Talk:This Never Happened (podfic)

I really disagree with the changes to this page Agentstarbucks made. This is an entry about a *podfic* and the slight changes made, make this into an entry about a *fic*, never mind that the rest of the entry is about the podfic and the podficcer. No offence to Agentstarbucks, whom I'm sure was just trying to clarify, but this is also my main objection to removing the (podfic) disambiguation from the page title; people confuse this entry as being about the fic. While podfic and the fic it's based on are, of course, related, they're still *separate* fanworks that should have separate entries on fanlore. --paraka

Then change it back. If you are worried about confusion, then creating a page for the fic would be a solution. We don't do preemptive disambiguation. If there are two pages with the same name, they both get proper disambiguation. For that to happen, the first page to use the name needs to use the name without disambiguation. Otherwise the creator of the second page won't notice that the name is already in use on a different page. And who says that the second page is going to be about the fic? Fanfic titles are hardly unique. The second page could be a story, vid or whatever in a completely unrelated fandom. Happens often enough. --Doro 03:17, 19 September 2012 (UTC)

paraka, I changed some of it back. --Tuulia 10:37, 19 September 2012 (UTC)

I added a redlink to a page for the fic in hopes that it would help people realize that the fic should have its own page. Do you think that this would help prevent confusion? If not, maybe we could just add a note to the top to the effect of "This page is about the podfic. For the story, see This Never Happened (story)." and then people would know what to call a page about the fic if they decide to make one. --sparc 04:58, 20 September 2012 (UTC)

Slightly offtopic, but related, but I think most Fanlore editors agree that podfics should have their own page (that's why there is a podfic template). The question paraka is touching on is how best to title the podfic so it makes it clear it is its own standalone fanwork - without messing up the links down the road. We've run into this question before with fanzines, vids and other fanworks that have the same name. The way it has been handled in the past is the first page with the name is created without any disambiguation in the title until a second page with the same name is created. Then we distinguish the two. There are practical technical reasons behind this approach (which I am not well versed in) but like anything on Fanlore, this too is open for discussion. Perhaps if titling continues to be a concern someone can start a thread on the Fanlore Dreamwidth community here: http://fanlore.dreamwidth.org

And Sparcicle, I like the idea of adding a note about the to the top of the podfic page. I never know how to consistently title these different types pages - while vids vs. zines are easy to distinguish, for fanfic I've seen (Fanfic) and (Fanfiction) and (FanFiction) and now yours (Story). I prefer Story and think that having a pre-made pointer/link will encourage people to add more content. MeeDee, 20 September 2012

Hah, yeah, I wasn't sure about the specific wording for the disambiguation either, I figured we'd cross that bridge when we came to it. According to Help:Disambiguation Naming Conventions it'd be This Never Happened (Bandom podfic) and This Never Happened (Bandom story) (or "Bandom fic", but I think we've been mostly favoring "story"), but including the fandom seems a little superfluous in this case? But it's not super important, pages are easy to move x) --sparc 08:19, 20 September 2012 (UTC)

ETA: We actually have come to that bridge for the Trying to Communicate fic and podfic; I've brought this up here if anyone wants to chime in.

I've added the sample 'header' text to the page so we can have a visual example.--MeeDee 20:01, 20 September 2012 (UTC)

Your sample header looks like a normal disambiguation line? Except that the page the disambiguation line links to doesn't exist (and the red link doesn't follow naming conventions). Seems superfluous to me, especially as aethel has added a line to the infobox already. --Doro 20:16, 20 September 2012 (UTC)

Nods. My assumption is that fans could do one or the other (or both if they really want to clarify). We're using this page to illustrate possible models as part of the discussions with Paraka and other podficcers that is currently taking place on the Gardener mailing list. The concern is that without a header or something in the body of the text someone will mistake the podfic entry for the fanfic entry and start merging the two. This is why Paraka above expressed concern about *not* having the word - podfic - in the title because it can lead to podfic content being overwritten. Sparcicle's suggestions are one way to address those concerns - by creating a red link to the fanfic page we signal to the editors: "If you're looking for fanfic, this is where the page should be. If you want to add fanfic content go there, and do not add it here. In fact, please go over there. The page needs your love." Which reminds me - have we reached a consensus on what the naming conventions will be for fanfic disambiguations (see the list of all the different words we've been using above - I agree it will help if we can narrow it down). If so, you should probably make a note of it and also send a notice out to the Gardeners.--MeeDee 21:30, 20 September 2012 (UTC)

Why is the discussion taking place on the gardeners mailing list and not here? This is not something that should exclude regular editors. --Doro 05:17, 21 September 2012 (UTC)

Because paraka also contacted the gardeners via their mailing list. We all agree that the discussion would be more fruitful in a venue that allows greater input. paraka started a thread here.--MeeDee 22:11, 21 September 2012 (UTC)