Talk:Hawaii Five-0 (2010)

Name issues

There is no Hawaii Five-0 page (well, it's a redirect, but it doesn't have to be) so we could move this to Hawaii Five-0, if that's the correct spelling. --Doro 21:56, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

Hi! yeah, I was just about to say that the redirect should probably be changed to point here, and maybe the year designation (2010) should be kept for clarity's sake? According to IMDB and all the online sources I saw, Five-0 with a zero is the correct spelling of the new show's title, but it could be confusing to have two names that are so very similar. I defer to the gardeners' wisdom. Sinead 22:01, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

Both Wikipedia and IMDB use "O" for the older series and "0" for the newer one, in case anyone's wondering why they're different here on Fanlore. It seems like a good idea to go with that, and make redirects if needed. --Mrs. Potato Head 14:00, 7 January 2011 (UTC)

I would say we either drop the 2010, move it to Hawaii Five-0 and add a disambiguation line with a link to the other page (same with the Hawaii Five-O page) or we keep the 2010, move the other page to Hawaii Five-O (1968), and turn the pages without date into disambiguation pages that link to both shows. Either approach would be fine. I'm in favor of treating both shows equally, no matter what's decided, so that there can't be any hard feelings because one page gets to keep the name without disambiguation and the other doesn't. --Doro 22:13, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

I think that option B (give each page a date, create disambiguation pages) will probably be the clearest. --Sinead 22:41, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

Fandom Category

Should the fandom category for this be Category:Hawaii Five-0 or Category:Hawaii Five-0 (2010)? The fandom category for the original version is Category:Hawaii Five-O. --Doro 21:35, 17 February 2011 (UTC)

CBS gives the correct spelling of the name of the show(s)

This is a copy of a question that I posted on the Wikipedia Help Desk re: Spelling of the names of the two Hawaii Five-0 programs. As you can see from the response from Maproom, I got a less than specific answer from Maproom. It might be easier to reach consensus here, having cooler heads, etc.

       I happened to fall over an article that discusses a Press Release from CBS. I also found an article from the LA Times that references the same Press release. It has to do with the spelling of the two Television program's name and has been hotly debated. 
   CBS explains spelling of name for both series

"I found this reference today [1]. This is the full press release: THIS JUST IN… SHORTEST PRESS RELEASE IN CBS HISTORY EDITORS NOTE: The “0” in HAWAII FIVE-0 is a zero, not a capital O there is also one from the LA Times that references the same press release.[2]"

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   Wikipedia prefers to refer to subjects by the name that is usually used for them, not by their "official name" or by what their owners would like them to be called. If you want to change the name that an article uses, it will help your case if you provide an independent reference as evidence that the name you are changing it to is the one in common usage. Maproom (talk) 09:34, 12 May 2016 (UTC)

       This entire question is a nit-pickers delight! Wikipedians decided, after arriving at consensus to call one show 0 and the other show O. Both are pronounced the same but spelled differently. The Studio said in 2010, that both shows are spelled with a 0

The only difference is the years: 1978 or 2010; or original and reboot. Either item could be used to tell them apart. I can not think of another Television show where something like this has ever happened. BobDog54 (talk) 21:32, 16 May 2016 (UTC)

This might be a little confusing as I am blending two pieces of information together badly. Bobdog54 (talk) 21:40, 2 June 2016 (UTC)

I'm not sure what you propose should be changed. The title of this page already is "Five-0" (zero). Also, with regard to the old show, the linked sources say that "Viacom, the distributor of the original, has long maintained that it was indeed a zero but have been inconsistent in their materials" and that the "CBS website is inconsistent and official videos for the show use “O” on YouTube." Given that Wikipedia and IMDB use "O" for the old show, it makes sense to use it on fanlore as well, especially as it's very helpful for disambiguation purposes. --Doro (talk) 11:35, 3 June 2016 (UTC)

Wikipedia chose the O-1978;0-2010 for disambiguation purposes just as you are suggesting for FanLore. I am suggesting that FanLore and Wikipedia switch to Hawaii Five-0 (1978) and Hawaii Five-0 (2010). That takes away all doubt and is in line with the 2010 Press Release from CBS. Inconsistencies exist within names especially for the 1978 series because all of these instances were the work of people who didn't think it made any difference. There were not any Wikis, most people couldn't tell the difference between a zero (0) and an Oh (O) in computer fonts. Who keeps track of these things and who cares and does it make a difference?

The world is more sophisticated now in 2016 and people do care. Wikipedia and FanLore become expert sources and that brings with it the responsibility to be as correct as possible not as expeditious as possible. Corrections made and references given. Historical inconsistencies in the naming conventions can be explained and the "new" naming scheme put into effect.

I hope that consensus can be achieved, if not, I will know that I made the suggestion and majority rules (?). Thank you Bobdog54 (talk) 12:26, 3 June 2016 (UTC)

You still haven't said what changes you want to make. This page alread has a zero in the name. --Doro (talk) 12:32, 3 June 2016 (UTC)

There are lots of other examples of canon sources having slight variations in titles in different venues. (For example, IMDB uses both "Starsky and Hutch" and "Starsky & Hutch.") When Fanlore editors made a page for the original Star Trek series, they titled it something different than what it was officially and originally called (simply "Star Trek") in order for fans to tell the different shows apart. I don't think either of these two examples confuse fans, or proclaim to be the "official" title.

I think that as long as redirects get fans to the right pages, and the small difference in the title is explained on the page, then that should take care of things. Fanlore is how fans see and discuss things, not a complete historical record of canon sources. Plus, a short section on the page itself summarizing the debate about the title is a "fan reaction" in itself, and that's Fanlore's main goal. --MPH (talk) 13:08, 3 June 2016 (UTC)

Mrs. Potato Head - you are brilliant! Doro, I apologize, in the version in my head I was very clear and specific; online - not so much. I would like to see Hawaii Five-0 (2010) or (1978). I also think I needed what FanLore is so good at - "to be heard" Wikipedia has editors who will stomp all over a request or a question with the motto that "the loudest one wins and if editors are lost in the scuffle - too bad" I am going to go off now and draft up a paragraph for the page and be thankful for the kind and calm people here. Bobdog54 (talk) 14:31, 3 June 2016 (UTC)

Hawaii Five-0 and Hawaii Five-O are disambiguation pages that both link to Hawaii Five-0 (2010) and Hawaii Five-O (1968), so that no matter how you spell it ("O" or "0"), you can always find the page for the show you are looking for. --Doro (talk) 08:58, 4 June 2016 (UTC)

Matter seems resolved so I"m removing the "Attention Gardeners" template --Alex (talk) 19:00, 11 December 2016 (UTC)