FanFiction.Net's NC-17 Purges: 2002 and 2012

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There were two major removals of NC-17 fiction from FanFiction.Net. Both purges shook fandom, and much discussion ensued regarding rights and responsibilities of archives, rights of fans to be able to write and post what they liked, and more.

Both purges also created fiction influxes into other archives. Three examples: FictionAlley (2002), FanDomination.Net (2002), and Archive of Our Own (2012).

One fan's comment in 2002: "Unleashing your imagination and deleting your NC-17 fics," [1] a riff on FanFiction.Net's official tag: "Unleash your imagination and free your soul."

Similar Occurrences

For other incidents in which platforms used by fan communities have cracked down on fanworks, discussion by fans, and fansites with "inappropriate" content, see:

For a more general related topic, see List of Content Banned by Archives.


Prior to September 2002, the site used a pop-up to prompt readers to say whether they were over 17 or not. On September 12, 2002, FanFiction.Net banned and removed material that was rated NC-17.

FF.Net removed the guestbook on July 6, 2002, perhaps in anticipation of the NC-17 ban.

One of the reactions to this 2002 ban was the creation of AdultFanFiction.Net by other fans. Other fans migrated to FanDomination.Net. [2]

Announcement from Xing Li:

"September 12th, 2002 -- This will be longest announcement in FanFiction.Net's 4 year history as there are many things covered and changes announced.

"As noted last month, original fiction is a fast growing part of the site. To give the original fiction writers better exposure, the site has split the categorization into two upper classes: FanFiction and Original Fiction. As a result of this specific change, severals modifications have been performed.

""Original » Song fics" category has been moved to "FanFiction » Misc » Song fics" "Original » Short Stories" category has been retitled to "Original » General Fiction" Contents of "Originals » Novel" has been moved to "Originals » General Fiction"

"The following sections of FanFiction.Net will no longer be continued. Entries in these categories will be removed on October 12th, 2002. If you have an entry in the follow areas, please login and use the new "Backup" feature to download them to your computer for personal backup.

"NC-17 based entries will no longer be accepted. Though they are very small portion of the site the adult stories have generated almost all of the complaints filed on record in the past year. Moreover, the highest concentration of them are growing in areas with subjects targeted to younger readers and with increasingly controversial subject matters. However, not all NC-17 based stories fall into the description but as result of their increasing volume a decision has been made to resolve this problem. Innocent writers will be affected but this has to be done considering the non-filtering scheme of the site.

"Many months ago FanFiction.Net introduced a form of ban for real-person based stories (RPS): actor fiction. After evaluating that ban and receiving many responses as a result of that ruling, it has been decided that we need to extend the rule to all real-person stories to keep it consistent. The affected categories are: All Music Groups Misc; Sports TV Shows; Big Brother, Survivor, Who's Line is it anyway?

"Chat room or keyboard dialogue based entries will no longer be allowed. Much of the chat room entries are void of plot, without attempt at plot and are more inline with random dialogue than with stories or poetry. Having these type of entries on the site is unfair to those that have spent quality time fleshing out substantial content.

"Upgrades/Enhancements: In addition to the FanFiction.Net Guidelines, a new section, "Writer's Etiquette", has been introduced to detail codes of conduct that all writers should adhere to. Writer's Etiquette and the modified Guidelines are accessible on the "Upload story" page and through this url.

"Review Alert is now active for all members. This used to be a Support Service only feature but because of past and current Support Service members we are now able to reliably provide this service to every registered member. For those of you new to Review Alert, it is setup so that you will be notified by email whenever a new review is submitted to any of your stories. Review Alert greatly reduces the amount of time you waste on the site by periodically checking to see whether a new review has been submitted. New "Backup" feature has been introduced which will greatly ease the pain of backing up stories archived on the site. This feature was part of Support Service Enhanced Statistics but we feel it is important that everyone have this feature. Story reading pages (read.php) has been revamped for a much cleaner interface while displaying more information of the story. The list of authors that have you on their "Favorite Authors list" will now be displayed as part of the standard Statistics page. This is a result of convincing argument from several members of the site. A ratings guide has been created in the Guidelines to help the correct categorization of stories in the G, PG, PG-13, and R range.

"Misc: The Crossover categories have been moved into the "FanFiction; Misc" category. Please note that all the stories effected by the ruling above have not been removed. They will be retained until October 12th, 2002. If the changes apply to you, please login and use the backup feature to create a personal copy on your local computer.

"FanFiction.Net will like to issue a formal apology to the many members of the site that will be effected by today's announcement. The site evolves over time and as such we are forced to make decisions that usually have negative impacts on some of the members but in response to needs.[3] [4]

2002 Fan Petitions

There were many fan petitions in 2002 about the new's policy.

The biggest one began on September 13, 2002. JoSelle Vanderhooft began a petition in protest of the purges. It was called Reverse the NC-17 Ruling on!.

One sentence from it, "STOP the destruction of!" became the name of another petition by Charlotte Weatherly ten years later. See STOP the destruction of!.


Reverse the NC-17 Ruling on! has long been one of the Internet's leading fanfiction sites. In order for this site to remain so, we the undersigned strongly disagree with's recent decision to ban NC-17 fiction from this site and remove the ones currently posted. Although necessary precautions must be taken to protect children on the internet, MOST of the NC-17 stories that would fall under this ruling are in only the most excellent of taste and are clearly markied, which is the most any author or site manager can do. We also strongly feel that this decision flies in the face of everything that the on line fan fiction community is about; freedom to write, explore, and share ideas. Please do not trample on the rights of the innocent in order to protect the rights of the few.

STOP the destruction of!

Sincerely, The Undersigned [5]

On September 13, 2002, it had 8000 signatures. [6]

When the petition ended, it had 23453 signatures. [7]

Other petitions:

Fan Comments Regarding the 2002 Purge

Views change over time. :) I was originally very anti-RPF [8]. I was also on staff at FF.Net arguing that it should be removed from the site back in 2000 or so. dragonscholar's argument with Xing was that the people were estentially characters. [9] [10]

If they go through with it, screw them, we'll start another fanfic site, and they can go to Hell. [11]

[posted by Laura Hale]:

Just FYI... Maybe this will get the message across.

To play the cynic again for a minute, as much as I'd like them to return, if he reinstates the NC-17 stories, doesn't he set a bad precedent showing that he can be bullied? and wouldn't he just be inviting more of the same type of behavior from people in the future?

I don't really like how this was handled but in the long run, I think this is probably one of the best things for fandom. (Or to steal a friend's idea.) Think of FanFiction.Net as Napster. It's the biggest and most popular fan fiction site around. It's got great function, many users, and a giant target sign on it's back. Like Napster, there is a very real threat that FanFiction.Net might face consequences that might lead to the whole of the closing of its doors forever, or in a very limited fashion like Napster is now. (Does any one still USE Napster on list?) This cleans up some of the niggling issues that could have lead to FF.Net's future closure. It removes some stories that might legally get them into hot water and upset a lot of people. Just think would might happen if the "Harry Potter is Satanic" people stumbled across FanFiction.Net. Considering how much media attention they have managed to bring to bare for their cause, do you think FanFiction.Net could stand up to that type of extended negative press? I would hesitate to think so. In person, I think there would be a move for many of us to go under ground or publically disassociate ourselves with the site.

This, this spreading out of fandom, is probably a very good thing for fandom in the long run. We still get to keep the core site and continue posting their if we so desire. Unlike when Napster first closed and there were no good alternatives for about a year, FanFiction.Net is giving people like you (,,, and me ( a chance to build and reshape fandom in a new way while still maintaining some of the existing infrastructure. It's a wound of sorts that will take time to heal but it will make that process quicker. It wasn't a death like Napster was a death. We've got things being built or already built to patch that wound. Fandom will be better, stronger, more decentralized because of this. It probably wasn't what he, Xing, was thinking when he did this but it's a nice little unexpected bonus in an otherwise sucky moment.

Another thing which people seem to be seem to be missing is that I think for once, FanFiction.Net has implemented QUALITY CONTROLS. Ever not want to be associated with the site because there is so much CRAP? so much DRIVEL? One of the biggest complaints about FanFiction.Net was the acceptance of poor spelling and atricious [12] grammar on the site led to this attitude spilling over into other parts of fandom not associated with FanFiction.Net (some of this can be blamed on the age drop that seems to have occurred in fandom.)... Well, the new rules that are seemingly over looked can help fix that perception. FanFiction.Net I think has finally reached a moment where you will be able to go and say HERE! HERE is the day that FanFiction.Net grew up and matured. Here is the day when people in fandom have to realize that we will not stand this behavior any more! Use spell check people. Look over your sentence structure. Heck, considering how prolific some of us fan fiction writers are, this trend may expand to have a great affect on the Internet as a whole. Okay, I'm reaching but seriously, the ability to spell words in their entirety is something that seems to have dropped in fandom as a whole as FanFiction.Net's influence seems to have grown. (Or, I remember the good old days of b5-creative and unrestb5 which I illegally read from some one who forwarded to me...) [13] Maybe, these new demands and anal retentive people reporting those fics written at 3am will elevate the quality of fan fiction, and cause more rapid improvement of writing for new authors... That can't be a bad thing, can it?

This whole situation puts fan fiction back into the hands of actual fan fiction writers. Xing wasn't and isn't a fan fiction writers. He never was. He's a very nice, very thoughtful guy. He's very dedicate [sic] to his site and doing what is best for it and its users. (Which is why I support his decision to remove NC-17 and RPS as much as I disagree with it because I really don't have an investment in it and from what I know from having met him, I trust him to do this.) The people who have the most vested interest in this are fan fiction readers and writers which Xing really isn't... Fan fiction readers and writers are being an unusual moment that most people never have. They are being given a moment of SELF DETERMINATION! Self determination. This is not the moment to bitch, whine and call Xing names like goblin and fucker which I've seen on some mailing lists. This is a moment to say I AM NUMBER ONE! I AM A FAN FICTION WRITER! (I'm not Canadian.) Don't like FanFiction.Net? Well, hey that's cool. Take control. Empower yourself. Don't like the new rules of FanFiction.Net and think they are trying to censor you? Well, leave. No one said you had to post their. Yank your stuff off their and put it some place else. Stand up and be counted. Don't demand that the non-fan fiction, non-original writing web master start dictating his turf like you want it. You're giving up your "rights" as a fan fiction writer and putting them back into some elses hands. Don't like it this system? You're being given a wonderful chance to chose a new leader or to create your own. You can choose to post your fan fiction at several wonderful sites. If you're a Harry Potter fan, you have run by the wonderful Laura Vazquez or run by Cassandra Claire and company. You have the chance if you're a comic book fan, you haven't lived till you've surfed by a wonderful fan girl named Keille who has put a lot of time and effort into this site making it the PREMIERE site on the internet for comic book stuff. If you're a Star Trek, Buffy or X-Files fan, this is a perfect time to find out all about the usenet groups for those fandoms that are specfically for those fandoms and they HAPPILY take NC-17 rated fiction. Don't miss the Golden Os while you're hanging out on ASCEM Trek fans. Have something else not mentioned, try some of the other multi-fandom archives including mine at or another at or the soup named fan fiction archive. Mine's run by me and I'm a long time het, gen, slash fen since 1996. If you don't like any of those options, well fear not! You can make your own, knowing that you'll have the potential for a large audience of like wise disenfranchised people.

I'm not a fan of what FanFiction.Net did nor how they did it but it isn't the end of the fandom and complaining and writing petitions isn't going to make it better. Let's be proactive here. Let's do what this has given us the opportunity to do: reinvent fandom in our image. Good will come of this. I assure you that.

*snarky mode on, political preachy mode off* This has all been an attempt to lure people to *snarky off* [14] [15] don't have to pay to post on the site.. I kinda don't get the uproar, myself. They have every right to ban NC-17 fic if they want. Its private site. They *also* banned real person stories, like Survivor fanfic... and no one seems to think thats censorship. No one is pbeing stopped from running their own NC-17 websites... is just choosing to no longer do it. Having browsed the 7th heaven fanfic and found rape, rape, incest, incest and rape.... I can't say I am suprised. [16] has all the rights in the world to do this. I'm sorry people are getting banned, but it is the right of the site. And I'm not surprised its come to this as well. Has anybody else seen the Harry Potter archive? I was just browsing and I think there'll be about 2 stories left after this ban. [17]'s not a bandwidth issue... it's an issue that they say they got complaints about NC-17 fics and they don't want to have to deal with having them on the site any longer. To even GET to the adult stuff, there's at least three controls that have to be passed through, a box to pull down to even see the listing of works higher than PG-13, then a pop up warning box, then then fic itself, which most responsible authors (especially in ER fandom, put their own warnings). There is also a "report abuse" button at the bottom of every story on and a story that's offensive can be removed. So if someone posts something that's just gibberish, they can take it down... or if someone posts something that's clearly child pornography, that too can be removed. All of that is outlined in the member rules. As for paying, yes, some of us did pay... there's a free membership and a paid one, the paid one comes with much better features, such as the ability to keep track of reviews, get alerts on reviews, turn off all the ads on the site and the like. [18]

Personally, while its not my cup of tea, its certainly your right to write it and post it on available baords. You even have the freedom fo making you own website and posting it there. is not charging you for the priveledge fo posting your stories there. They have every rigth to decide what they want on their website. No one seems willing to address the fact that each and everyone fo us is free to pay for our own bandwidth and post anything *we* want. Ye, I do think would be better served by handling the nc-17 issue on a case by case basis but frankly that is unrealistic considering the sheer numbers of fics that are nc-17. Are you going to donate your time to help maintain the site by reading all these stories and deciding which are porn and which are nc-17? And why is your decision, or anyone else's, going to make the people excluded as writers of porn and not heart wrenching nc-17 any happier? And why does a private website have to post porn if they don't want to? Why is that censorship? You don't pay to post there. You are not stopped from posting your fic on your own website. This is not a free speech issue. Personally I don't think its a great move on's part but I ask - is every website that has fic supposed to accept every peice of drivel out there or be accused of censorship? [19]

Frankly, I want nothing more to do with them. I feel that if "Best I Ever Had" (Carsan) "South of the Border" (Dave/Carter) and "Crossing Over" (ER/BTVS Crossover) aren't good enough for them then the other 82 (yes, *82*) shouldn't be either, and they really don't deserve "Fields of Greene" or whatever else I come up with... so I've pulled EVERYTHING of mine and refuse to support a site that doesn't support authors. I can see the music groups, that's a liability issue, and frankly a lawsuit waiting to happen. This, however, isn't. [20]

How about proposing an idea to solve the problem? you do realize that if everyone boycotts the sit, it will shut down and then no one will have free story archives? [21]

And so here's the thing: whether you're a fanfic reader or writer, or whether you're a reader or writer of ANY sort, you do get the freedom to decide for yourself what is and what is not in good taste, but what you don't get to do is to act upon judgements you make for yourself and no one else. Now, assuming was not created by, say, soulless accountants, I have to imagine that the maintainers of were just like us once upon a time, and that they created so that there would exist a forum for any such works that can be called "fanfic." Not fanfic for any particular series, not for any genre, but fanfic. When you give of yourself to provide a service to others, and especially when you profit from it - regardless of whether or not you are only using that money to simply pay the bills and not have any surplus at the end of the month - you take on certain

responsibilities both to those to whom you provide that service, and to yourself as well (so that you, in good conscience, may be able to sleep at night and look at yourself in the mirror in the morning). It cannot be in question that is/was a catch-all service that provided fanfic of every variety. That's the mandate, and I can't imagine anyone who says otherwise. And so when the providers of decide to suddenly break that tenet, they are breaking that responsibility they set for themselves, and in doing so they commit a grave disservice that almost certainly has consequences. Not in the legal sense, but in the sense that it is still unjust.

Bottom line: as a writer, I will have words with anyone who associates themselves strongly with writers but fails to match their convictions with their actions because it is inconvenient for them to follow through. I tolerate enough crap from those that find my writings flawed or distasteful, I have no room in my heart for hypocrisy. [22]

Foul,, Frustrates: Embargo on NC-17 rated fiction peeves fans

There have been a number of e-mails in my boxes (And lo, even my sister has informed me) about's recent ban of NC-17 rated fiction, which loyal readers can plainly see for themselves on the index page. Is it worth putting on the naughty list, though?

Answer: Nope. While's actions are reprehensible, they're not worth the naughty list. is an ARCHIVE for fiction, not a fandom. They don't make money hosting fiction (not to my knowledge, anyway - the ads and the support services are to keep the site afloat, not to make money). They don't have a true 'fandom' of sorts. Therefore, I can't prosecute them as I would an author like Anne Rice.

Because is an archive alone, there is nothing preventing writers from posting their NC-17 work elsewhere. Certainly, readers of such fiction will have a harder time finding the work they love, but I'm certain that new solutions will rise up to host this fiction in other areas (Or, if Xing would be willing to sponsor it, maybe there could be a 'sister' site for erotica only, which would keep younger audiences from unwittingly walking into the material)

Several other archive sites don't allow for NC-17 material. If anything, be thankful allowed such works as long as it did; Granted, I don't approve of how the situation was handled, but there's nothing to say that they're entitled to keep NC-17 fiction on the site. is unfiltering. By making a blanket ban against NC-17 rated fiction, they have saved readers from what would have likely been a worse injustice: Filtering out certain words. It may not seem like that would be worse, but it is — it's exactly what cybercensor programs do, and such a perogative would be sure to inflame readers all over. NC-17 rated fiction, however, is a more exacting action to take and is less likely to have a great amount of snapback.

The bar on NC-17 is up for now, but those who want it back on the site should complain/petition to Xing to bring it back. While the issue is worth fighting for, it's not worth blacklisting.

On that note, here are a couple of petitions to bring back NC-17 fiction to Keep in mind, however, that actual complaints will make more impact than signing these things will. If you want the fiction back, then it's best to do both.

Lists petitions


As some of the other columnists have mentioned - yes, we have thoroughly discussed the banning of NC-17 fics and RP fics (including the Daniel Radcliffe/Elijah Wood slash that me and my real life friends find so fascinating ... for reasons I will not utter here). Even though I was away for much of the discussion (while my inbox suffered), I have to agree - my column is for fantasy writing, or at least writing in general. It is Jekkal's Corporate Bandwagon and others that deal with this (if you haven't read that issue, please do!). And while I have my opinions on the banning, I feel it would be taking advantage of this space to express them since so many people read this.

Oh, and I'd also like to add that we columnists are not in Xing's inner circle. We cannot change things. We have no more influence on his actions that you do. So please refrain from asking us to change things. [24]


In late May, 2012, admins suddenly started deleting stories (together with their reviews and comments) they considered too mature to be on the site. Reports in ffdotnetrants on LiveJournal and the M-Rated Story Purge forum say that a "swear word" in the title or summary of a gen story was enough to get a story deleted without warning.[25] SYOT (Submit Your Own Tribute) stories in The Hunger Games fandom, even though most of them were T-rated, also got mass deleted, as they were considerer interactive stories and therefore against the rules.[26]

On June 4, 2012, a notice was posted on the front page of

Please note we would like to clarify the content policy we have in place since 2002. FanFiction.Net follows the Fiction Rating system ranging from Fiction K to Fiction M. Although Fiction Ratings goes up to Fiction MA, FanFiction.Net since 2002 has not allowed Fiction MA rated content which can contain adult/explicit content on the site. FanFiction.Net only accepts content in the Fiction K through Fiction M range. Fiction M can contain adult language, themes and suggestions. Detailed descriptions of physical interaction of sexual or violent nature is considered Fiction MA and has not been allowed on the site since 2002. [27]

FanFiction.Net had removed much of the adult content (about 62,000 stories) on its site. FanFiction.Net apparently made this purge it changed a prior policy, now allowing writers under the age of eighteen to register.

created June 4, 2012 by alixe75; it shows the amounts and types of fiction removed: FanFiction.Net deleted 2,002 Naruto stories, 1,497 Twilight stories, 1,256 Harry Potter stories, 670 Glee stories, 364 Inuyasha stories, 364 Hetalia - Axis Powers stories, 282 Kingdom Hearts, 213 Pokémon stories, 143 Yu-Gi-Oh stories, 127 Dragon Ball Z stories, 110 Buffy stories, and 47 Doctor Who stories, plus others

From FanFiction.Net:

Please note we would like to clarify the content policy we have in place since 2002. FanFiction.Net follows the Fiction Rating system ranging from Fiction K to Fiction M. Although Fiction Ratings goes up to Fiction MA, FanFiction.Net since 2002 has not allowed Fiction MA rated content which can contain adult/explicit content on the site. FanFiction.Net only accepts content in the Fiction K through Fiction M range. Fiction M can contain adult language, themes and suggestions. Detailed descriptions of physical interaction of sexual or violent nature is considered Fiction MA and has not been allowed on the site since 2002. [28]

Some fans blamed a FanFiction.Net subgroup called Critics United for this purge. Fans in this subgroup made a concentrated effort to target fics they deemed inappropriate by leaving abusive comments in the stories' reviews. [29]

From a June 2012 story in the Huffington Post:

[t]hese unpaid authors are at the mercy of the sites willing to house their work and as such must adhere to the lines drawn in the very murky sand of copyright law. Some of these authors spent months writing and editing novel length works to then have them deleted entirely, as if they were something with no artistic or cultural worth; artefacts that either follow the rules or don't. [30]

Many fans moved their fanworks to other archives, citing both a lack of surprise regarding FFN's enforcement of its own rules, and a desire to archive elsewhere:

I think that's what finally killed me about fandom. That bullshit merited coverage by the Huffington Post, and all that happened was finally decided to deal with some reports and enforce their rules for a little while again. They've done this before. We did it at MediaMiner, when that site was actively moderated - reports would pile up in slack time, when all the mods were busy, and when we'd finally get a chance to look at them, some would take it as a "sudden attack" on their fics. No, it's not a "sudden attack" - you got away with breaking the rules for a while, but now, between some mods who have time on their hands and a group targeting shitty fics, they finally got caught. (For the record - my fics flagrantly disregarded the rules at, and for the last few years I had a notice up on my profile in boldface that said as much and that I was aware of it. I was never, ever, reported; I never, ever had U comment on any of my fics; I never, ever had staff remove them. I finally got sick of the site and took them down myself a few days ago, since I've decided to make my move to AO3 permanent.) [31]

This mass exodus of fans created an unexpected surge that was difficult for many archive's servers and volunteers to handle. Archive of Our Own was one of them. From an announcement at AO3:

...the biggest reason for the site slowdowns is that site usage has increased dramatically! We've almost doubled our traffic since January, and since the beginning of May the pace of expansion has accelerated rapidly. In the last month, more than 8,000 new user accounts were created, and more than 31,000 new works were posted. This is a massive increase: April saw just 4,000 new users and 19,000 new works. In addition to the growing number of registered users, we know we've had a LOT more people visiting the site: between 10 May and 9 June we had over 3,498.622 GB of traffic. In the past week, there were over 12.2 million page views - this number only includes the ones where the page loaded successfully, so it represents a lot of site usage! This sudden and dramatic expansion has come about largely as a result of changes on, who have recently introduced more stringent enforcement of their policies relating to explicit fanworks which have resulted in some fans no longer being able to host their works there. One of the primary reasons the AO3 was created was in order to provide a home for fanworks which were at risk of deletion elsewhere, so we're very keen to welcome these new users, but in the short term this does present us with some challenges! [32]

2012 Fan Petitions

See STOP the destruction of! for more.

A fan, Charlotte Weatherly, began a petition to make FanFiction.Net bring back NC-17 fiction. Weatherly gave it the title of a sentence in the 2002 petition by JoSelle Vanderhooft, Reverse the NC-17 Ruling on!.

Ever since it was opened, Fanfiction.NET had always been a place for avid fans-- of ANYTHING-- to feel at home. To express whatever is on our minds and truly let our love for characters, plotlines and scenarios shine through.

Now all of a sudden, has decided to go through a massive upheaval and remove thousands of stories from its library, some of the best fanfics ever written, gone, never to be read again. They are removing anything involving sexual situations, or violence, or inspired by a song, the list goes on. And we as readers see this as a gross waste of talent and incredible material. has always been a place for us writers to 'Unleash our imagination' as the tagline states, and now we are having that right to freedom of speech and expression taken away from us. Since when are they allowed to dictate what goes into our stories? They are OUR pieces of work. What if the violence or sexual content is part of the plotline? This whole situation is absurd. There are better ways to deal with 'inappropriate' content than to remove it altogether. What about adult filters? Age restrictions? There are so many other options!!

So I'm asking please, for all us readers, writers, and fans alike... STOP THE DESTRUCTION OF FF.NET!!!! [33]

As of June 17, 2012, it had 31,000 signatures.

When the petition closed (date unknown), it had 44,346 signatures.

Fan Comments Regarding the 2012 Purge

Most fandoms have places to post stories as well, and bad reviews can be ignored and deleted. If FFNet gets too 'zealous' (or caves too much) they'll lose authors. I personally know half a dozen or more who've left over disputes, and mine was a very small fandom. [34]

It seem more logical for them to enforce their rules than not. Then adult stuff can more to sites that allow adult material. [35]

It seem more logical for them to enforce their rules than not. Then adult stuff can more to sites that allow adult material.

I actually disagree. is supported by ad revenue, and crazy X-rated fics draw the biggest audiences and therefore the most impressions. (The fic which spawned Fifty Shades of Fanwank, anyone?)

It's not in their financial interest to remove X-rated fics, even at the pressure of what appears to be a group of teens with nothing better to do. The rule is only there, as far as I know, so that in case a source author *does* come down and say, "Hey, that stuff has to go," they can point to their TOS when they take it down and go, "You weren't supposed to post this. Buh-bye."

So I'm wondering what has actually sparked this crackdown. [36]

It's nothing new; they've done it before, driving writers to use their own off-site blogs. As to the "why," look to 50 Shades of Grey and those reposting it (or MotU) in multiple fandoms as a form of "irony." There's already an "adult" ffn in existence, so having the fics there isn't vital to the site's success. [37]

But just that it's a lot of effort on their part to do something that ultimately isn't in their best interest, and I would think to expend that effort, it'd be caused by something more than just some folks with nothing better to do than leave nasty notes. So I'd be more likely to believe a backlash spawning from something like 50 than this Critics United thing. [38]

FWIW, there are plenty of alternatives to - there is a lot of material there which I disagree with - and the way in which some disputes are handled seems overly confrontational. Like I really need to go somewhere where I know there will be drama... [39]

I was flabbergasted when I saw this - I cannot believe so much valuable work is being trashed because it doesn't fit parameters that have not been strictly enforced since they were put into action. I have been a patron of going on eight years now and have read all types of fiction. The work on this site (the work that is being threatened) is what inspired and encouraged me to start writing myself. Some of the best writing I have ever had the pleasure of reading I've read here. Some of which would be trashed due to this rash enforcement.

What is the point of a ratings system if anything disagreeable is automatically purged? Most other sites have age restrictions, I do not see how that is a more difficult task to implement than these new "Image Managers" which quite frankly I think is pointless. I much rather no images on this site for literature and a free range of story content than a little image of the author next to a bland PG story title. How can you have Books, TV shows, Movies, etc that have sexual or violent themes, or course language on this site yet expect the stories created on here to not reflect and stay true to the core of that story and it's characters? It is preposterous. This feels like someone catching a teenager drinking underage and then enacting prohibition on the whole town as a "reasonable" measure.

The though of all those labored over works squandered suddenly TEN YEARS after there being no issue - I am truly disheartened, and I hope either a different course of action is taken or I wish and its future users (all within the PG reading range) the best as I sadly look for a site where one can truly "unleash their imagination". [40]

Further Reading/Meta


  1. ^ - leashing your imagination and deleting your NC-17 fics at
  2. ^ "Some authors are already moving their NC-17 and R fic to" -- Completely OT but anyway:, comment at, September 12, 2002
  3. ^ FanFiction.Net on September 12, 2002
  4. ^ Fanfiction.Net NC-17 Ban in 2002, archived by Kelviniana on April 24, 2012, Archived version
  5. ^ Reverse the NC-17 Ruling on! Petition, Archived version
  6. ^ NC-17 Petition (Was: Re: Join the protest of, post at
  7. ^ Reverse the NC-17 Ruling on! - Signatures, Archived version
  8. ^ ">> has just barred all real person stories and NC-17 fics. I've no real problem with this from an ethical standpoint. There is a pretty big difference between 'free speech' and 'private speech'. If you're paying the bills, you've got the right to determine what will be allowed on your site. comment by "Ghost in the Machine" --- reply by Laura Hale: I totally agree. :) at Subject: Re: Curious timing..., Date Posted: 18:56:51 09/12/02 Thu
  9. ^ comment by Laura Hale at [[RPR?! (post), April 13, 2005
  10. ^ It's hard to know if Laura Hale was referring to an earlier attempt to ban RPF, or she didn't remember the date.
  11. ^ Completely OT but anyway:, comment at, September 12, 2002
  12. ^ Ha, ha. This whole post has plenty of misspelled words and odd word choices.
  13. ^ Hale is referring to constrictions on underage readers, and she was underage.
  14. ^ defense of FF.Net -- Laura (scroll down)
  15. ^ Laura Hale had been a staffer at and had left on poor terms the year before. Hale was also in the middle of launching her new fiction archive site called FanDomination.Net.
  16. ^ NC-17 Petition (Was: Re: Join the protest of, Archived version, post at, September 13, 2002
  17. ^ NC-17 Petition (Was: Re: Join the protest of, Archived version, post at, September 13, 2002
  18. ^ NC-17 Petition (Was: Re: Join the protest of, Archived version, post at, September 13, 2002
  19. ^ NC-17 Petition (Was: Re: Join the protest of, Archived version, post at, September 13, 2002
  20. ^ NC-17 Petition (Was: Re: Join the protest of, Archived version, post at, September 13, 2002
  21. ^ NC-17 Petition (Was: Re: Join the protest of, Archived version, post at, September 13, 2002
  22. ^ removing NC-17 fics, Archived version, post by Roehl Sybing at rec.arts.anime.fandom, September 13, 2002
  23. ^ Foul,, Frustrates: Embargo on NC-17 rated fiction peeves fans, Jekkal (September 14, 2002)
  24. ^ Shining Armor by Khaydarin9 (September 26, 2002)
  25. ^ Experiences with Purging personal reports of stories being removed due to certain words, ffdotnetrants additional reports], accessed 2012-06-02
  26. ^ Dreamwidth Post
  27. ^ home page accessed 2012-6-4
  28. ^ from FanFiction.Net
  29. ^ "It's been suggested that part of the reason behind the purge were the mass-reports coming from a trollish community on FanFiction that felt they have the right to judge which stories do and do not belong on the site." -- A new group to be on the lookout for..., comment by jessioriginal on June 8, 2012
  30. ^ The Book Burning That Wasn't: Thousands of Works of Fiction Destroyed and No One Pays Attention, by Hannah Ellison, June 14, 2012
  31. ^ Have I Come Full-Circle?, comment by hihartnfics, June 14, 2012
  32. ^ Update on AO3 performance issues, June 11, 2012
  33. ^ Petitioning STOP the destruction of!, Archived version
  34. ^ shadowwalker at WARNING: reportedly purging all "explicit" fics [Archive - Absolute Write Water Cooler], Archived version (June 5, 2012)
  35. ^ veinglory at WARNING: reportedly purging all "explicit" fics [Archive - Absolute Write Water Cooler], Archived version (June 5, 2012)
  36. ^ JSSchley at WARNING: reportedly purging all "explicit" fics [Archive - Absolute Write Water Cooler], Archived version (June 5, 2012)
  37. ^ Cyia at WARNING: reportedly purging all "explicit" fics [Archive - Absolute Write Water Cooler], Archived version (June 5, 2012)
  38. ^ JSSchley at WARNING: reportedly purging all "explicit" fics [Archive - Absolute Write Water Cooler], Archived version (June 5, 2012)
  39. ^ BigWords at WARNING: reportedly purging all "explicit" fics [Archive - Absolute Write Water Cooler], Archived version (June 5, 2012)
  40. ^ comment by Kay Be at Petitioning STOP the destruction of!, Archived version