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Self Insertion and Reader Insert

How to combine or reference with Self Insertion? --MPH (talk) 22:13, 19 December 2014 (UTC)

I added links. They aren't the same: self insertion inserts the author, but reader-insert inserts the reader.--æþel (talk) 19:20, 20 December 2014 (UTC)

What's the source for reader-inserts starting in Hetalia? FFA says no way that's true, but also isn't very specific.[1]--aethel (talk) 17:04, 4 June 2017 (UTC)

As someone who came to fandom via Quizilla reader-insert fics in 2003 or 2004, I also don't think that's true. The problem is that they weren't called "reader-insert" fics in those days, so the term originated in fandom at some point but the concept was around long before it. I'm thinking of rewriting that section to reflect this. --enchantedsleeper (talk) 12:13, 20 January 2018 (UTC)

There was a long thread on Tumblr of people complaining that reader-inserts often assume the reader is white/skinny/etc but I can't find it now. Would be good to include under Criticism. --Assassin J (talk) 18:41, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

New Headings/Removal of Headings

Trying to see if I can get this page spiffied up a little more after nominating it, I re-arranged a decent bit. Does anyone feel the "other fandoms" part should be separated from the history section and moved elsewhere in order to expand it as it's own dedicated section? Maybe move it and make it's header "example fandoms?" If so where should it go, perhaps right before the meta section? I am also iffy about the contents and location of the "Rise to Popularity" section. The first half reads as unrelated, simply stating how fandom got popular in general before it goes back to actually discussing reader-inserts. But a quick Google revealed that the Attack on Titan fic references is a reader-insert, which isn't clear in the article. Is this section saying that this AOT fanfic is one of the fanfics to have popularized the reader-insert, or just saying it was popular in general? Would it be a better idea to remove the "Rise to Popularity" section and instead insert an example list of highly popular reader-insert stories through fandom history, since right now that's what the section functions as? At the moment I just feel the statements in that section could be better off as bullet points under an "example fandoms" or "popular reader-insert fic" section(s) of some kind, unless the rise in popularity section could find something to expand upon not stated under history. Right now it doesn't necessarily tell readers much about how, or what year, it got popular, just that it's popular in certain fandoms. Patchlamb (talk) 22:19, 21 January 2022 (UTC)

Thanks so much for moving things around - it already feels clearer. I would be fine with splitting the other fandoms into an example fandoms section. I also agree that Rise is popularity is a mix of popular fandoms (on Ao3) and example fanworks. The changes you propose sound very good. I feel like reader insert stories really accompanied the rise of bandom in the early 2000s but I have a very western media-centric pov, but I don't know enough about these stories to say for certain. --Auntags (talk) 15:54, 22 January 2022 (UTC)
Np! I'll try splitting it up then, and then maybe I can find some really early examples of it. Right now it mentions anime fandoms, so I can try looking into that and then bandom examples too. Patchlamb (talk) 21:26, 22 January 2022 (UTC)

Japanese Fandom

Those edits to include similar Japanese fandom practices are awesome! Especially including the translations which really helps readability. There aren't a whole lot of pages that focus on non-western perspectives, so it's well needed. I moved it to the intro since I felt it fit better there and can be seen sooner in the article, along with a blurb about the imagines. Really happy with how this page is filling out. Potpotkettle, you seem like you're much more well versed on Japanese language fandom than I am, if you're up to it I totally encourage you to go ahead and make the yumeshosetsu page that's red linked. Fanlore always needs more pages for things outside of western fandom and I see you've already got other great edits so I'm sure you'd do well with it. Patchlamb (talk) 20:01, 24 January 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for the kind words, I'm glad you liked it. I'm happy to see experienced editors showing such positive feedback to someone relatively new like me. Kudos for doing that. I have a bad habit of leaving red links without thinking too much, but I'll see what I can do. --Potpotkettle (talk) 03:29, 26 January 2022 (UTC)