Talk:List of Due South Fanzines

I think this page needs to be moved to Due South Fanzines by a gardener as per the capitalization rules for entry titles outlined here: http://fanlore.org/wiki/Help:Titles --Ratcreature 18:47, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Why was this moved to top level?

I thought we said lists would remain subpages? I think this page should be moved back to due South/Fanzines. --Doro 15:52, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

No, all subpages of fandom pages, including list pages, are being moved to top-level pages as part of the policy. Is there a reason not to move them?--æthel 16:43, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

Sorry but I must have missed that part. I thought we said lists such as zine list and fandom glossary lists would remain subpages because that is what makes the most sense. I didn't read anywhere that lists would be moved to top level and I can't remember that a proposal to do so was part of the discussion at all. --Doro 18:11, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

I think it was touched on at some point in the two dreamwidth posts, but I can't find a definitive statement. I recall that before the fandom category policy was rolled out, there was a "challenge" challenge that instructed editors to create "List of ..." pages. At that time there were objections because it was counter to common editing practice, yes? --æthel 18:52, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

I thought fanzine lists and community lists and such would remain subpages too. But then I've not paid as close attention recently, so I might have missed things.--RatCreature 22:10, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

Perhaps discussion on the policy should be re-opened? I'm not sure what was decided regarding lists; it's not mentioned in Fanlore:Fandom_as_a_Category, at least. But I would like to see lists remain subpages, I think that would be very useful for organization and access. Would someone like to bring it up on DW? -- Kylara 22:31, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

I emailed the other wiki committee members about it. Was there anyone who had their heart set on moving list pages to top-level pages?--æthel 22:52, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

Wiki Committee Response

This is the official answer from the committee: All subpages of fandom pages are being moved to top level pages as part of the policy. All fandom list pages will be moved to "List of Fandom [Fanzines, Fanficiton, Communities, Challenges, Whatever]". Examples: List of Due South Fanzines, List of Harry Potter Pairing Names, List of House, M.D. Lists and Communities. All of these list pages will be added to the category for their fandom, plus a subcategory if one is created (e.g. Category:Due South Zines). Meri will post to the dreamwidth community soon to list the minor decisions and clarifications about fandom categories that we've made during the process of implementing the policy.--æthel 02:07, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

A problem I've noticed with adding the category of the fandom is that the category gets so big it's useless. The purpose of the category and top level structure is "to allow users to find aspects of the fandom more easily." But I can't find anything in them because they're filled with everything from that fandom and I don't know what's important or of interest. For example, Category:Harry_Potter. I suppose the "List of"s will always be under L, but it's still a big hodgepodge of pages. I'd much rather see the lists remain as subpages so that they're easily accessible from the main posts. I would like the wiki committee to reconsider how to use and implement Fandom as a Category and keep usability and browsing accessibility in mind. -- Kylara 02:59, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

Seconded. The wiki committee should reconsider. --Doro 12:11, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

Thirded. What I'm finding is a barrier to browsing is that the fandom category page lists all pages that are in that category and in all the subcategories, except Zines (sometimes). I can look at just the pages in a subcategory, but I can't look at just the pages in the main fandom category. I can't get the signal to noise ratio up high enough to get anything out of a lot of the fandom category pages -- especially when they are full of pages for fanworks--I can't tell a fic title from a page about some fandom-related concept sometimes. I also now find the Category:Fandoms by Source Text page to be frustrating (if I scroll down a little, I can't tell if I'm looking at subcategories or pages) and nearly useless. I think a rethink about how the pages are breadcrumbed and how far up the chain they should be breadcrumbed is in order.--facetofcathy 16:06, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

The problem is that having some subpages and some fandom categories will only make a mess in the end. There will be no consistency. And that was why we went to the fandom categories in the first place. I think we could go with having the fanworks only in the fanwork categories, as well as the challenges and other like items. But having some subpages and some category subpages is not going to work.

I have been trying to find time to create a document and post it, but I'm terrifically busy right now with RL stuff. and I just haven't done it yet. And now, I think we'll need to rethink it.--Meri 22:53, 10 May 2010 (UTC)