Why was this moved? It's an awkward name and suggests that it's about prisoners who are in fandom and about how fandom deals/accepts/ignores fans in prison. --Doro 16:13, 23 April 2011 (UTC)
- Hmm, I moved it to fit in with the 'X Trope in Fandom' tradition we've got going. How about 'Prison and Incarceration in Fanworks'? I don't think it's awkward though... --Awils1 16:18, 23 April 2011 (UTC)
- Or maybe just go back to 'Prison and Incarceration'. --Awils1 16:23, 23 April 2011 (UTC)
- What 'X Trope in Fandom' tradition? The only "...and Fandom" trope we have is Suicide and Fandom (which is problematic for pretty much the same reasons) and maybe Safe Sex and Fandom (which isn't much of a trope and more a discussion point). The main 'X and/in Fandom' pages we have are Judaism and Fandom, Race and Fandom, Cultural Imperialism in Fandom, Homophobia in Fandom, and Misogyny in Fandom. These aren't trope pages.
- If the Prison page should move anywhere, it's probably Prison AU (see High School AU, Historical AU, Elf AU) because that's what the trope is about. That there are canons set in prison could be mentioned in a 'canon' section. --Doro 17:55, 23 April 2011 (UTC)
- You're right -- they aren't trope pages; but I was thinking about them. Prison AU sounds fine to me, and makes it clear that we are talking about fanworks that feature prison and incarceration as the focal point. --Awils1 18:03, 23 April 2011 (UTC)
- I moved the page to Prison AU and fixed the redirects. If anybody wants to create a page about the reaction of fans to fans in prison and how fandom deals/accepts/ignores them, that'd be awesome. --Awils1 12:01, 25 April 2011 (UTC)
Move page (back?) to "Prison"?
At this point, the page covers the trope of "prison" used in fanworks where there is a canon prison element (or the entire canon is set in prison), prison AU fanworks, convict-characters, and I'd like to add some fanworks where characters are imprisoned for a while as part of the plot but that aren't prison AUs (SGA has quite a few of those). "Prison AU" is starting to seem too limited of a subset for the page name, but making it just "Prison" with the existing text that indicates we're seeing this page as about the trope (in canon & fanworks) would work, I think? (While keeping/making subsections like "prison AU" and "prison trope in canon" etc.) Thoughts? --Sk 04:54, 1 February 2012 (UTC)
- Sounds good to me. The Vampire and Werewolf pages currently work the same way. --Tiyire 11:12, 1 February 2012 (UTC)
- I disagree. All the canon info was added because the name of the page suggested that there should be something about prison canons to justify not naming it prison AU. I think the solution is to focus on the actual trope and remove the unnecessary canon info As Fanlore doesn't have a canon focus. --Doro 11:52, 1 February 2012 (UTC)
- I think this may be a case of how the page is now actually being used vs. how it was envisioned (more restricted) a while ago. At least for me, when I think of a trope around "prison" I think of "prisonfic" (er, sorry, "prison fanworks including fic") which for me very clearly includes: Prison AUs like Crimes Against Humanity and fanworks set during canon episodes that take place in prison (like when Sam and Dean go undercover) and fanworks in the canon setting of shows like Oz (HBO) (shows and the fanworks for them that fl users might be interested in discovering if they like the "prisonfic" trope) and fanworks in which the characters are imprisoned for a while but get out, like the SGA canon-setting non-AU fanworks. It looks like other fl editors also associate the "prison" trope with characters who have been in prison (but the setting is not a prison one) and where thus there might be fanworks about that.
- So to me, Prison AU feels like a clear subset and logical subsection (like, as Tiyire points out, Vampires and Werewolves) of the broader "prison(fic)" trope/page. I'm not sure, but I suspect separating out the page into keeping this one Prison AU and making a new Prisons in Fanworks page for non-AU fanworks (instead of renaming and broadening the mission for this page in the way it's already being used) would end up getting confusing again after not too long as people might again start using both pages as a catch-all for the broader "prison" trope that includes but is not limited to prison AUs (especially if they don't see there are two pages, or for fanworks they might think straddle AU and not-quite-AU)? --Sk 00:46, 2 February 2012 (UTC)
- +1, two pages would be confusing and imo unnecessary. I agree with Doro that the page should stay (and in the future be more) fandom-focused, i.e. add more how canon prisons are handled in fanworks, for example in the last section, "Characters with a past criminal record". --Tiyire 20:09, 2 February 2012 (UTC)