Talk:Trying to Communicate
Recent discussion about podfics on Fanlore has raised the question of how a page for a podfic should be disambiguated with a page for the fic it was based on. AFAIK, I think the general consensus is that both page titles get parentheticals (to prevent fic privileging) and then the common title (Trying to Communicate) becomes a disambiguation page--which means that this page would have to be moved.
Now, the Help:Disambiguation Naming Conventions state that titles should have the format Title (Fandom fanwork-type), but right now most podfic pages are Title (podfic), e.g. Trying to Communicate (podfic). Should that page be moved to Trying to Communicate (Torchwood podfic) and this page to Trying to Communicate (Torchwood story), or is Trying to Communicate (podfic) and Trying to Communicate (story) preferable, or...? Thoughts? --sparc 08:40, 20 September 2012 (UTC)
- Trying to Communicate (Torchwood podfic) and Trying to Communicate (Torchwood story). --Doro 10:10, 20 September 2012 (UTC)
- I'd favor the simpler (Story) without the fandom unless we have reason to believe the title will cross more than one fandom. Makes it easier to find/add.--MeeDee 14:42, 20 September 2012 (UTC)
- How would it be easier to find if it has less information? I generally favor following the disambiguation naming conventions. Especially in this case the name of the page could also indicate an activity or general concept (trying to communicate) and different ways to achieve that (communicating via podfic, communicating via story, etc.). We have several pages about general concepts, so adding the fandom seems useful to me. --Doro 15:37, 20 September 2012 (UTC)
- Having worked with many editors who have different levels of wiki experince, I am noting that the more data we need to add to the title, the more chances for errors and inconsistent naming conventions. This is especially true when it comes to fandom names - there are many variations (Pros vs The Profs vs Professionals vs the Professionals and The Sentinel vs Sentinel and due South vs Due South)). Keeping the fandom name out of the title unless absolutely necessary means one less error - and the more errors in titles the harder it is find things. Fanlore's search tool is woefully inadequate. Having said that, the fandom naming variations are more of a problem in categories, so if the overwhelming consensus is that we must always add the fandom name, we'll just need to do the extra work and correct the titles as we come across them. In the big scheme of things , this is not something I'd spend a lot of time worrying over. The main focus this week seems to be working out a way to more clearly distinguish podfics from fanfics.--MeeDee 21:42, 20 September 2012 (UTC)
- *nods head* And, another main focus: encouraging new editors at Fanlore in every way we can! --Mrs. Potato Head 22:07, 20 September 2012 (UTC)
- New editors make mistakes, no matter what the naming conventions are and there is no rule that they won't accidentally break. Mistakes aren't a bad thing as we can easily correct them and they are a necessary step in learning how to edit the wiki. Instead of changing the rules to reflect each new mistake someone makes, we should encourage a more relaxed attitude when someone makes a mistake and not to panic and flail over the place. This whole discussion is taking place because a new editor made a mistake, corrected something on a page that didn't need correcting and no experienced editor would have corrected, and a whole lot of people reacted with raging somewhere else that Fanlore is suppressing them or something. I honestly wouldn't want to be that new editor and I would think twice about making another edit if that's the reaction a simple mistake will get. --Doro 05:41, 21 September 2012 (UTC)
- ..."Trying to Communicate" indeed. Pretty much what we're all trying to do. :-) --Mrs. Potato Head 08:39, 21 September 2012 (UTC)
- paraka started a thread here.--MeeDee 22:12, 21 September 2012 (UTC)
- New editors make mistakes, no matter what the naming conventions are and there is no rule that they won't accidentally break. Mistakes aren't a bad thing as we can easily correct them and they are a necessary step in learning how to edit the wiki. Instead of changing the rules to reflect each new mistake someone makes, we should encourage a more relaxed attitude when someone makes a mistake and not to panic and flail over the place. This whole discussion is taking place because a new editor made a mistake, corrected something on a page that didn't need correcting and no experienced editor would have corrected, and a whole lot of people reacted with raging somewhere else that Fanlore is suppressing them or something. I honestly wouldn't want to be that new editor and I would think twice about making another edit if that's the reaction a simple mistake will get. --Doro 05:41, 21 September 2012 (UTC)