Talk:Disney Channel Original Movies

Not Totally Sure of This

I'm not so sure a complete list of every Disney original movie is very fandom related, especially where some of them don't appear to be fandom related/have a fandom. For example Motocrossed is under "sports" (sports is a fandom, but does motoscrossed as movie, specifically, have a fandom?), and some films just link to an actor (though the actor(s) may have fandom around them this doesn't necessarily mean that every movie they star in does). I'm tagging this for gardeners, but my personal opinion is that if some of these films do have fandoms around them they should have their own pages which can then be under a "Disney Channel Original Movie" category (or just "Disney" which I think exists already), instead of having them here like a wikipedia filmography page. Patchlamb (talk) 20:15, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

User:Patchlamb I added to the page so that it isn't just a list, and I'm going to find the fandom/fanworks areas for all of the films that I can, either to link on their own pages or in a section on this page. I know that DCOMs as a category has a popular graphics fandom and many of the films are popular with cosplay, and there are also several that have fanworks either on FFn, AO3, LJ, or Wattpad that are still accessible. It'll just take me a while to track everything down. I also am unsure why a real-person fandom for an actor would not qualify as a fandom if there are fanworks, especially fic, about them within the RPF sphere? Where is the line between acceptable fandoms for fanlore and fandoms that do not "count," wrt RPF/real-person fandom?

That sounds good. There's no notability requirement necessarily, since microfandoms exist, as long as there is enough fanwork for a page it should be fine. My concern isn't pages for small RPF, but this specific page that is indexing source material instead of having them each on their own pages. The What Fanlore is Not page says that Fanlore isn't meant to be an encyclopedia of popculture, or an index of every fanwork, or a repository for plot summaries, and needs to focus on fandom. I'm not certain that a long list of films next to a box stating what fandoms they influence goes against those or not. But that's why I've tagged it for gardeners to take a look at and determine whether it's appropriate. Patchlamb (talk) 21:23, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

I think I was just saving it at the exact same moment you did, because I was scouring through old (handwritten!) lists of fics for different early DCOMs, and had another question -- many of these fandoms primarily existed on GeoCities and Angelfire, but I can't find cached versions on Wayback. Is there a standardized way to denote that the majority of a fandom's fanworks were lost with GeoCities' purge, the end of Yahoo! Groups, etc?

You may want to try here, they saved a bunch of old Geocity links. If you haven't tried it already there should also be a search function on Wayback Machine, you might try searching for specific keywords related to the fandom(s), I found that helpful when looking up old sites for Creatures. You could also try searching for the sites with this archive but I think it's newer than Wayback and might not be helpful either. If all else fails and you still can't find the old fanworks... that's a shame, losing old fandom works like that. :(

There isn't any standard way to note that, you can just say they were lost to time and were never archived. You can include that in either the main page text itself or notate it within a reference/note. If you have any broken links you can still include those on the page, but you'll want to stick a dead link code next to it, I've put it below. Patchlamb (talk) 21:39, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

{{dead link}}

I agree with Patchlamb - for sites, communities or fanworks that are lost we have no standardized way of denoting that. Also there's a lot of variation between fandoms and what works for one may not apply to others. Generally, I either used the dead link code above, or I create an internal fanlore link (redlink). I usually only create redlinks for topics where I know there is enough info for its own Fanlore page - but like Patchlamb said, there's no notability requirement on Fanlore.

We could add a fandom section to this page and add info on where the fandom used to be and what it was like back then, with a reference to the purge(s) or shutdowns that resulted in lost communities or works. It could also include more recent info on the types of activities fans engage in - like graphics and cosplay that were mentioned above. (Basically a section with all the details on DCOM fandoms Ulanbataar had discussed here) I think that would also address Patchlambs concern, by adding more fandom content to the page.

I can't get on the Ao3 tag at the min to see if there are crossovers in DCOM fandoms, but if there are, a central page may be useful to give an overview on that as well. We do have pages for DC Comics and MCU - two fandoms where fans can be engaged with multiple subfandoms or just one subfandom. If DCOM fandoms are similar then I think this central page is warranted. --Auntags (talk) 23:36, 12 January 2021 (UTC)