Talk:Maya (fan writer)
IMPORTANT: Maya has expressed clear wishes that her fannish identity and professional one remain separate. Please do not mention her real name or link to her pro-website or livejournal.
NOTE: this discussion was transferred form the original Maya page before the disambiguation was created. --Lian 23:46, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
Ok, before I expand this article, I want to know if we should be doing this. Maya is retiring from fannish life at the beginning of November to start off a professional writing career. She will be taking off all of her fics from the net. Now, I totally respect her wishes to move on, but she was such an important part of HP fandom that I'd hate for her to be ignored on Fanlore. Any suggestion on how to phrase this article and what to link to (or not)? User:Xenakis 17:25, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
- Wait, what??? But...why? GOD, I *hate* when authors are doing that...especially since so many professional authors are also fanwriters D: Must go and save sooo many fics...! -- On-topic: could you link to her announcement as to her intentions and wishes? Since Fanlore is professedly fan-friendly, I think that we absolutely should try and accommodate her wishes to a degree (and definitely be non-identifying!!!), but OTOH, it's not as if she can forbid people from remembering her, even in writing. How to balance both? I think *especially* as an example of someone leaving fandom and the consequences, this article could be very valuable. --Lian 21:44, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
- This is her final fandom-related post (link removed) (where she actually offers one giant PFD file of all her fics ever, which I think is really awesome of her). Her stance on the issue is thus: she put the file up as a gift for old fans. She doesn't want new people to have access to them after Nov 6th, so that readers of her forthcoming YA novels won't stumble upon them, which is understandable. I think, no matter what, traces of her fannish identity will remain on the web, I mean, her stuff has been recced on a million websites. You know what? I'm just going to leave her a comment about this article on her LJ, and she can tell us what she'd prefer. User:Xenakis 22:03, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
- That is indeed awesome! Phew :) * snatches* I mean, good on her that she's starting a pro career, and I wish her all the best, but as xie recently said, it's just so sad when so much fandom history is erased, and I wish we could find a way to preserve some *and* respect the writer's wishes. So, yeah, it'd awesome if you went and asked her :) --Lian 22:32, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
- I just left her a comment. I'll wait for her answer before editing anything else. And yeah, fandom disappearances suck. Hopefully, OTW's Open Door project will help avoid the kind of fate What Love Means had. User:Xenakis 22:39, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
- nods* yeah, I followed you there and asked weird questions, haha ^^; I really do wonder if orphaning fanworks, as the AOOO will allow, an actually stop the withdrawal of fanworks form the net. I hope she stops by. I'll see if I can find a 'look at discussion before editing!' template. --Lian 22:58, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
- She answered! (link removed). basically, anything is fair game as long as we don't link to her LJ or mention her real name (obviously) I'll delete the links made in this discussion before Nov 6th.User:Xenakis 23:14, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
- Yes, I saw! This is good news :) I hope the new name for this page, and the qualifier 'fan writer' is ok; 'Maya (Harry Potter Fan Writer)' seemed unecessarily long :/ --Lian 23:52, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
- It's great, thanks! User:Xenakis 23:55, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
- I deleted the links now, before I forget User:Xenakis 23:57, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
- It's great, thanks! User:Xenakis 23:55, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
- Yes, I saw! This is good news :) I hope the new name for this page, and the qualifier 'fan writer' is ok; 'Maya (Harry Potter Fan Writer)' seemed unecessarily long :/ --Lian 23:52, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
- I just left her a comment. I'll wait for her answer before editing anything else. And yeah, fandom disappearances suck. Hopefully, OTW's Open Door project will help avoid the kind of fate What Love Means had. User:Xenakis 22:39, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
- That is indeed awesome! Phew :) * snatches* I mean, good on her that she's starting a pro career, and I wish her all the best, but as xie recently said, it's just so sad when so much fandom history is erased, and I wish we could find a way to preserve some *and* respect the writer's wishes. So, yeah, it'd awesome if you went and asked her :) --Lian 22:32, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
- This is her final fandom-related post (link removed) (where she actually offers one giant PFD file of all her fics ever, which I think is really awesome of her). Her stance on the issue is thus: she put the file up as a gift for old fans. She doesn't want new people to have access to them after Nov 6th, so that readers of her forthcoming YA novels won't stumble upon them, which is understandable. I think, no matter what, traces of her fannish identity will remain on the web, I mean, her stuff has been recced on a million websites. You know what? I'm just going to leave her a comment about this article on her LJ, and she can tell us what she'd prefer. User:Xenakis 22:03, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
I think in any case the main "Maya" page needs to be a disambiguation one listing the HP writer as one option along with the characters with that name, like Maya from Heroes, from Space: 1999, BSG...--Ratcreature 21:57, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
- Good point, although I did put the article in the "fan" category User:Xenakis 22:06, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
- Yeah, but categories don't matter for the URL. I mean, most of the full entries would be in fandom subpages and with different last names, but I think it is still easier for searches with the disambiguation, also if you type the thing you are looking for into the wiki url, that's why the pages for "Sam" "Daniel" and so on are also disambiguation pages.--Ratcreature 23:06, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
- Got it. I don't know how to do such a page though, or how to change the name of this one. Anyone? User:xenakis 23:32, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
- No problem, will get to it! --Lian 23:41, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
- Got it. I don't know how to do such a page though, or how to change the name of this one. Anyone? User:xenakis 23:32, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
- Yeah, but categories don't matter for the URL. I mean, most of the full entries would be in fandom subpages and with different last names, but I think it is still easier for searches with the disambiguation, also if you type the thing you are looking for into the wiki url, that's why the pages for "Sam" "Daniel" and so on are also disambiguation pages.--Ratcreature 23:06, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
Is it okay to add dates (while we still can)? I'm assuming we shouldn't link to Google caches, since the pages were removed for a reason, but can we add a ballpark figure for when the fanfics were written/posted? Example: "X fanfic" (posted between July and December of 200X). And a ballpark figure for the dates of Maya's involvement with fandom would be nice if anyone knows it.--Aethel 19:22, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
- I would think dates would be okay, just so long as nothing is linked to her LJ or real name. --Kyuuketsukirui 19:34, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
- Dates are fine. What about short fic descriptions, like "QoM is an alternate book 7", or "DDG features Veela!Harry"?--Xenakis 21:11, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
- Okay, I've added what dates I could find to the fanfics. I also added a footnote. Does it sound okay?
- "Because these stories are now offline, their posting dates were retrieved from Google caches, saved copies, and estimates based on the appearance of links from reccers. In accordance with the wishes of the writer, no links to Google caches, etc. are listed here."
- Meanwhile, I'm looking at the sweet setup of the fanfic subpage for Icarus, and I'm thinking of doing something similar here (obviously, without the links). In fact, we should probably list all of her fanfics, not just the notable ones, since there may not be any other record of them in the future. I'd still like to see some commentary on which are the "notable" fanfics, but I leave that to someone else who actually knows the context. Thoughts?--Aethel 04:27, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
- yeah, a more coherent narrative would be great! Meanwhile, I added The Way We Get By in the fic list.--Xenakis 05:24, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
- added a description of her most notable work -- definitely Underwater Light. How DO we feel about short descriptions? I could do up summaries, but I'm not sure if that's acceptable re: All Coming Down.
- Dates are fine. What about short fic descriptions, like "QoM is an alternate book 7", or "DDG features Veela!Harry"?--Xenakis 21:11, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
- Summaries are ok (see Xenakis's comment above) as long as we don't link to her livejournal, website, wayback machine, etc. I was thinking of creating separate pages to describe some of the fic (esp. Underwater Light), but I was lazy. Also, I know she has a lot of enthusiastic readers, but I'm not sure how her works have actually *influenced* fandom. Contributing to the overall popularity of Harry/Draco? Since Underwater Light was completed, I got the impression that she wasn't really *in* fandom anymore; she just kept posting more stories that she had already started. But my knowledge of HP happenings was filtered through metafandom, so I could have missed it. --Aethel 00:18, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
- She was one of the big Fanon Draco pioneers -- as far as I recall, most of the fics I read where Fanon Draco wore Muggle clothes and was snarky as opposed to dreadful were somewhat filtered through Amazing Bouncing ... Rat? &c. I don't know, though, I didn't join fandom until after the Three Year Summer and I bow to the superior knowledge of older fen. :) -- Emma
- I agree with both of you, basically. Maya's fics were extremeley popular and certainly helped shape Snarky!Draco, but Maya herself didn't really participate in fandom beyond her writing. She didn't mod or create communities or challenges and in the last few years, her LJ updates were rarely fandom related (apart from the fics). I think that kind of BNF status is quite unique, actually (at least, I can't think of anyone else who fits the bill right now).--Xenakis 12:58, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
- She was one of the big Fanon Draco pioneers -- as far as I recall, most of the fics I read where Fanon Draco wore Muggle clothes and was snarky as opposed to dreadful were somewhat filtered through Amazing Bouncing ... Rat? &c. I don't know, though, I didn't join fandom until after the Three Year Summer and I bow to the superior knowledge of older fen. :) -- Emma
- Summaries are ok (see Xenakis's comment above) as long as we don't link to her livejournal, website, wayback machine, etc. I was thinking of creating separate pages to describe some of the fic (esp. Underwater Light), but I was lazy. Also, I know she has a lot of enthusiastic readers, but I'm not sure how her works have actually *influenced* fandom. Contributing to the overall popularity of Harry/Draco? Since Underwater Light was completed, I got the impression that she wasn't really *in* fandom anymore; she just kept posting more stories that she had already started. But my knowledge of HP happenings was filtered through metafandom, so I could have missed it. --Aethel 00:18, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
Clarification?
The first section says "Works published during or after Underwater Light enjoyed the most popularity." I'm really unsure what that means. Works published by Maya at the same time as she was publishing UL? Does this mean her popularity is in decline, because so is HP fandom, slightly, and I'm not sure how you could establish that this was a thing particular to her. --Betty 21:00, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
- Sorry, I thought that sentence was unclear. I actually meant the opposite. Maya's popularity has been on a steady rise since UL, if you look at her comment section. Suggestions on how to modify it, or should I just take it out?-- Emma
- I think your explanation here works fine: "Maya's popularity has risen steadily since..." is very straightforward. --Betty 22:38, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
need praise section
found one link so far.--æþel 02:08, 13 July 2012 (UTC)
- I created a section for reviews of her fic. Reviews/comments on Underwater Light are on that page.--MeeDee 21:00, 13 July 2012 (UTC)
- This is awesome! I love that you found a Draco-loves-coffee fanart example!--æþel 03:25, 14 July 2012 (UTC)
DMtAMR Epilogue date?
Does anyone know where the February 25, 2007 date for the "Draco Malfoy, the Amazing Bouncing... Rat?" epilogue came from? From what I could find, it was actually posted at latest in April 2003 at NasAlley.org, so maybe it's a typo (and should read February 25, 2003), or it could be that epilogue wasn't posted at Schnoogle until 2007 and that's where the date came from. (See Draco Malfoy, the Amazing Bouncing... Rat?#Epilogue) Anyone have further info? Thanks, --sparc 01:26, 27 July 2012 (UTC)
- I added that date, and I don't know where I got it from. I would say it is not a typo; I copied the date listed from wherever I saw it posted, which could have been Schnoogle. I would just give the tentative date based on the nasalley links and cite your sources. --æþel 02:34, 27 July 2012 (UTC)
- And I should have read your page on the story before commenting. I updated the epilogue date. My guess is the story was posted on April 5, given the time stamp on the announcement post, but then maybe no one was awake to read it until the next day.--æþel 02:44, 27 July 2012 (UTC)
Belated ETA to say that the February 2007 date is almost certainly when the epilogue was posted to Schnoogle, the review board is still up and is dated the same. I updated the Draco Malfoy, the Amazing Bouncing... Rat? page to reflect this. --sparc (talk) 22:49, 20 June 2013 (UTC)