Talk:Callout Culture

Relationship to Fandom

I think we should take care that the info on this page is fandom-related. Callout culture/cancelling didn't singularly originate or spread in fandom spaces and there's plenty of other coverage of it on a broader scale, like on Wikipedia. A short overview of the relationship and differences between fandom and general callout practices might be relevant. --caes (talk) 17:26, 14 October 2020 (UTC)

Hm, what do you mean? Though I could understand maybe wanting to remove the political ad on YouTube, what other places of the article aren't related to fandom enough, or could be expanded/trimmed? The quotations or the different types of callout posts from the "method" section, maybe? In expanding it I tried to include callouts from fandom artists, like Zamii from the Steven Universe fandom, Vivzmind (from her own fandom- or Zootopia/Hazbin Hotel), and SethPup from the furry fandom. If its not enough or too much we can try to edit it more.

On the political ad; I thought it was interesting short tidbit to include since it was a fandom/internet culture related word being used in a very broadly-reaching advertisement, bringing the word into a more mainstream context. I can still understand why one might not want it though, since that could be a bit of a reach. It can be taken back out. Patchlamb (talk) 17:52, 14 October 2020 (UTC)

I was mainly talking about the political ad, though I didn't have time the closely read the whole page and thought I'd just start the discussion to have it documented and let others share their input.

My point about the ad is that it's broadly "internet culture related," but I don't see it as fandom-related. Like, saying something is "cancelled" didn't come from fandom spaces, it picked up on Black Twitter and then it caught on in fandom as it became a general internet term, and it's widespread now because everything beside fandom is also on the internet. Like I said, briefly covering callout culture in general discourse could be have a place on this page for comparison to fandom, but I don't think it needs its own examples. Hope this makes sense. --caes (talk) 00:46, 16 October 2020 (UTC)

Clearly some of the examples here are fandom-related. However, I'm not sure of the details of some of the cases described in the Callout_Culture#Effects_of_Callouts section: the woman reported for running a zoophile blog (para one), John Green (para two), fort_kanji (end para). How fannish are these, as opposed to simply being on Tumblr? --Greer Watson (talk) 05:05, 16 October 2020 (UTC)

I'll take out the political ad. Also, I didn't know the phrase came from black Twitter, if you have more info on that it would probably be good to put it in the history section. As for the other stuff, I'm not sure about the zoophilia or fort_kanji, though I think the John Green info should be fine since there's actually already an entire article about his relationship to Tumblr here. He was included in the Your Fave is Problematic Tumblr blog, when callout posts were beginning to become more popular on the website, so seems like he'd be a part of callout culture history. Some info on Your Fav is Problematic might do well in the history section, since there's no Tumblr history on it right now, just JournalFen and LiveJournal. Patchlamb (talk) 20:00, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

The Vivzmind part of the text is totally confusing. Could someone fix it? -- Ellakbhesse (talk) 01:20, 5 November 2022 (UTC)

500-Page Google Doc

Wasn't there a 500-page Google Doc fandom callout that circulated the internet for a few days in 2020? Sobqjmv sphinx (talk) 20:58, 4 November 2022 (UTC)

This one - https://emilyelizash.medium.com/the-527-page-callout-document-for-a-13-year-old-17b426cccf38 Sobqjmv sphinx (talk) 21:00, 4 November 2022 (UTC)

Puritanism, harassment, lack of respect for fandoms, LGBTphobia and of course web war, all documented. Shocking what we're turning into -- Ellakbhesse (talk) 01:19, 5 November 2022 (UTC)

loose part without explanation of content

this section at the beginning of the article about vivizmind and hotel has no explanation. what does this fit into the content on the page? something else? I get confused -- Ellakbhesse (talk) 01:18, 5 November 2022 (UTC)

yeah, it is a bit odd. it's meant to be an example of the effects of callout culture? Sobqjmv sphinx (talk) 02:07, 5 November 2022 (UTC)

Ella & Sphinx; Vivzmind and her works are used as an example of "being cancelled" or "cancel culture." Patchlamb (talk) 17:20, 5 November 2022 (UTC)

Looking at it, maybe it would be more conductive to make a separate sub-section on "cancel culture?" I don't think cancel culture is a different enough term for it's own page, as being canceled seems like a consequence of being called out, so they go hand-in-hand. But sticking it in it's own sub-section might make it more clear. I'll go ahead and do that. Patchlamb (talk) 18:03, 5 November 2022 (UTC)

Re-Arranging & Re-Wording

As a heads up, I re-arranged some content to go up under History instead of Methods, and am trying to re-word phrases to not sound editorialized (and part of the editorialized paragraphs are from me quite a while back >.<). Callouts are one of those contentious topics that we definitively want to be touchy with so that only referenced opinions are present. Just wanted to leave a message here since that means there are some big changes! Patchlamb (talk) 18:25, 7 November 2022 (UTC)