Talk:Courts of Honor

Why does the first paragraph have such different line spacing?--Sherrold 17:18, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

wrong tag, have fixed. :-)--Mary Crawford 17:48, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

We need an old Trek fan to fill in the rest of the controversy.--Sherrold 17:18, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

Private correspondence should have the permission of both parties, see Citation for more details. --Betty 17:25, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

Perhaps we can use the info about this controversy in the Legacy zines]]?--Mary Crawford 17:48, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

I'm not sure about the 'especially Kirkies' part. I was always a Spock fan first, and I adore CoH. The characterization of Kirk is fantastic, but so is Spock's, and they both get 'starring moments'. But this is my personal opinion - does this have a place on the zine page?--Mary Crawford 17:55, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

art credits?

Was the art done by the author? The uploaded cover file doesn't say who the artist was.--Ratcreature 20:58, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

-No is was not done by the author. I'm sorry I forgot to write who the artist was. Do you need to have permission from the artist to put it on here? I am not home right now but I can tell you when I looked at the zine who the artist is.--Silencio 21:45, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

I don't know whether permission is needed for such small reproductions. This page: http://fanlore.org/wiki/Fanlore:Linking_Guidelines says "Never hotlink a media file by embedding it on or uploading it to the wiki (unless you have received permission from its creator beforehand). Fanlore is not an archive for fanworks - it's a resource about fanworks." (perhaps this is also because of the CC license of everything in the wiki), but I don't know whether that also includes very low qualiy reproductions such as here. I didn't really stumble over the permission thing, I mean it is a very small coverscan like you find on book sites too, as that I found it inequal that the fan artist wasn't acknowledged only the writer, and also curious, because the cover looks nice.--Ratcreature 22:26, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

The Wiki Comm has looked at this -- thanks for bringing to our attention the implicit conflict between the Copyright and Linking policies. Upon review, we've decided that treating fanworks differently than pro works (which can be uploaded as a fair use) is a little silly, and thus, it's fine to use a zine cover without permission. Of course, if the artist asks us to remove it, we will. If the artist is known, she should be credited! Thanks. -Melina 19:05, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

I've read the new policies and I think it makes sense to treat fan and pro works the same, but I think the guidelines to what is fair use wrt fan-made images could be a bit clearer for the practice, especially for images that are online published originally. Like that images uploaded to illustrate something should maybe be a lower resolution, and how the original place it comes from should be linked visibly so that the fan artists can still get feedback or something. What I'm getting at is that unlike with quotes from fiction or a few panels taken from a longer comic or whatever, with a standalone image the single image is pretty much it. And with online published images for example it is easier for people to upload the file in the original resolution to this wiki than to change it to a small image, but then it is more or less direct "competition" to the place where the fanartist published their own work. Does that make sense? I mean, I get that for example to illustrate say a fanart style uploading an image copy to illustrate the article might be fair even without permission, but I think the setup in this wiki should be clear in its guidline so that it brings traffic and viewers to the original artists when possible.--Ratcreature 19:36, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

Speaking for myself now, to be honest, I'm not sure that more detailed policies are needed -- at least right now. I think that common sense and good gardening will probably be enough. We have tried hard not to write policies incorporating every possible scenario, in order to keep them user-friendly and readable. Not every case is the same -- for example, a cover to an offline zine that's been out of print for 20 years is different than an online zine with a current web site, and I think that in practice, what's appropriate in terms of links, etc. will probably be pretty obvious in most situations. It's hard to imagine a page about an online zine that didn't include links, for example. I think that links and credit matter more than the resolution, and one-size-fits-all policies probably wouldn't be a good fit here. As far as other art, I think we'll have to see if that's appropriate at all, given the context in which it's used -- it may not be, but again, one-size-fits-all is probably not the best way to approach it. FWIW, I don't see the wiki as "competition" -- if a reader is interested enough to click a link, they probably will, and if they aren't, decreasing the resolution probably isn't going to encourage them. (In fact, I think it will discourage them if they can't see an image very well.) -Melina 20:09, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

Art info

On ebay there is a Courts of Honor cover poster from 1982.[1] The description says, "These posters came out well before the zine was available. There were numerous delays on the zine itself until it was finally released in 1985.The artwork was done by fan artist SAT NAM KAM, based on the wonderful story by SYN FERGUSON." --Doro 21:01, 29 July 2010 (UTC)

Courts of Honor online

I've done a small update to provide a link to the novel now that it's just been made available online. This was a mammoth undertaking by Killa, who got Syn's agreement to put both The Price and Courts online, together with Gayle F's artwork for The Price and perhaps, more significantly, agreement from Suzan Lovett to include her artwork back where it belongs with the story, 25 years after the fact. All this probably deserves a lot more of an explanation - since I worked with Killa to make this happen, I could ask her to provide a small summary of events to include on this page, if it's considered appropriate. --amandawarrington 18:28, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

First, congratulations on this accomplishment! Second, I think section on this event is certainly in order, and in fact, desirable. --Mrs. Potato Head 19:05, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

Thanks! And done! Sorry, I don't know how to thread discussions with indents.