Talk:Anti-shipper

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I feel iffy about the example ship section, especially since the examples are from only one fandom. Perhaps the list should mention fandoms where there's a lot of antishipper activity.

Another thought: This isn't the same phenomenon exactly (or is it??), but seems related to some of the TJLC wank and Sherlock 221b con wank in 2015, where fans were accusing other fans of p~dophilia. I also found an August 2015 example of fans creating a new ship_manifesto on tumblr, but disallowing "Abusive Ships" and "large age differences" About Us, Archived version LJ fans were taken aback.--aethel (talk) 03:38, 6 July 2017 (UTC)


Incorrect/misleading info/theories

I haven't touched the "Current Use" section but the first line is this:

'Beginning around 2016 in tumblr fandom, anti-shipper has been used to describe fans who attack a ship and its shippers with arguments that it is morally wrong, for example the ship is "pedophilic"'

This isn't true, Anti-Ship stuff like this existed on DeviantArt for about a decade prior as I have shown in the earlier section. Many fans theorize that anti-shipping began on tumblr or with gen z but it is factually untrue. I think these theories belong somewhere on fanlore because they are a widespread belief, but its misleading to act like they are true when there are anti-ship clubs from 2005. I think that section needs to be reworked for accuracy. There's 10+ years of anti-shipping in many fandoms that this page was just ignoring. TimeFan (talk) 17:05, 16 December 2019 (UTC)

Thank you for your wonderful new section on Deviant Art's anti-ship history. We should definitely work on your section (creating stable archive links, adding dates etc. I think the anti-ZADR Club needs its own page given its long history - would you feel up to tackling that? Particularly notable is the Club rules of no-flaming fans of the ship/pairing. Finally, given fandom's 30+ year history I suspect that the more we dig, the more we'll find that anti-ship behavior existed long before deviantart...the question of when the term "anti" or "anti-ship" came into use is still one that needs resolving (and your new data helps). Up through the 1990s, we used the word 'pairing' not ship. I don't recall if we had a term denoting those who were "anti" or "against" a specific pairing. It was usually "no slash" or "No X/Z (name of pairing) allowed". MeeDee (talk) 18:40, 16 December 2019 (UTC)
Thanks, I am planning to add more info here and in other places about DeviantArt. It seems like "anti-ship" is an older term than "anti-shipper" I'll make the anti-ZADR club page sometime soon. TimeFan (talk) 19:21, 16 December 2019 (UTC)