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Jan & June's slash rec page existed before April 1998. This archived index log at the Wayback Machine lists updates from February 8, 1998. I don't know whether it was older or started then, but that Duncan list was definitely not the first rec website. --RatCreature 09:48, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

Also Torch's recs from 1997 are still on her current website: recommendations 1997 --RatCreature 09:53, 5 October 2008 (UTC)


So are there no pre-internet instances of reccing? --Betty 23:23, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

I assume the "review zines" that are mentioned on the zine page must have had a similar function?--Ratcreature 23:36, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
Yup, pretty much. Fans reviewed zines, and sometimes the reviews were printed in other fandom-centric zines, or there were specialty zines like "Psst. Wannna Buy A Fanzine." The reviews were detailed, and, particularly with Pssst, the reviews were written to entertain the readership who was spending money on this stuff rather than being geared toward any sort of feedback to an author or publisher. Michelle Christian did several zine reviews on VIRGULE-L, and was once accused of causing a zine to not sell well because of her public critical feedback in the review, but I don't remember specifics. Squee-centric reviews happened--I remember one in Pssst for, I think, "Perestroika" by Elizabeth Urich, a MFU zine, for example-- but they tended to be a couple of pages or at least paragraphs in length. The single line or two "read this story" tended not to happen in a written format, though it was always a hot topic of conversation at cons. --rache 23:40, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

So are we saying rec = review, or do you want reviews (which honestly, you can have negative reviews, but rarely neg recs -- reviews tend to be longer, etc.) != recs -- one page or two (with, of course, a see also). I'm happy to add some pre-internet stuff, but I'd rather wait until I see which way you guys decide

I think two pages would be better, because they differ, and I suspect the online rec is more evolved from an oral rec in conversations than from reviews, perhaps. Like that even early on rec sites had guestbooks and such for visitors to rec. I think merging these two among the many different things that relate to fanfic reception and pre-selection doesn't make much sense. I think it would be better to cover that history of how the community sorts through fanworks and how that changed over time and with the fanfic volume and how the different activities relate in the fanfic or fanworks overview article maybe. --Ratcreature 04:00, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
Maybe connect them with a see-also, because they are related. --Betty 06:35, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
Lunacy's Reviews are both reviews and recs because she wrote reviews, but only for stories she liked (which was why she had to clarify why she reviewed some stories but not others), and then gave them a rating between recommended, highly recommended, and highest recommendation. If we split the page, I wouldn't know where to put it because it belongs on both pages. --Doro 10:07, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
Perhaps put it in both? I'm not familiar with it at all but from what you're saying it seems that it would belong in both places. - turlough 13:36, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

Content move through C&P?

I thought pages ought to be moved through moving by gardeners? Now this talk page and the editing history isn't with the content anymore. I think that is a problem.--Ratcreature 10:51, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

Ah, um, sorry. I'm not that familiar with wikis, and I haven't figured out how to contact gardeners or who they are, so I thought moves were just done through c&p. Should I move stuff back, then? --Xparrot 15:45, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
There is a template for "attention gardeners", but so far my move requests always got noticed if I just put something on the talk page even without that box. That way pages get renamed with their editing history and talk pages intact, rather than lost on random redirect pages. I think this one should be probably left until the gardeners sort this out and clean it up, if they decide the stuff should be together. --Ratcreature 16:13, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
All set! --Arduinna 18:19, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
Thank you! Sorry for the trouble - live & learn, I know better now, anyway! --Xparrot 18:49, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
Oh, no problem at all. :) --Arduinna 19:31, 22 February 2009 (UTC)