Talk:Post-Gauda Prime
Adding links from the main Blake's 7 page, but this really needs some links to archives, and I have no clue. Anyone else? --Msilverstar 05:12, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
Earliest PGP?
Does anyone know what the earliest PGP story was? Someone on the internet cites "A New Beginning" by Harry Waller in the February 1983 edition of Blake's 7 Monthly. However, he was a competition winner, so presumably got paid for the story. I'm not sure if that counts? The earliest PGP I personally possess is dated May 1983 and is in Frontiers World 17. It is a very short piece called "The Hub" by Lillian Shepherd. [Guiser]
- Interesting question! If Blake's 7 Monthly is the Marvel publication then I'd agree it wouldn't count as fanfiction. I'd be surprised if there wasn't one earlier than May 1983 as I'm sure people started writing them as soon as they'd picked themselves off the floor after the "Blake" credits, but it's easy to forget that lead times for zines back then were very long. One thing I think would be interesting would be to order the examples on this page by date, as I think most of them will be fairly recent (90s, 00s).
- (By the way, do you realise you can sign/date your posts on talk pages by typing four tildes ~~~~ ?) Espresso Addict (talk) 15:29, 26 July 2013 (UTC)
- Argh! I keep forgetting to do the wavy lines. I'm afraid I'm a bit dozy. Ill health is part of the reason, but then I was always a bit dozy! It is just as well there is a preview button, or I'd be like a bull in a china shop! I like the idea of ordering the fics by date and will try to get around to that soonish. I was thinking of listing the novellas and short stories separately, though, since the list is getting so long. Not sure. I know I'm listing a lot of fics, but I think it is justified, given the prominence of the genre. I'm trying to avoid just listing my favourites, but trying to go for more representative but well-written stuff, stuff I've seen other people list as favourites and anything I think is really well written. I'm looking through zines to try to find a couple of cosier but still well-written PGPs, since only the more angsty stuff seems to stick in my head! I hope I am not to going too OTT, but I'm finding the exercise quite interesting! Guiser (talk) 20:39, 26 July 2013 (UTC)
- Are there thematic or plot variants? When I did the page on Last Knight stories (the equivalent in Forever Knight fandom), I divided the fic up by the various ways the authors did or didn't circumvent the ending. Would that maybe be a useful approach here? --Greer Watson (talk) 21:00, 26 July 2013 (UTC)
- As far as I'm concerned 90% of fics subvert the ending, but not all fans may concur on that! It could be and is interpreted as ambigious. I think I will stick with my plan to order the fics by date, at least initially. It may show up interesting trends, so that something might be added in that respect to the main article. That said I had a look at your "Last Knight" page and though I'm not familiar with the programme, it was actually quite helpful in making me clarify my thinking on categorization. I'm not sure that PGP stuff lends itself to a similar approach to Last Knight fics. For as start there are a mind boggling array of variants.
- Are there thematic or plot variants? When I did the page on Last Knight stories (the equivalent in Forever Knight fandom), I divided the fic up by the various ways the authors did or didn't circumvent the ending. Would that maybe be a useful approach here? --Greer Watson (talk) 21:00, 26 July 2013 (UTC)
- Argh! I keep forgetting to do the wavy lines. I'm afraid I'm a bit dozy. Ill health is part of the reason, but then I was always a bit dozy! It is just as well there is a preview button, or I'd be like a bull in a china shop! I like the idea of ordering the fics by date and will try to get around to that soonish. I was thinking of listing the novellas and short stories separately, though, since the list is getting so long. Not sure. I know I'm listing a lot of fics, but I think it is justified, given the prominence of the genre. I'm trying to avoid just listing my favourites, but trying to go for more representative but well-written stuff, stuff I've seen other people list as favourites and anything I think is really well written. I'm looking through zines to try to find a couple of cosier but still well-written PGPs, since only the more angsty stuff seems to stick in my head! I hope I am not to going too OTT, but I'm finding the exercise quite interesting! Guiser (talk) 20:39, 26 July 2013 (UTC)
- I think most fans tend to mentally classify PGP fics in terms of who survives the finale and who doesn't and/ or the attitude of each of the characters to the event in emotional terms and to each other based on the events. For the enormous number of variants just based on the first classification, see the PGP survey link under “Meta”. The combination of these two can result in more or less “cosy” or “angsty” fics, which is another common mental classification. Then there is h/c, which would be more a feature of “cosy” fics, though not entirely. Relationship fics are as likely to be angsty as "cosy", or at least B/A is. However this is all relative, since “cosy” is rarely that cosy in B7 and a lot of the better fics are the least easily classifiable in these terms! Not only that but there are a fair number of very twisty fics and in some cases classification would be a serious spoiler. I’ve tried to label stuff in a broad way that is informative, but not too spoilery.
- Personally, I find a lot of the fun of PGPs is wondering what variant I am getting, but then I am a collector of fanzines as much as an internet based fan. I think there is a bit of a tension between fanlore as a repository of fan history and a resource for new fans in that respect. After saying all that, someone will probably come along and try to classify them when I am done, whether I like it or not! Guiser (talk) 21:41, 28 July 2013 (UTC)
Another early PGP
Orbit 1, October 1982 has a Judith Seaman story, "Martyr" and a Tim Pieraccini script or play style piece, "Prisons". If anyone can think of anything earlier please let me know! Guiser (talk) 13:19, 29 July 2013 (UTC)
Examples wanted...
I don't actually know where to start adding anything else - although I think Guiser (so many pseuds!) has done a pretty good job getting the big well-known ones. Maybe we need some more stuff from pairings that aren't B/A? But I'm obviously going to be useless there. --Aralias (talk) 10:27, 7 March 2015 (UTC)