Talk:FPF

Folded in the definition from the FPF redirect entry. --rache 23:31, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

Can I ask why this was created as Fictional "People" Fiction, instead of Fictional "Person" Fiction, with a redirect from Fictional People to Fictional Person? I think the usage favors Real Person Fiction over Real People Fiction, and the same is reflected in this retronym. --Zvi

To expand on my summary note: I rearranged the first para a bit to start with a straight-out definition. I've also added a note about not all FPF being FPS, added "Fake people fiction" to synonyms, and also put there note about person/people being interchangeable in the term. I agree with Zvi above, I thought Fictional PERSON Fiction was the more common usage? --Hope 09:39, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

I disagree. I think the more common usage is the abbreviation and using the spelled out version of either one goes unnecessarily against the PPOV policy (see Talk: Real Person Fiction). However, I don't feel that strongly about FPF because I use it only to differentiate between RPF and FPF. Real people fiction, on the other hand, is something I feel strongly about as a term. :( --Doro 13:49, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

Can we fold this in with RPF entry?

The reason I'm asking is that I just compared the two articles, and there was a couple of facts here that weren't in the RPS entry, so I added them. I'm concerned about the two pages telling an entirely different history of the RPF/RPS fandoms, and if they need to be in sync, then we're keeping the exact same information in two separate places.

What's your proposal, create a subsection for FPF under the RPF entry, and redirect to that subsection?--zvi 18:29, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

Had a thought! This probably makes the most sense as a subpage of RPF.--zvi 18:31, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

That sounds great to me. I need to let other people weigh in, but I can move the page if no one objects. --rache 18:45, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

If you're collecting votes, I like the idea of FPF as a subpage of RPF, also, since the content of FPF itself is basically covered under "fanfiction" by default, and FPF as a phrase seems mostly significant as a retronym of RPF. Etothepii 18:49, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

Folding it in would be a mistake imo, but making FPF a subpage of RPF seems best if no one is happy with it being an independent page. --anatsuno 19:43, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

Scope

The article currently states that FPF covers gen and slash; is that deliberate or an oversight? Because I've always understood it to cover all fic, including het. --Dora 18:47, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

Changed. Even if it was deliberate, it doesn't reflect its actual usage. --zvi 19:30, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

Just to say, leaving out het was just an error on my part. I <3 good het. --Msilverstar 19:57, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

Moving Planned

As per the earlier thread, we are planning on moving this to a subpage of RPF, as the two are so strongly linked. I'll give it a day, and if there are no objections, I'll move the page. If there are objections, we'll talk through them, and see if the page should be moved after. --rache 23:56, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

I only made it as a top-level glossary page because I had no clue what I was doing. So I'm fine with whatever. -- Msilverstar 01:34, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

Do you think I need to make FPS a disambig page as well, since it also stands for First Person Shooter in the gamer community? Or should I just do the one change, and wait for someone else to need the FPS mod first? --rache 04:54, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

Just move it and put at the top "this page is about X. For information about Y, see [[Y]]" --Betty 06:24, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

Agreed. --anatsuno 14:33, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

Done!--rache 01:49, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

move again? pleeeeaaase?

Since glossary pages are generally top-level pages, I think this page should be moved back to FPF. We can still reference or summarize relevant bits of the FPF page on the RPF page. Also, the page name looks like alphabet soup and has been bothering me for some time. :) --æthel 23:28, 3 April 2010 (UTC)

Personally, I don't see how making it a subpage solved the problem under initial discussion--they are still two separate pages. There are issues all over Fanlore with duplicated and sometimes contradictory information and it is difficult when adding new information to a page to find all the other places it needs to go. That having been said, this page is essentially a short, finished page that says what it needs to and leaves the bulk of the content on the RPF page, so I don't see a problem with it being on its own.--facetofcathy 23:45, 3 April 2010 (UTC)

It can stand on its own and I don't see any overwhelming need why it should be a subpage. Glossary pages are usually top level pages so moving it would probably be the right thing to do. I'm a bit confused about the disambiguation line for First-Person Shooter though. Do we need that here? o_O --Doro 00:15, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

I assume that is because FPF right now redirects here instead of being a disambiguation. I have not clue whether first person shooters that don't have movies still have fandoms, but considering how popular they are and that there at least is a fandom if there are movies for a game like with Doom, I can see a glossary page for First Person Shooter. So if you type in FPF expecting to go to the as of yet non-exisiting video game term, you may be confused? OTOH most pages currently linking FPF want this page, whereas we have almost nobody talking about video game fandoms, so for practical reasons it's more convenient to have this redirect rather than a disambiguation for the acronyms. But I like that the line indicates that we haven't completely forgotten that this wiki is supposed for video game fandom history as well.--RatCreature 06:50, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

Yes, but what does FPF have to do with First Person Shooter? How are these terms related? I don't get it. It's not an abbreviation, so why would I type in FPF and expecting a video game? Wouldn't it have to say First Person [Something else starting with F] to make sense? --Doro 10:35, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

Because of Fictional Person Slash, akin to Real Person slash, is appreviated FPS, just like First Person Shooter.--RatCreature 11:41, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

It makes sense to me both ways. When RPF got labeled as a subset of fan fiction, it created a distinction, and "FPF" is what we seem to have come up with, a retronym, as explained in the page. So in concept, it only exists because of RPF. But if glossary items are top-level, we might as well put it there. --msilverstar 00:49, 4 April 2010 (UTC)