Talk:Star Wars: The Force Awakens

I made a spot for a discussion about racism in SW fandom. This was quickly cobbled together and it needs lots and lots of work, plus more context from people who are actively involved in the discussion. I tracked down specific examples that people are reacting to. From here out, I am turning it over to others to flesh out.MeeDee (talk) 01:43, 7 May 2016 (UTC)

This is a great start! I put out a call on my twitter. Unfortunately I am not really in TFA fandom (yet), so I hadn't seen much about this either. I think we will need to copy some of this to the relevant character and pairing pages, but keeping it in one place for now will make it easier to see what's missing.--aethel (talk) 16:49, 8 May 2016 (UTC)

I'm not sure it's a good idea to let this be the only fanfic linked from the main TFA page, since it is trolling. I added a mention of it on the Reylo page.--aethel (talk) 04:36, 4 January 2018 (UTC)

Star Wars Sequel Trilogy Page

I suggest that Star Wars: The Force Awakens and Star Wars: The Last Jedi be merged. They're the same fandom with the same info, and having one page is better for tracking the development of the fandom. – caes (talk) 01:09, 5 March 2019 (UTC)

I think it'd be best if they were kept separate. There were a lot of separate controversies, theories and tropes arising the second film that were not in the first. It would also be in keeping with how other installments in the franchise are organised, with separate pages for each installment. Both pages could do with some more recent info and fleshing out, and maybe once that's done we could have more links between different sections to show how the fandom has developed. Mine is just one opinion though. --Auntags (talk) 17:10, 5 March 2019 (UTC)

Opening this discussion again, as we have a small number of pages that link to Star Wars Sequel Trilogy which I suppose is to be expected as that is the tag used on AO3. I was considering either creating a disambiguation page, or redirecting to the general Star Wars page which has links in the info box for all installments. Not really sure which would be most appropriate. Any input is appreciated.--Auntags (talk) 23:08, 2 January 2020 (UTC)

I think turning Star Wars Sequel Trilogy into a disambiguation would be a mistake, because IMO disambiguation pages are meant for when a term has one or more possible meanings/is confusing/not specific enough; when you click a link and it sends you to a disambig page you're supposed to pick out the page that that link was meant to send you to and fix the link you click on to go to the right place. But there would be no way to fix a Star Wars Sequel Trilogy link, because people who say "Star Wars Prequel Trilogy" in reference to either the actual movies or the fandom are talking about a real, singular thing that they have seen or are a part of and aren't actually being ambiguous at all, imo. From my outside POV it seems like the sequel trilogy has a common fanbase separate from (but related to) the other movies and a page to discuss overarching fandom trends and tropes and controversies would be a very useful overview. Reactions and controversies to the individual movies could then go on their respective pages in much more detail. Like, the Star Wars Sequel Trilogy page doesn't have to describe the minutiae of what happened with Kelly Marie Tran after the second movie; it could just mention that it happened and link to the appropriate full page or section.

Also to address your other suggestion, I think redirecting it to Star Wars would be better than a disambig but still probably bad? The Star Wars fandom is HUGE fandom and it's been around for ages and honestly the Star Wars page is kind of a mess? I mean it has really great information, but there's little to no mention of contemporary fandom on it and honestly I'm not sure if we A) could or B) should attempt to discuss all main movies and all stand alone movies in any kind of detail there (not to mention the cartoons and comics and novels, which do have their own fannish stuff going on!) nor do I particularly think it's useful to direct mentions of all stages/fractions/permutations of the fandom to the Star Wars page when a more specific subsection of the fandom is meant. We should consider making pages for the other two trilogies, too — just because we don't have them now doesn't mean we shouldn't have them.

As a compromise (and maybe to help clean up Star Wars) I guess that the main Star Wars page could be reorganized to have sections for all the trilogies and Star Wars Sequel Trilogy could redirect to Star Wars#Sequel Trilogy? But I do think that we'd quickly find it needs its own page given how much fandom activity there is. - Hoopla (talk) 18:02, 15 January 2020 (UTC)

You raised all the concerns I had when I was originally thinking of disambig or linking to Star Wars main page! I just couldn't see a solution. I like the idea of trilogy overview pages. The Star Wars main page is almost an original trilogy overview already, and with the prequels only having a Phantom Menace page on the Wiki at the moment, an overview would be useful.

With the Sequels - if there's no problem with creating an overview page, in addition to the episode pages we already have, I think that would be the best option? For all the reasons you outlined. I do think we should keep the individual pages as they each led to their own controversies (/o\) and discussions, and I feel it's important to keep that detail. --Auntags (talk) 22:17, 15 January 2020 (UTC)

Yeah I definitely think it would be good to keep the individual pages, just consolidate everything that can be consolidated into the general trilogy/overview page in whatever way seems best to people actually involved with the fandom. Fan reactions to the individual movies would definitely be good for each page, I'd think. - Hoopla (talk) 23:40, 15 January 2020 (UTC)