Talk:Audiofic Archive

moved the citations into the article. still needs cleaning up, i think. Jinjurly 03:44, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

stats to add[1]--æþel (talk) 04:01, 18 February 2013 (UTC)

Other Topics To Add

Hi everyone; I've added quite a bit to the page so this isn't a huge priority, but some thoughts on other topics to explore:

• Reactions to the Archive's "Creator Permission" consent policy, and maybe if it ever caused any conflict? I don't know if this is a dead end but it seemed like something that could definitely cause some unhappy individuals, especially near the tail-end when the archive went defunct.
  • Relatedly, see if there's anyone else annoyed at the public nature of Amplificathon/AA when their fic in question is locked, like here.
• Look up more detail on what the Squidge.org thing is/was.
• Add a section on Jinjurly being notoriously reticent and bad at responding to user requests/issues, at least on Twitter. I came across a few things that somewhat implied it, but it'd take a bit more spoons than I really have to go and put together this particular section.
• This is more for other stuff but Amplificathon (challenge) and Amplificathon (community) should probably be separate pages.
• Maybe a section on how the Archive going under really sparked a conversation on backups, the podfic community's stability as a whole, and where to go and what to do next? Again, I'm kind of low on spoons but there was definitely some nascent conversation on that here and there.

--Punkpixieprince (talk) 06:36, 1 April 2019 (UTC)

To my knowledge the creator permission policy never caused any conflict and I'm not sure why it would? Can we specify that the creator permission refers to the podficcer? The ffa cite doesn't really fit; it just shows that not everyone in the universe knows about the connection between AA and amplificathon, not that people who posted to amplificathon didn't know what was happening to their files. (If the Auralphonic episode says that, I think it should be stated in line that this information came from Auralphonic in the text. I need to go back and listen to that ep.) --aethel (talk) 11:42, 1 April 2019 (UTC)

The reason I mentioned it wasn't because I had citations (or that the current ones, which are just citations over confusion, mention it), it was because I didn't, but it seemed like there might be. Right now, it's just a fact that their policies claimed to be explicit consent but were in fact implicit/"read the fine print" consent. That made me raise my eyebrows, and I was curious if there was any conversation on it to be found (of any type). If it didn't actually bother/frustrate/amuse anyone at the time (at least enough to discuss it publically) that's also fine (if mildly surprising), but I felt it could be a thread to follow. There might be people who pointedly didn't upload to Amplificathon, or people who disliked that participating in Amplificathon meant your podfic had to be on the Archive, at least for six months. (I actually know at least one of these people exists, but our conversation was verbal and I don't think there are any extant sources beyond the fact that they only put 7 of their over 70 podfic on Amplificathon after they found out it was being uploaded to the Archive.)

All of these bulletpoints are things that maybe could be sections but I don't have citations on, or things that are implied but not outright delved into. If you don't think that's a thread worth following, that's fine. --Punkpixieprince (talk) 13:51, 1 April 2019 (UTC)

I feel like I reblogged some of those conversations about backups so I'll look into that last bulletpoint. At this point I should mention that I volunteered to be an archivist for the archive about a week before the whole site died. Regarding the creator permission section, the way it's written now really implies that jinjurly was secretly uploading podfics against podficcers' wishes and ignoring requests to get their files off the archive. (I asked, and she said she never received a removal request or pushback based on misunderstanding amplificathon policy.) I think your example (you can cite personal conversations like "user so-and-so was told this in an in-person conversation") would be more appropriate for the page on amplificathon as it's amplificathon's policy rather than audiofic archive's policy that's unclear. The amplificathon challenge FAQ is a little vague, but there's a section that says "the mods will upload it in turn to a permanent home in the archive in as timely a manner as possible, and comment on your post/reply to your email with the permanent link." (I see someone was also confused by where the podfics would be hosted in 2008.) The archivists always post a comment with the link, not just during the challenge, so any confusion over the comm's policy is unlikely to last long. The amplificathon community profile on both livejournal and dreamwidth states that "all podfic posted to this community will be added to the audiofic archive."

I split out the page Amplificathon (community).--aethel (talk) 02:58, 2 April 2019 (UTC)

PS sorry I led with the problems--the bullet points are all interesting questions. I've updated the creator permission section. I can't find any tumblr posts about backing up podfic, but I may have been thinking of the amplificathon and auralphonic discussions.

I've often wondered about locked fics where the podfic is in full view, but I haven't seen any drama about it apart from what's mentioned here: Podfic_Permission#Retracting_Permission.--aethel (talk) 01:11, 4 April 2019 (UTC)

it's not a question of if there was wank about it or not: the mission statement clearly says they have the permission and full knowledge of the creators. i can safely say it's entirely likely they did not, given that a) it was only ever mentioned in the profile of the community when i was active (2011/2012) that fic would be archived and it was never explicit that you could ask for your fic to not be archived except for (from that i can tell) very early on when it was mentioned you could make a note and it wouldn't be archived in the profile. that language was gone by the time that i joined the comm. so no, they never uploaded my files with my "permission and full knowledge" and that's a fact. they had my permission, but only because it was the place to post podfic and i was not aware you could ask for that not to be the case. there was also never a clear explanation of what "all podfic posted to this community will be added to the audiofic archive" meant. there's an extant example on the page of someone who clearly didn't know that files were being uploaded to the archive itself and i also wasn't entirely aware that my files were taken (with my implicit permission) and being uploaded somewhere else until i did podbang in 2012 and had to give them my files early to be uploaded. i never used the archive myself (because despite making an amount of it i don't listen to much podfic due to being hard of hearing), so i was under the impression that it was more like an aggregate content feed rather than an actual site that was hosting files. all of this is a fact, so it's not like the facts are incorrect: there was a lot of implicit permission going around and never once was i made fully aware of what the audiofic archive did. Flyingthesky (talk) 05:51, 7 April 2019 (UTC)

Flyingthesky, do you want me to delete your podfics from the Audiofic Archive? Are these your podfics? I can still login to the front end, and I assume I can delete entry pages. I don't think I can still login to the ftp and delete the files, but only one of your files is still there--the others were lost in 2016.--aethel (talk) 18:45, 7 April 2019 (UTC)