Talk:Star Trek RPF

Why are the RPF AUs described as "curious twist"? It's my impression (admittedly as a non-RPF fan mostly seeing the RPF overlap in newsletter/comm announcements) that such AUs are standard in RPF fandoms. J2 in particular seems full of them.--RatCreature 07:56, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

Unsubstantiated claims

While RPF in Star Trek TOS mostly centered on Shatner/Nimoy (fondly known as Shatnoy) and has been around as long as TOS slash, it has been a largely niche section of Star Trek slash fandom that remained underground until the early 2000s. The link given in reference for this statement doesn't say anything about Star Trek TOS RPF or Shatner/Nimoy slash. The main RPF article doesn't say anything about TOS RPS either. If there was Shatner/Nimory slash (or "Shatnoy", which seems like a more modern pairing name), it's not supported by the given references. --Doro 21:12, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

data point regarding shatnoy: The shatnoy_rpf community was created after the release of the new film. And this ontd member thought they might have coined it first. --æthel 22:31, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

Actually the main RPF article says in the "RPF Underground" section: "By the late '70s, RPS existed for Star Trek actors, and it quickly showed up in the upcoming Blake's 7 and The Professionals fandoms, but it rarely appeared in zines, or the circuit, except (for some reason) in cases where the characters and actors were meeting." --RatCreature 22:47, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

Shatner/Nimoy as the major TOS RPS pairing isn't supported by the references, but the existence of TOS RPS and RPF is. The ffsymposium article contains this line: rumors actually describe early Shatner/Nimoy stories. The Wikipedia RPF article lists "Visit to a Weird Planet, Revisited" (1976), which (I assume) is gen. text of the story, on memory beta.--æthel 22:52, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

Well, I don't know anything about early RPS (and try to know not too much about modern either, lol), but I'd like to point out that this wiki actually does not demand references for claims anyway. So if a fan says that there was Star Trek RPS in the seventies and adds that, that is substantial enough, and if another fan thinks that there was none or very little, that gets added too and we get two POVs, unless once claim was obviously false. So I do I don't quite get the complaint anyway.--RatCreature 23:07, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

The late 70s (RPF article) isn't 1966 (info on this page) and rumors actually describe early Shatner/Nimoy stories isn't RPF in Star Trek TOS mostly centered on Shatner/Nimoy (fondly known as Shatnoy) and has been around as long as TOS slash (The slash article says slash stories first began being circulated and published in the mid-1970s). I'm saying that references are supposed to say what they are references for. If someone says "I was there and that is what I saw", that's one thing. Quoting a rumor about early TOS RPS for a modern pairing name and a date that predates TOS character slash is another thing. --Doro 00:39, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

I didn't understand the sentence to mean that the pairing name was around that long, but that it is used today. Much like we use "het" in modern sense even on things when the genre lines were different. Though it probably should say something like "today also known as Shatnoy". Also I think it might help to separate out RPF of the "actors meet characters, hijinks ensue" type, like that story in Spockanalia #3 from 1968, more clearly from RPS, like the RPF page does.--RatCreature 09:01, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

not one fandom

The intro on this page currently implies that all Star Trek RPF is a continuous progression, but my (limited) experience in the RPF fandom based on the 2009 movie was that it was inspired just by that movie and had no (or limited) continuity with Shatner/Nimoy fandom. Also, in 2010 someone added a claim that reboot fans more commonly use the alternative RPS (Real Person Slash). I am not sure this is true anymore, or if it is, it could be specific to certain communities. My experience on tumblr and AO3 generally is that across the board people are using RPF and "RPS" has gone the way of the dodo. My experience with RPF in general is that the relationship between RPF fandoms does not necessarily correspond to the relationship between the FPF fandoms. For actorfic, it's either inspired by interest in the immediate film/tv show, or the fans have followed that actor from whatever unrelated project they did before. But I haven't been into reboot RPF for years, so I'd like a second opinion.--aethel (talk) 23:12, 12 September 2016 (UTC)

data point: of the fics featuring reboot cast that are still online (all posted between May 2009 and July 2010), 7 used "RPF", 3 used "RPS", and 3 used nothing.--aethel (talk) 23:59, 12 September 2016 (UTC)

I absolutely agree that it is not one fandom. I have run into very, very little RPS from the original show. "Shadows in the Rain" and "Sojourn" is the most visible. There was almost certainly very underground, drawerfic with a TOS RPS focus because that's just how fan brains work, but I've found little obvious evidence of it discussed, anywhere. The genre is something that took off from the reboot/AOS fandom. --MPH (talk) 01:22, 13 September 2016 (UTC)