Talk:Jorah Mormont

Removal of OFC ship mention

Mention of the pairing Jorah Mormont/Original Female Character was removed with the note: "X/Original Female Character" isn't really a pairing in a meaningful sense. There are countless original female characters."

I'm not in this fandom so I can't speak to whether or not there's a notable number of Jorah Mormont/OFC works being produced. However, I think Canon Character/Original Character is indeed a meaningful pairing and I disagree with it being removed just because every original character is a little different. Original characters are often self inserts and/or audience surrogates, and a fanlore page could definitely be written about the common tropes, themes, and events of any particular Canon Character/Original Character pairing's fanworks, and it's also just relevant to know if OC ships are common for a particular character. - Hoopla (talk) 21:22, 27 January 2019 (UTC)

I agree. I originally added the Jorah Mormont/OFC pairing, because Jorah isn't shipped with many characters, the most common are Daenerys and his former wife, both of which are canonical love interests. However, I have found him paired with quite a few OFCs in the A03 tags, which I find is not as common in Games of Thrones fandom as it is in other fandoms. Although, that is purely my experience. -- Kingstoken (talk) 22:03, 27 January 2019 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure PPOV would say that if it's your fannish experience it should be honored, so I'm in favor of adding it back. And I think it makes a lot of sense to include. And I have a blatant pro-OC bias. - Hoopla (talk) 22:42, 27 January 2019 (UTC)

The "pairings" section in character articles generally seems to be used to list all relevant ships that have or could have their own articles. In the strict sense, a ship/pairing involves two specific, usually named characters. "Original character" isn't a character, but rather a type of character. Thus, "Canon Character/Original Character" isn't a ship in a meaningful sense, since it doesn't involve two specific characters. I don't imagine anyone is going to create a "Jorah Mormont/Original Female Character" article. Not only would it not be encyclopedic, but it could potentially open the door to countless other OC pairing articles (e.g. "Draco Malfoy/Original Female Character"), and could potentially give an inroad to people wanting to create articles for their original characters to promote their fanworks.

If OC pairings are especially common for a particular character, there are other ways this could be handled in the article. Perhaps as an entry under the "common tropes" section? Night Rain (talk) 01:52, 28 January 2019 (UTC)

But someone could make Jorah Mormont/Original Female Character or Draco Malfoy/Original Female Character and they'd probably be really interesting pages about things commonly found in fanfictions with that ship and maybe why people like shiping that canon character with original characters in general. That sounds like a great type of page to have?

I mean, Canon Character/Original Character isn't a traditional ship, no, but that's how people describe a ship that's between a canon character and some specific original character and someone could absolutely make a pairing page about it: it's definitely meaningful and definitely appropriate to list with the other ships because the "pairings" or "ships" section is for discussing fannish trends in that character's relationships. "This character is often shipped with original characters" is information about a fannish trend in the character's ships and if the article has chosen to list other ships then the original character ship should go on that list as well because that's where people will look for that information.

Anyway, in conclusion, I just don't really understand your argument. What does "encyclopedic" mean to you in this instance? Why would "Draco Malfoy/Original Female Character" be a page we wouldn't want to open the door to? Fanlore has no noteability requirements and its only scope is anything related to fandom. OCs are an important part of lots of people's fandom lives. Also, if someone cares enough about their OC or their fic to make them a page, that's fine. I hope they do, because more pages about fannish things people are passionate about are always good. I mean, I've made a Fanlore article for an OC — are you saying I shouldn't have? — Hoopla (talk) 02:39, 28 January 2019 (UTC)