-Jaffa characters do -- and that I read some at some point, but alas, I'm far less familiar with SG-1 fanworks than with SGA ones. (For the latter I can usually recall an example or several off the top of my head and relatively quickly find the links to them.)
- But... And here comes (sorry! one of my possibly annoying and multi-part questions) -- should I not be using the glossary template for pages like this, but is there a better/preferred infobox template to use for them instead? (Related question: I was looking at the ZPM page and wondering if it might not fit better under a glossary term than as a trope, certainly with the page as is, but I guess the answer depends on the next part of the question.)
- And/or -- and here's where it becomes an overall or philosophical/mission-type question:
- Should I not be making (or working on, or adding the glossary template to existing) similar pages?
- When I see existing pages like Lantea and Wraith and Ancients and Tok'ra (holy cow, so many Tok'ra pages) and ZPM, some of which seem stubby and some far from it, and redlinked pages like Athos and Daedalus, then to me it feels logical to not only (plan to) work on existing redlinked pages, but also to create (or redlink) what seem to me similar concept-or-glossary-type pages like Ori and Asurans and Jaffa and Asgard and Puddlejumper and Goa'uld.
- Because it seems odd to privilege the having at all of some such pages over others (and sorry, this may very well just be a personal and not very useful desire for slightly more consistency within one or two related fandoms) when I know that all of them include concepts or terms frequently mentioned in fanworks -- which may also be terms visitors to fanlore might like to get a quick definition for without having to leave the site?
- So when I can add fannish content of course I will, but so far I've been inclined to put up stubs even for pages (that happen to catch my eye or bug me) when I know that for some of them, I'm far from the best person to find particularly fannish content but can just do a basic canon definition and resources roundup, hoping that another fanlore editor with actual fannish knowledge of the term or topic will (later) expand the page to include that.
- Is this the wrong way to go about it? Should I make new redlinks for glossary or concept-like terms that fans may wonder about, but not actually make pages for redlinks I or earlier editors made until I'm sure I have particularly fannish content at hand? Or is adding some kind of "In Fannish Use" or "Examples in Fanworks" type subhead -- like Mrs.PotatoHead did for a few pages I worked on earlier -- as a default, even if I haven't got anything to put under it yet to make it clearer that I hope others will add fannish content (and, oops, remembering to always add the "NeedsMoreFandom" category when in doubt) to the page the way to go instead? Or something completely different? Advice and guidance welcome -- thanks! --Sk 03:47, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
- should I not be using the glossary template for pages like this, but is there a better/preferred infobox template to use for them instead?
- I can answer that. ^_^ In a fannish wiki that focuses on canon, this would totally be a glossary page. However, as this wiki doesn't focus on canon, this is not a glossary term. If it's a canon concept/term that has aquired a lot of fannish baggage and fanon and is used in a specific way in fandom that requires additional explanation because just watching the show wouldn't be enough, then it's a trope and gets the trope template. If the trope template doesn't fit, it's probably not something that should have a page here and it's better to link to the respective glossary page on a canon-centric wiki. --Doro 13:58, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
- Thank you very much for the clarification, Doro -- I think I see what you mean: The idea (now? or from the beginning of fl?) is/was to have the "glossary" category only be used for what I might think of as "glossary: fannish or panfandom term" and "trope" be used for not only what I would define as actual recurring story/fanwork tropes, but also use it instead of "glossary" for what I'd think of as "glossary: canon-based in-fandom term (frequently used in one or more fandoms)" -- though I've also seen a bunch of existing fanlore pages that don't seem to follow this rule? And this may be one of those "potentially confusing to newer fl users and/or editors" things that I may (eventually. also, sorry!) have Thoughts on. :) --Sk 21:17, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
- The idea from the beginning has been for the glossary to be strictly for fannish terms, not canon terms. However, this rule has not always been strictly enforced. :) I would say use the "trope & genre" category on any page that describes a recurring motif in or genre of fanwork. I think I added the trope template to ZPM because the second paragraph started with It is often used as a plot device.--æþel 03:34, 19 May 2011 (UTC)
- The idea was to not make pages for what you would describe as "glossary: canon term" at all but some of them sneak in through the trope category. Now that you mention it, we had the glossary discussion before but I forgot all about it! /o\ The consensus was to make fandom glossary pages where all the relevant glossary terms in a fandom could be listed (including the canon terms, which would keep them out of the glossary category) with the fannish terms getting their own pages if necessary. See The Professionals Fandom Glossary, The Sentinel Fandom Glossary, The Sentinel Fandom Glossary, Buffy the Vampire Slayer Fandom Glossary, Doctor Who Fandom Glossary, Avatar: The Last Airbender Fandom Glossary, Jane Austen (Fandom) Glossary. --Doro 08:27, 19 May 2011 (UTC)