Talk:The Phantom Menace RPS

My thinking is we can mirror how the LOTR/RPF page is set up. This page (Phantom Menace/RPS would be a redirect to Phantom Menace/RPF (which still needs to be created). There would also be redirects for other common usages in the fandom: Phantom Menace RPF and Phantom Menace RPS (again mirroring how the LOTR/RPF redirects are set up).--Morgandawn 07:13, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

Except this place here is the subpage of a redirect currently, is it not? Phantom Menace is not toplevel (though there has been inconclusive discussion whether it should be, like for example here User_talk:Frogspace#the_TPM_as_toplevel_issue), so currently if you made Phantom Menace RPF a subpage it would be Star Wars/The Phantom Menace/RPF, a subpage of a subpage. I don't think that is a good idea. Also the LOTR organization is under discussion. Doro argued somewhere that the Lotrips ought to become its own toplevel fandom page, because the LOTR structure was not good.--RatCreature 09:19, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

I think the LOTR page structure is problematic and not necessarily a good model. If the RPF has its own fandom, it should be a top-level page. This is especially important for LOTR in particular, because both LOTR and LOTRiPS could each have a potentially overwhelming number of character and pairing subpages.--æthel 12:57, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

Yeah. Also the two are quite separate. I mean, I was reading quite a bit of LOTR while its popularity increased due to the movie, and never really saw any RPS stuff, not like in SPN where you tend to get some J2 RPS exposure through shared infrastructure (newsletter and fests and such) even if you try to avoid it. And in SW prequels I only started to see RPF after AOTC, because the Anakin/Obi-Wan was mixed with Ewan/Hayden stuff in comms, so for TPM it definitely seemed a very separate fandom to me, as in I never saw it, despite reading the FPF extensively.--RatCreature 13:05, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

TPM came out in 1999 and was the most productive between 1999 and 2001. RPS reached the tipping point through popslash when slash fandom's interest in TPM had already started to wane and it took Lotrips to finally establish RPS as the "other half" of a TV/movie fandom where there can be FPF and RPF pairings based on the same actors. So, yes, Lotrips was separate and TPM RPF was first invisible (there were many thinly disguised crossovers between other characters played by the same actors though), and later most likely separate. --Doro 14:26, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

So what do we call the RPS page? Maybe it should be put under Ewan Gregor? That could cover the way it bridged from the actor-centric role focus (like with Harrison Ford page) to the plain RPF.--RatCreature 14:42, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

That's a brilliant idea! --Doro 15:22, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

Ok, I'll let you folks handle it anyway you see fit. My goal was to simply raise the issue since I don't feel OK setting policy by myself. In addition to Phantom Menace, we need these types of RPS and RPF categories for the following fandoms to assist Mrs P in inputting RPS fanzines: Harry Potter RPS. Harry Potter RPF. Once the pages and the fandom categories for Phantom menace and Harry Potter are set up drop her a note when it is done. that's because she will have to go back and re-edit and fix all the existing fanzine entries that have been coded "Phantom Menace/RPS". I'll help her with that - but someone needs to set up the structure first --Morgandawn 16:15, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

As either can be redirected wherever we want there is no need to go in an edit a bunch again. I mean I don't think anyone is going to completely delete this page with the draft on, it's just going to become a redirect. I mean, as a label on a zine page its clear enough to call it Phantom Menace/RPS, that's just not a good place to put the article itself.--RatCreature 16:22, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

I have made this into a fandom page using the correct template and requested a move to top level. As far as other RPF zines that will be entered, making a wikilink to the likely name of the fandom page if/when it is made is the way to go. For example: Harry Potter RPF or Harry Potter RPS will, in the fullness of time, either be made a page or a redirect to a page for that fandom. RPF fandom pages will never be subpages of the FPF fandom page--that is clear now with the new fandom category policy. RPF and RPS can be considered the same term for most fandoms and lead to one page --facetofcathy 16:42, 25 April 2010 (UTC)