Talk:The Lord of the Rings Fanfiction

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Move this page to "The Lord of the Rings/FPF?" --rache 00:36, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

Seconded. --Kyuuketsukirui 01:28, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
Same thing with the RPS page? --rache 01:38, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
If that's consistent with other fandoms, I'm all for it. --Msilverstar 01:59, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
Are there other fandoms that do the RPF/FPF divide? --Betty 02:23, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
Right now I have Jossverse RPF living by itself. The organization of the Jossverse pages will be, um, challenging though, since BtVS, AtS, and FF all have separate but closely related fandoms. (And BtVS and AtS share characters). The Jossverse page needs work too. There are also the J2 and CWRPS pages.--Ari 02:36, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
Aren't Angel and Buffy usually referred to as Buffiverse? I mean, if you're writing Firefly/Buffy, it's not Jossverse, to me, it's a crossover. --Betty 02:41, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
In my understanding, "Buffyverse" (or, less frequently, "Slayerverse" or "BuffyAngelverse") means BtVS/AtS, and "Jossverse" or "Whedonverse" mean either "Buffyverse" in the above sense or "the collected works of Joss Whedon." (Inc. Dr. Horrible and Dollhouse). And there is a substantial *crossover* fandom since so many people follow Joss from show to show. Likewise with RPF -- the acting pool is so incestuous that almost by default the RPF fandom is too.--Ari 02:51, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

Actually, I changed my mind. After thinking on it, I think to be consistent with other fandoms, The Lord of the Rings needs to be the FPF page, full stop. Whether or not the RPF page should be a subpage or separate, I'm not decided on, though I'm leaning towards separate. But I don't know why there is a LotR FPF page in the first place when every other fandom just has "name of fandom". --Kyuuketsukirui 03:27, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

Because in LoTR, the FPF is actually a smaller fandom than the RPS, so when you say LotR fic, it's actually not immediately clear which you mean. And that is the usage the fandom uses, so it ought to be reflected on their page. --Betty 04:11, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
It may be the term LotRiPS fans use, but they are not the only LotR fans nor are they the majority of the LotR fans. I've never heard anyone say LotR when they meant LotRiPS, but if it's such a huge source of confusion, surely a note at the top of the LotR page pointing them to the LotRiPS page would be sufficient? --Kyuuketsukirui 04:47, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
But if there's going to be a LotR FPF and a LotRiPS page as well as a LotR page, then yes, I stand by my original agreement that the RPF and FPF pages should be subpages of LotR. In other cases I wouldn't necessarily say an RPS fandom should be a subpage of its FPF fandom. But since there's a main LotR page as well, then it makes sense to use subpages. --Kyuuketsukirui 05:01, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
The fandom names I use and see used most often are LotR for the FPF and Lotrips for the RPF. And I think it makes more sense to have the main page be mainly about FPF so that subpages on characters and such link to the page about their own fandom.
I also wouldn't say that FPF is a much smaller fandom than RPF. I think Lotrips fans give the impression of being everywhere because so many of them have migrated to other popular fandoms and because so many have been active in the development of this wiki whereas LOTR FPF fans keep to themselves more, but there are a whole lot of them and a whole lot of fics. --Sophinisba 05:11, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
I agree. I read LOTR fanfic and since I mostly avoid RPF I never even noticed it much in that fandom, because they seemed a separate celebrity thing doing their stuff elsewhere, away from the FPF fandom; unlike the Supernatural RPS for example that is very mixed into the FPF fandom with the same newsletter on LJ and shared communities. So there you can't help but notice the size of the other community, but in LOTR fandom from the FPF side there didn't seem to be much overlap.--Ratcreature 06:21, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
Agreeing with Kyketuusukirui that the FPF page should be merged with the LOTR page. The LOTR page in itself should be where fandom info goes - and that definitely includes fanfiction (among other things). I'm not sure about LOTRPS either, but I'd lean towards seperating it from LOTR as well. There are quite a few fans who came to LOTRPS via LOTR (myself included), but I don't think it's a necessity. I've seen quite a few authors in that fandom who've never penned a FPF story.Michelle 11:42, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
I disagree strongly with adding FPF to the main page. There's a huge percentage of LOTR fans who are not the least bit interested in fanfic, and they do all kinds of nifty fannish stuff: for example, most of TORn is non-fanfic oriented. I'd be fine naming the FPF page something else, whatever people prefer, but the LOTR page itself is already long and complex, I'd rather break out subpages in general, i.e. /Music and /Langages and /Costuming, rather than jamming it all in one long page. ETA: --Msilverstar 23:27, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
Hmm, yeah, that's a good point about all the other things LotR fans do besides write fic. It's just kind of weird having so many pages link to the main page when I feel like they should be linking to the one about the fic, but I guess I agree with you about this being better off as a subpage. --Sophinisba 23:30, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

rename to Fanfiction

Should the page be renamed The Lord of the Rings/Fanfiction now that the RPF subpage has moved to its own top-level fandom page?--æthel 17:43, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

I think so. Or maybe what's there can be reintegrated into the main page?--MegR 18:07, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
Reintegration (at least for now) might be better; a lot of what's on the page isn't specific to fanfiction.--æthel 23:17, 3 April 2010 (UTC)
There is still the question whether this shouldn't simply move to The Lord of the Rings (movies) to improve the structure of the pages. Star Trek isn't all on one page either and it might be easier to add something about fanfic, vids, fanart, etc. if people didn't need to find a way to somehow integrate this into book fandom. --Doro 23:26, 3 April 2010 (UTC)
I really like the idea of a separate top-level film fandom page for the problem it solves--that is, it gives a top level page that pairing pages can be subpages of and that structure would make so much more sense than the current one. What I don't like is the Idea that LOTR fandom, whether in non-fanworks mode or fanworks mode will be described as completely split by Book Fandom and Film Fandom because I don't think that's true. It's not for Harry Potter, and It's not for Narnia fandom either. So, my suggestion is:
The main LOTR page should briefly discuss both canons. It should briefly discuss all types of fandoms--works focused or fanac focused. That main page should have a subpage(s) for the historical book fandom, fanac and acafandom stuff that's on there now. That bulleted list on the main page of film fandom stuff should just be replaced with a one or two paragraph summary that links here and to Lotrips. This page should be The Lord of the Rings/Fanworks. I'd rather the pairing pages were subpages of this one, but I don't think I can win that argument, so I'll not try. --facetofcathy 00:25, 4 April 2010 (UTC)
It's not actually possible to make third-level subpages, at least if you want them to show up correctly in the list subpages thingy (to use the technical term). I think we're trying to rely on subpages less; following the Star Trek model, we'd make the movie, book, and general LOTR pages all top-level, create links between them, and go from there. And the fandom categories draft indicates that (eventually) we won't have to worry about where to put the characters and pairings--they could be top-level pages, too. I like the idea of splitting the book- and movie-related content, if only because there's too much information to fit onto one page.--æthel 15:03, 4 April 2010 (UTC)
Switching from FPF to Fanfiction or FanWorks would be good (what was I thinking?). I've been working on the main The Lord of the Rings page, and don't mind having the books and movies on the same page, a lot of fans go back and forth. I'd also rather the pairing pages were subpages of this one, or there was some other way to make automated link lists, which is what the wiki is supposed to do. Argh. --msilverstar 20:18, 24 April 2010 (UTC)
I moved it to Fanfiction. Looking at the page again, I can see that there's enough to say just about LOTR fic to make a very long page, so separate vid and art pages would probably be in order (and fan films? costumes?).--æthel 20:58, 24 April 2010 (UTC)