Talk:Anime Music Video

Hey, I allowed myself to add internal linkage and categories. Good article! --Lian 08:49, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

Placeholder link: AMVs versus vids (Can o' worms? Check! Can opener? Check! Let's rock and roll!). --Anenko 01:01, 11 April 2010 (UTC)

odd line in intro paragraph

This line bothers me: a derivative art form similar to, and arguably an example of, vidding. Does someone argue that AMV is a subset of Vidding? If so, a link to any meta on the topic would be useful. I can see how AMVs could be described as "vidding with anime sources" but do AMV creators think that way? The rest of the article implies that AMVs were created and developed independently and the two genres only started overlapping later.--æþel 14:39, 30 April 2011 (UTC)

That line has been there since day one on this page, put in by someone who has been involved in both vidding and AMVs, but after reading the linked meta from this page, the commenters there who are primarily of AMV fandom would not ever describe the relationship that way. How about: a derivative art form using similar tools and techniques as vidding but with a separate aesthetic, tradition and history.

Also, I think now would be a fantastic time to ask AMV fans to help edit this page (I know there are a few anime savvy editors here already, but more POVs would be awesome.). If we asked at the DW comm, we might get people to just suggest changes or cites even if they aren't editors that the rest of us could do if they don't want to learn to edit. I wonder if waiting for Monday might not be a good idea though?--facetofcathy 17:53, 30 April 2011 (UTC)

Hi, yes, good idea! I can post it tonight since it's Monday here.--æþel 23:49, 2 May 2011 (UTC)

- AMV fan passing through. I see that the first line of the page has already been talked about, but I still feel pretty uncomfortable that the very first thing said about AMVs is that they're like vidding. Can't it start with the actual definition of what AMVs are? --Ava

Aha, yes, that is a good point. I took a stab at fixing the first paragraph.--æþel 03:26, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

Hey guys! I changed "derivative" to "transformative" in the first line, becuse of the legal battles AMVs, Vids, etc. are facing. I also added Machinima, Trackjacking, and MADs to the line that claims Vids as a broadly similar concept, plus a note right under the first paragraph clarifying that AMVs are primarily a non-Japanese phenomenon, compared with MADs. In the first section, I also added "English-speaking" to the "first AMV" claim. In the section at the bottom about MADs specifically, I removed the bit where is says that technically they're AMVs, because to me that feels much the same as calling AMVs "a subset of Vids". If anyone disagrees with those changes, go ahead and change them back, or drop a line here and we can chat. -the old briar pipe (talk) 02:18, 28 November 2012 (UTC)

Question for more knowledgeable AMV fans: I'm used to describing a video created using (esp. Japanese) video game cutscenes as an AMV too. Should the definition be expanded? (I know this area is tricky, because Western game cutscene videos are not usually described as AMVs, even though the technique may be practically identical.) --lian 11:15, 3 May 2011 (UTC)

cf, for example, FF VIII - Television.

Slightly tangential to that, there are videos set to music of Kdramas (and likely Jdramas too) like Coffee Prince, and I've seen them referred to as MVs. Is this a sign that they are aesthetically linked to AMVs or am I reading too much into that terminology? Also we need a page for those kinds of fanworks, and I don't know if MV or Music Video is what is "should" be called or if it is something that is fully within vids or AMVs as a form.--facetofcathy 13:59, 3 May 2011 (UTC)

Hey, so I figured if anyone would know, it would be the folks on animemusicvideos.org. I hopped into their IRC channel just now and asked about this. The general feeling was that "MVs" sounds a bit too much like it means professional, official music videos, and nobody had a good name for all fan music videos as a group (but they gave me some names of people to ask). They said that the AMV community also does MMVs (manga music videos) and LAMVs (live action music videos). They don't make any distinction between Western tv and Jdramas or anything like that: If someone from that community is doing live action vids, they're "LAMVs" regardless of the source used. I think AMV editors are mostly either unaware of the "vidding community" or view the two groups as distinct because of the communities/histories/culture rather than animated vs. live action footage. (So you could have a Star Trek LAMV if the editor was from that community and used that terminology, for example, regardless of how a vidder would conceptualize music videos of anime and videos of Star Trek.) I didn't ask about aesthetics in depth. Franzeska 00:13, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

I made a glossary page for MV based on usage that I found on Youtube and other sites and to differentiate it from the same term used for official music videos. I'm thinking a page for LAMV that is linked to MV might be in order--and perhaps an article about terminology in video-based forms of fanworks to draw this all together.--facetofcathy 10:53, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

AMV statistics

It is interesting that the list of most used Anime in AMVs contains series that have finished airing a decade ago. I don't know how this list is kept up to date (at amv.org), but it strikes me as odd that there are big, long running fandoms missing, like One Piece. It could very well be that there simply aren't fans vidding those sources, of course, or that they don't publish them at amv.org. As someone who is mainly a consumer of AMV and not really involved with anything fandom related - are there other sources for AMV statistic information besides the org? Communities, forums, magazines, contest or convention organizers etc.? Anything that adds another PoV? (On the topic of conventions - aren't there vidding and AMV conventions? Or are AMVs shown exclusively as a side program on Animanga cons? I feel this could be something to put in the article, if someone knows more about it.) --Extempore 23:03, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

I was reading the animemusicvideos.org forums while looking up LAMVs. I haven't been active in AMV fandom since... 2003? Back then, the org was the place for them. I don't remember it having a specific reputation beyond being big and central. However, looking at the forums, it sounds like people think the site has gotten less popular over the years and has acquired a reputation of being elitist and obsessed with editing quality. In other words, people who are making AMVs because they are interested in doing original animation or in learning editing techniques or whatever still love the site, but people who are making AMVs where the primary purpose is to show fandom love are increasingly turned off by it. I don't know how universal that opinion is, but I saw a few different comments to that effect. Reportedly, the for-the-love-of-fandom AMV editors mostly use youtube.

I don't see any mentions of conventions that focus on AMVs, just conventions that have a lot of AMV programming or big contests. There are also some online contests on various sites. (But I don't really know myself; these are just the impressions I get reading the forums.) Franzeska 19:49, 18 May 2011 (UTC)

I looked up One Piece out of curiosity. It has a little over a thousand videos on the org, which means it would be a bit below the bottom of that list. I'm not positive, but it looks like the list is automatically generated and more or less up to date based on how people have labeled their amvs on that site. (Whether it's representative of all AMV editing everywhere, I don't know--I doubt it.) A youtube search for "one piece" and AMV turns up about 12k hits, Naruto 18k, Inuyasha 8k, Rurouni Kenshin 5k, and just plain 'amv' about 36k. The thing is, the 'most popular' listing is based on what people have uploaded over time, so it makes sense that it's biased towards older sources (or sources that started a long time ago, anyway, regardless of when they finished). Youtube is a younger site than amvs.org and takes stuff down frequently, so I'd expect it to be the reverse. Franzeska 20:09, 18 May 2011 (UTC)

Links of interest

Here are some forum threads (and links) from amvs.org that might have some useful information. Franzeska 01:02, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

• Live-action vids by AMVers
• CreaGame 2011 (a video game music video contest on CreaSpace, a Russian site where a bunch of AMV editors seem to be posting live action stuff)
• Subforums for MMV and CMV ? (MMV meaning movie music video here, not manga music video, and cmv being for cartoons other than anime) There's some interesting discussion on who should have a voice where and a fantastic graph of participation in the amvs.org forums over time.
• documentary movie about AMV
• What do you call an AMV when you use live action movies? (AMV editors on the topic of vidding: "one other term I found recently is MMV- movie music video. It seems that AMV's have a much bigger and more active community. There are a ton of random MMV/LAMV/etc on youtube and elsewhere, but not a whole lot of forums. And the forums certainly aren't as active as this one." "...and as for terms for videos that are not anime, I think it's just becasue they don't have much of a community online. Sure, there are lots of them out there, but we don't even know what to call them.")
• AMV community lingo
• Live Action Videos [Hear me out please] (a debate on allowing vids on animemusicvideos.org that ranges into AMVs vs vids territory in various ways and contrasts the site culture with AMV editors on youtube and elsewhere)

what AMV creators are called

The vid page mentioned AMV creator terminology, but someone on ffa criticized the phrasing [1], so I changed it [2] and added the info here. I don't actually know AMV terminology, so if someone thinks it's wrong, feel free to change. --æþel (talk) 14:50, 7 April 2013 (UTC)

"Editors" is widely used, so that should be fine. Thanks for adding that! --the old briar pipe (talk) 17:00, 7 April 2013 (UTC)

Animated Music Videos

AMV also is used for animated music videos in some fandoms, like Warriors, and refers to fan-animations. What should the page for that be called? TimeFan (talk) 19:58, 10 January 2020 (UTC)

I'm a tad bit confused. Is there a reason you can't use "Animated Music Video" for a page about fan animations? (Btw, that sounds like an awesome page to add - please do!) -the old briar pipe (talk) 03:42, 12 January 2020 (UTC)

I just don't know if it should be Animated Music Video or AMV (Animated Music Video). Same thing with picture music video, usually called pmvs- should it be Picture Music Video or PMV (Picture Music Video)? TimeFan (talk) 20:46, 12 January 2020 (UTC)

I think Animated Music Video and the same infobox as this page would be best. I've added a disambiguation on AMV. —caes (talk) 21:46, 12 January 2020 (UTC)

+1 to what caes said. Holler if you need help with formatting or structure, TimeFan! -the old briar pipe (talk) 10:16, 15 January 2020 (UTC)

Manga Music Videos/MMVs

Curious what other editors might think of the idea of making a seperate page for MMVs, since while the end product is designed to look quite similar to an AMV, and many AMV contests consider them a subtype of AMVs, the process for creating one is quite different than AMV-making, and the fandoms most popular among MMV creators are also different. NinthFeather (talk) 03:01, 9 April 2023 (UTC)