Talk:Stargate Rollenspiel

I disagree with the renaming of the page. It's not called Deutsch:Stargate Rollenspiel, it's called Stargate Rollenspiel. To invent special naming conventions for some pages without naming other pages English:Whatever Page is exclusionary. If the goal is to make it easier to find pages that deal with fandom in other countries, I suggest adding the category Category:German Fandom. --Doro 09:47, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, the title is ridiculous. We haven't been naming German zines "Deutsch: Zine Titel" either. Also it sounds illiterate, worse than if it was titled "Deutsches Stargate Rollenspiel" or something. Who puts an Adjective in front of the noun with a colon inbetween?--RatCreature 10:19, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

It does look very odd as is. It appears that there is an attempt here to make a new Namespace called Deutsch that would hold all pages in German, not merely make a new naming convention. I don't think that actually happened though, the page appears to me to still be in the Main Namespace and I'm guessing the Namespace was not created before the page was, so that creates a technical problem.

There's good points to having a separate Namespace. My understanding is that you can have templates display differently in different Namespaces, so the headings could be in German as an example. You can search Namespaces individually and look at Special Pages by individual Namespace as well. But, there's drawbacks too, and the biggest to my mind is separation of content by language.

The only reference to language I can find (by searching in the Fanlore Namespace!) is this FAQ which is not very helpful and says something about the expectation that Fanlore will default to English only that isn't true--obviously. So, the bigger question seems to be why the new Namespace and why no policy or public discussion about it first? --facetofcathy 17:11, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

I don't know anything about namespaces for languages -- seems a bit of an overkill frankly what with only a rare non-English page every now and then, shouldn't there be at least ten or twenty or so? I have made pages for German fandom like Donaldism and wrote them in English, and that is true for most pages about non-English fandom, like the ones for Japanese doujinshi. But in any case, the page name as it is now is just messed up, and it should be put back under its previous name to fix that. Then the namespace issue can be discussed.--RatCreature 19:39, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

It seems to me Aethel tried to make a new Namespace, it didn't work and she changed it back. Someone else saw it, thought she had just tried to rename the page and moved it here. Looks like a misunderstanding/accident. This page should be moved back to the original name, Stargate Rollenspiel. I agree that having a separate namespace for a single page is overkill. --Doro 22:28, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

Actually, Awils1 was trying to create a new namespace as well, but it doesn't look like it worked when she tried it either. I emailed her, but I'm assuming she's asleep in a different time zone, so I don't want to move the page back if she has another solution to try out when she's back online. I agree that the way the page name appears doesn't look good.--æthel 22:49, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

So there has been some kind of decision to make name spaces for languages and I missed it? IMO there should be some discussion about this approach, these pro and cons mentioned above before such a step is taken.--RatCreature 00:01, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

My understanding is that the Namespace has to be "made" first, which involves advanced coding of settings (way over my head). You can't just make a Namespace by making a page title with a colon in it, you need to make the Namespace, the corresponding Talk Namespace and then you can make pages with the nomenclature and they will be in that Namespace. It will not pick up the previously named pages with that Namespace nomenclature, so this page is going to require moving at any rate. So is this an experiment or a new, undisclosed policy?--facetofcathy 02:41, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

Hi, I'm sorry that I didn't make any confirmation about this. We have been in talks regarding namespaces, and I have set up the backend, but unfortunately there were some issues with it recognising that I declared a new namespace in the code. So, my apologies, I'll move it back. This was a committee decision, undertaken to encourage translation when we went public with the decision (having namespaces helps automatic tools work on the different pages in different languages), so I am dreadfully sorry that it has flared up. No offense was intended. --awils1 04:51, 18 August 2010 (UTC)