Talk:Bandom Terminology Debate

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Setting for the Bandom Terminology Debate

This page unintentionally outs a fan when searching on her name. Since this fan was involved in controversy over doing the same thing to people associated with this project, could someone do whatever it takes to remove the link between her real name and her fandom name? I don't know wikis so I don't know if it's possible to do that without being an admin. Thank you! --User:Kayjayuu

Assuming you're talking about the same fan I think you are (partly_bouncy?), is it still "outing" if she's already publicly out? --HectorRashbaum 18:10, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
I can remove the link-- but I'm really not seeing the part that makes the link and needs to be removed. Can you email [email protected] with the text in question that neesd to be removed? --Betty 18:23, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
Never mind, I found it. I'm removing it, since this is our standard practice, but are you sure that's her desire? I thought she was public about the link? --Betty 18:25, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

Okay, so I added an intro to the debate, but I'm uncertain about, actually the whole thing, but mostly this section:

Is there a better way to express that? --wistfuljane 03:14, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

There has to be, because I (an outsider in this particular fandom) find myself hella confused by this page (despite having followed most of the debates). Are Bandom (DD+, MCR) and 6DW the same thing? What's the distinction between the first and second bullet points? The word specifically in the second one is one reason I'm unclear there.

Also, a more general question: I have a vague idea from reading talk pages why you're capitalizing Bandom and not bandslash, but I'm not seeing that anywhere on the relevant pages (and I'm not clear enough on it to edit it in), nor can I tell if, based on my understanding of Bandom vs. bandom, the capitalized form should be used in every instance. What does it mean?

I'll make some edits to make it clearer to people who know less about this than me, but some of the clarifications, I think, need to be from insiders. (if indeed any of these comments made sense. The page addled my brain.) --ainsley 04:56, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
Bandom (DD+, MCR) and 6DW are the same thing. 6DW was used by the original writer of this article and I didn't want to change it. The reason I didn't use 6DW myself in this article to maintain consistency is because, well, I don't really use 6DW in reference to fandom at all.
The usage of capitalization to indicate fandom is not really a widespread practice. It's mostly a matter of personal preference and I don't think one can enforce standardization in that case so I think it's better to leave it alone? And if the original editor meant a specific definition in their reference, they could edit it themselves? I don't know. I tried to be clear what I meant in my references of Bandom and bandslash and I hope I succeed?
Will be back to answer your other question! --Wistfuljane 05:23, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
Okay, with the paragraph above, I wanted to express that:
1) A percentage of Bandom (DD+, MCR) uses only bandslash to refer specifically to their fandom, DD+/MCR; a percentage of Bandom (DD+, MCR) uses bandslash and Bandom interchangeably to refer specifically to their fandom; and various combination of.
2) A percentage of Bandom (DD+, MCR) uses bandslash to refer to general fandom - e.g. as in other band fandom - and Bandom to refer specifically to their fandom, DD+/MCR.
3) A percentage of Bandslash (Slash Source Community) and other fans also use bandslash to refer to general fandom and Bandom to refer specifically to Bandom (DD+, MCR).
4) A percentage of Bandom (Music) uses only bandslash to refer to general fandom; a percentage of Bandom (Music) uses bandslash and Bandom to refer to general fandom, sometimes interchangeably, but often not; and various combination of.
Am I making more sense? Or no? --Wistfuljane 05:37, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
Yes! I can almost understand that! (The remaining confusion is that I don't know what "slash source community" means, but presumably I will learn that when the page in question comes into existence.) --ainsley 06:26, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
Yay! But how do I reword the original paragraph to convey that? Or do I use the above paragraph? (The slash source community refers to fans who form a community based on fanworks that slash members of one or more bands as opposed to being fannish music/a band itself and forming a community based on that (being fannish about music/a band), does that make sense? It's a matter, I think, of identifying yourself as a bandslash fan as opposed to a x band fan?)--wistfuljane 06:38, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
Aha! Now I understand. \o/ --ainsley 16:34, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
Jane, I think we should kill all of the 6DW--and substitute Bandom (DD+, MCR) wherever it's appearing--and redirect 6DW, Six Degrees of Pete Wentz (and perhaps Six Degrees of Pete Wentz' Dick) to Bandom (Decaydance+, My Chemical Romance). And Bandom (DD+, MCR) should be a redirect to Bandom (Decaydance+, My Chemical Romance Source Text), I think. Also, Jane, not to put to fine a point on it, but I've never seen the bandom capitalization distinction in the wild. I know we're ppov, so that distinction should be written out and explained on the page, but I think it's too confusing and subtle to use on the page, especially when we've got Bandom (DD+, MCR) and Bandom (Music) to make a very clear and consistent difference. (As I've said before, if you do the capitalization thing, all of the meaning is lost the instant you start a sentence with the word bandom.) --zvi 05:58, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
re: capitalization: Yes, as I've said, it's not a common practice and I don't expect anyone to pick the distinction so I agree, I don't think it needs to be written and explained in any of the articles. --wistfuljane 06:05, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
In that case, is there any purpose in using it here? (IOW, can I/someone lowercase it?) --ainsley 06:26, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
Well, I prefer for Bandom to be capitalized, but no, I have no objection if you or anyone change them to lowercase. =) --wistfuljane 06:38, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
Heh. Similarly, I have no problem retaining the distinction if its meaning is explained and used consistently. But I am going to take you up on that. And then I'm going to stop staying awake yet again for a fandom that isn't even mine. =) --ainsley 06:45, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

As a result, there seems to be a conscious move by some fans within Bandom (DD+, MCR) to use another term, which was one of the many factors that led to the rise and relevance of bandom as a term. Those fans at the time were not aware that the term bandom was used outside their group while other fans were - and some still are - resistant to using bandom and preferred to use bandslash.

Hmm, the last part of this paragraph confuses me a bit. What exactly does the other fans who were/are resistant to bandom and prefer to use bandslash refer to? A group within Bandom (DD+, MCR) or a group outside it? My first instinct was to go with the first interpretation (especially as I am myself one of these people :-) but then I started second guessing myself so I thought it was best to ask. turlough 13:04, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

Within Bandom (DD+, MCR)! I edited that to make it clear? --Wistfuljane 15:08, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
Good to know that my first instinct was correct :-) Yes, that's much clearer I think. - turlough 15:22, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

page move

I think this page makes more sense as a top-level page called Bandom Terminology Debate than a subpage of a disambiguation page. However, I don't know what fandom categories to apply (see name of page!). Add to the general Music RPF? Create Category:Bandom? ...??--æthel 21:44, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

I agree that the page should be top level and would go with Category:Music RPF and Category:Debate. --Doro 18:24, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
I moved the page, but I'm now thinking that tossing everything that self-identifies as bandom into a Bandom supercategory (with individual bands added as subcategories as needed) would work best. RPF seems to work a little differently from the FPF media fandoms, but under the current structure, only the main fandom pages (in this case, musicians and bands) should be added to Music RPF to match how the other Fandom by Source Text generic/format subcategories work.--æthel 21:28, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
Top level yes, and there really should be band pages. They can cross link. I think this one would be helpful in the Music RPF as well, just because the topic is ridiculously confusing. I will poke at my bandom friends. --msilverstar 02:21, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

possibly useful links

2007 anonmeme: Unpopular bandom opinions ahoy!: untappedbeauty, Archived version --aethel (talk) 00:23, 24 July 2017 (UTC)

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