Me n' Thee Times
|Title:||Me n' Thee Times|
|Publisher:||out of England|
|Fandom:||Starsky and Hutch|
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There were least eight issues: from an ad placed on The Starsky & Hutch Archive (mid-1990s) in 2000: "It's bi-monthly and currently up to issue #5/6. Filled with news, fan letters, fanfiction, poetry, articles, and anything else related to the world of S&H."
This zine is a continuation of Frienz.
Some regular features:
- "D'ya think the lyrics fit," song lyrics reprinted as a suggestion for "videos"
- "Huggy's Word on the Street," promotional info about what the star were up to
- TOTM, that issue's discussion topic
From the editor: "To make things a bit easier for those of you who have access to e-mail please feel free to send me your letters via the net (to the e-mail address below) - that should i give you a bit more time to meet the deadline. And for those of you who don't have access to a PC/typewriter please feel free to send me your hand written contributions & I'll be happy to type them up for you."
This letterzine's content is very uplifting regarding friendship and fandom, and contains no controversy.
It was published 6 times per year -- price per issue £2.50/$5.00 (dollar bills accepted).
For other Starsky and Hutch letterzines, see List of Letterzines.
Me n' Thee Times 1 was published in Feb/March 1999 and contains 36 pages.
WELCOME to the very first issue of "The Me n' Thee Times."
I'm filled with mixed emotions as I write my first editorial for this new SH letterzine. There is of course a sense of excitement to be producing "MnT", but there is also, quite naturally I guess, that feeling of trepidation as I take my first steps into the world of1/z production. With so many great predecessors there is, after all, a lot to live up to!!!
But I've had a very good piece of advice & that is to have fun - so that's what I'm gonna do. After all that's what it's all about - that's why we all love watching/talking/writing SH.
So what can you expect from this l/z? Well as you can see it's in a different format to many of the others that have gone before it - this will hopefully make it easier to read, as well as providing greater scope for including new features (such as colour photos). One such feature you'll find in this first issue is "Huggy's Word On The Street." The main man on the streets has promised us he'll keep us up-to-date on things "that are happening" in the world of SH, so we'll be hearing more from him in future issues.
As for the content, well a lot of that is down to you guys. I realise that one o f the main reasons why Jean Holmes called a halt to Frienz was the lack of regular contributors - but I also realise what "Real Life" is all about. From someone with 2 young kids & a pretty stressfull job take it from me I know!! So I DO understand that writing into a 1/z can fall low down on the "RL Priority List". But that's okay - one thing's for sure there is NO pressure to write into "MnT". If you can contribute -then that's great - if you can't all of the time then that's fine too. But it would be nice to think that at some point throughout the year you will be able to share your SH views - whether on the "TOTM" or on any other SH related item.But as we all know SH views are VERY obviously mixed. So will there be any rules in "MnT" as to what you can or cannot write about? The answer is a resounding NO - that's up to you. One thing though - please remember that everyone has different opinions (well life would be boring if they didn't right) so please be aware that not everyone is gonna share your point of view on some things. And the other VERY important thing to remember is LET'S HAVE FUN!!!
- a fan writes: Internet and E-mail take their predictable toll on L/Zs as we've known them for two decades — just one more fact of fanlife. And one more reason for an especially warm welcome to Viv's enterprise in launching "The Me and Thee Times." I can't recall a time without a SH L/Z — sometimes more than one concurrently. I agree with that proposition which I've quite often heard voiced: it isn't, primarily, a question of the number who participate in a L/Z fandom, sharing ideas and interpretations in a variety of ways, It's much, much more the quality of the sustained interest and commitment of fans, for whom the series has never lost the uniqueness to which we responded from the outset still these after countless viewings. SO — *Thank You* Viv for taking this newest L/Z under your wing.
- re the TOTM: Topic for discussion : SWEET REVENGE ...an evocative ending to the aired series and a fruitful starting point for some memorable fanfiction. If that 'History of S&H' ever comes to be written, that overview of the phases of seasons and the series, SREV will need a chapter to itself. Are there general differences between the pre- and the post- SREV fiction? —in the writing, the treatment of themes and of character motivation- as if the episode represents a kind of watershed. I wonder what the ratio now between fiction set before and after, in what ways that open-ended episode has shaped subsequent writing. Does it mark discernible, substantial differences? There are various episodes which, more than others, gave special impetus to the story-spinning and inspired some important writing... none more, surely, than SREV. The first post-SREV zine I read was — I think -- Teri White's 'Hopscotch'. And there was S. Soliste's 'Gunther's Revenge' (1982) . 'Lifeline' some years later ...so many more, all growing out of that episode.
- re the TOTM: I became seriously "involved" with S&H in 1978. In a sense, the 4th season was my first Season. And, it may have been silly of me at the time/but I had real concerns that they were going to kill off Starsky. (Interesting to note that during that highly dramatic and intense drama, my husband chose to set up the new bed. I remember asking him to wait until the show was over. But no, it had to be done right then and therein the same room where I was agonizing over Starsky's injuries and Hutch's sorrow. Set it up he did, and noisily, too. "Why are you worried? They won't won't kill off the star of the show," he wanted to know at one point in the ordeal. He had no idea how important S&H were becoming to me, by then. It was more than a cop show to me. When Hutch said, "Starsky's gonna die." to Huggy that was enough for me to become convinced our curly-haired charmer was a goner. All those other times, Hutch seemed to think there was a chance. But, this time? He was giving up, yielding to the inevitable separation and the loss. What was I supposed to think, if Hutch was telling me me Starsky wasn't going to make it. And yes, it may seem a bit ridiculous to care so much about two tv characters. But, by then, S&H was becoming a safe place for me to express my emotions in, a wonder ground of involvement and imagination. I wasn't just watching it; I was living it. Over time, the mattress lumped into disuse, the marriage ended, and the series became a 70's icon preserved on videotape, still, tucked away in my heart is the knowledge that some things do end well! They don't sag in the middle, end in the courts, or get cancelled. They remain. They remain as a talisman against disillusion, as a badge that protects and serves my faith - in love. And, when endings do come, as we all know they must, what better closure than that last moment S&H gave us: alive, together, celebrating Life with trusted friends. L'Chayim! In that last scene, Hutch did exactly what I expected him to do. He got into bed his partner. And, while for some, his action shouted s-e-x. For me, it whispered warmth and intimacy, a cozy comfort and a shared existence, a secure and safe place right by his partner's side. I don't believe we'll see the likes of that perfect moment again, a sterling scene of unashamed caring and closeness, a fitting tribute to their relationship. Yes I know...it's only a tv show. Over time, I've heard others remind me. But, you see, wonderful and wonderful things evolved from that fiction. This chance to recall with you something that has real meaning for me, is one such wonder. The safe place that fandom provides, a place where I can laugh and cry, a place where I can develop my writing and gain confidence. S&H brought me dear friends and shared joy, and a place to share sorrow and be comforted.
- re the TOTM: I think it is nearly fan blasphemy to admit this, but Sweet Revenge is not in my top 10 favorite episodes. Though I will say it is my very favorite end-of-series episodes. It's pretty hard to end a popular series with a final episode that will please everyone, or give fans just what they've been looking for as a final capper to their favorite show. My only other fandom is Miami Vice and I positively HATED their two-part series ending, it was dismal and depressing and cheated some of the series regulars, and I could go on for hours about what was wrong with THAT thing. So when it came time for me to view Sweet Revenge for the first time I was pretty worried. It was an older show. There was all that censorship. And fourth season in its own was pretty lack-luster (though for reasons of my own dementia, it's my favorite). So, needless to say, Sweet Revenge was starting at a disadvantage with me before the first frame went by.
- a fan writes: It's great to meet you all again in the pages of this, the latest in a long line of S&H letterzines. Three cheers to Viv for keeping up the tradition after all what would life be like without the chance to communicate with others about our enduring love for these two guys. Hard to believe that it is now twenty years, near enough, since "Sweet Revenge" went out. I have a vivid memory from 1979 of going out to shop with my Mother (aged 18) and feeling like my world was coming to an end because that night the last episode ever of this all important show was to be screened. I quite clearly remember sitting in the car in Safeway's car park convinced that I was the only person in the world who could understand how traumatic if was to know that S&H was no more. It seemed like nothing else mattered and I felt so alone because I knew that nobody else could possibly understand how I was feeling. Perhaps it would have been of some comfort that day if I could have looked ahead and seen the future and the fact that twenty years on S&H is still as important as ever to many of us and that I most certainly was not alone. Many other interests have come and gone but nothing has ever touched me in quite the ways that S&H did, and I doubt that anything ever will. It was a thrill to discover fandom some 2 years ago and I only wish I had known of its and your existence in all the intervening years. Let's hope that we can give "The Me n' Thee Times" a long and healthy life.
- re the TOTM: When I first saw this episode, way back, I felt cheated, I thought "what kind of last episode is this, there's no togetherness, no hurt comfort, they are apart for most of the ep." But, as I got older and wiser, I realised it was the ultimate in 'relationship', they were two people sharing the same soul, existing as two halves of the same person. With Starsky in a coma, Hutch literally goes to pieces, we see him fall apart, and slowly lose his grip on reality. There are some very poignant moments, the most intimate being that Starsky's heart doesn't start beating until Hutch bursts through the hospital corridor doors. It's quite a deep episode, and every time I watch it, I still find some little subtle meaning in certain things. The end of course, has me laughing almost as hysterically as S&H. A good way to end the series, and a writers' dream!!
- a fan writes: Another reflection of what this fandom and this L/Z are all about.There's the music too - — the good songs and all those good song—tapes which owe so much to SREV episode.'Names?, as DMS once asked. How about 'These are the days of our lives' (or Queen's' Innuendo'album). Or, from 'La Cage aux folles','The Best of Times is Now'. Two more with affinities to the theme of this first issue.
- there is a long flyer for The S&H Archive: see image
- an ad for ZedCon 2, see that page
- reprints of humorous cartoons
- the column "Huggy's Word on the Street": -- what the celebrities are up to
- fiction: "Just Like It Should Be" by Pat Massie
- poem: "Lifeline" by Vg
- poem: "Could He Bear It? by Vg
- a fan writes: "Like S&H Song Videos? How about this recent Hit from the Irish band BOYZONE -- d'ya thing the lyrics fit?" [lyrics to the song "No Matter What" redacted]
- mock-ups of articles in "The Bay City Sun" and "The B.C. Times" by Vg, some by Vg and Tabby: "Hero Cop Gunned down in Mob Style Shooting," "Corporate Giant Arrested for Murder: Further Charges to Follow, Gunther Industries Left in Ruin"
Me n' Thee Times 2 was published in Apr/May 1999 and contains 30 pages.
- TOTM: ""What does SH fandom mean to you & what have you gained from it?"
- regarding the TOTM: I saw S&H the very first time in 1978 when I was 17 years old. In Germany were only shown a few episodes from the first two seasons - and then it was cancelled because the television-station condemned it too brutal. So S&H had to find their places in my first (really sweet naive) stories, I had a few tapes, only recorded their voices, my fantasy and a few clippings I was able to collect. But even I grew up, got married, started a family (I'm the mother of three wonderful sons) and real life took all my close attention. All the time I never lost PMG out of sight (well, I am a Starsky-fan), but in 1992 - after nearly fifteen years without them - I realised that there was a television-station that reran S&H. It all begun again andI found reallyunexpectedlya friend who loved Hutch. The rest is history. I fell into a warm haunt of friendship and discussion all oyer the world. Within two years I knew friends in USA, Australia, France, Switzerland, and above all lots in England and of course in Germany. I visited England two times, one time to participate in my first fan-day. I met several wonderful friends who made it possible for me to dip into the world-wide friendship and all because of SSiK I had a wonderful time and some of the most powerful moments in my life rescued me in a time that was getting personally and physically a disaster. A bunch of these wonderful people are still my friends, who helped me often, gave me their confidential love and trust. We had a lot of fun, really, and a lot of adventures, experiencing that the whole world seemed to be ours!! In 1995 I distributed the first and so far only S&H l/z in Germany which started with a huge success. After one and half year I looked for a successor, found someone in Anne who ran our „Wanna Share" another year. It ended in a small last issue in April 1998 because of the constant decreasing contributions and considering there was no one found who wanted to continue. I organised our first meeting of the German S&H fans in November 1996 - we spent a fantastic time together and a few of us are still meeting at least once a year. We had several great auctions with a really good result for PAF, thanks to the generosity of some friends, who donated S&H-items or stories to the auctions. I wrote a few novels and a lot of short stories for the German fans, which were received with great delight and I later tried to translate some of them. I think I shouldn't have done this - it didn't work out very well and so they never reached the English spoken world... But I discovered that I love to write stories and translating was a great experience and I practised my English at least.... In the meantime I try to publish a novel here in Germany (no S&H) - without much success so far - but I think I have to be optimistic. Keep fingers crossed... Well, you see - S&H - they had a huge influence on my life, they gave me most wonderful times, they make me discover my hidden talents, they were responsible that I met some of the most important people in my life, they make me feel happy and sad - 1 think it's not too much when I say - they changed my life. I loved and lost love, I flew into the clouds, fell deep down into nothing and got myself out again. There was a time I didn't know whether I'll be able to go through all this what life forced me to bear. But I did - had to - and all of this had begun in rediscovering S&H and becoming acquainted with a person who shared all this with me. Then I lost almost everything and I went again through the experience that friendship, even love gets lost in real life like before, but this time it was so merciless because we thought this would never happen the time after S&H - do you know what I mean?! I learned that this S&H thing is the most wonderful dream that - in real life - unfortunately never will come true. So I can tell you, S&H had a deep impact on me and my life and I do know, I'll never forget what they did to me. And I guess this memory will never disappear.
- re the TOTM: What does SH fandom mean to me & what have I gained from it? The Romantic and romance...relationships...story...an audience...scenes and sentences...wonder full wanderings...visits to other places...new friends...poems and promises. The Relationship?...it warms me, enlivens me, enriches me, entertains me, intriques and delights me. The meaning?...that time and distance have no hold over us. The gain?...my vocation and my voice. The realization?...that Love can find you, that Romance can save your sanity and salvage your imagination, that you're only as old as you act. A friend once told me, "When you think of it, everything is a fandom of some kind or another. Religions, sports, nations, families, careers, professions, churches, countries..." And, if everything is a fandom, then, we were on the cutting edge to participate in the Best. And, rather than being the outsiders mundanes sometimes mistake as for, we were inside all the time! It's community and communication. It's communion and conversation. It's what all those chat rooms have just recently discovered. It's what fen were doing first. It's about breaking down.barriers that can box us in. It's a wonder. Something to ponder... what color blue are S's eyes? does H look better with or without the lip fuzz? how did they meet? what are they doing now? does S still drive a red car? what happened to that "little fixer-upper"? what's with these guys, anyway? they seem so devoted to each other, is it the FOBB (Fraternal Order of Best Buddies)? or, a modern day version of the Theban band? It's magic. It's enveloping and embracing. It's what kept me going, , while the hard hits of reality slapped me in the face. It's a respite and a retreat. It's a playground and a plaything. It's a vehicle for self-expression and an apprenticeship for a writer. I remember, years ago, my girlfriend's writerly husband putting me down, when I was enthusing about the quality of fan fie. "You don't really think it will do you any good to write these kinds of stories, do you? It's not real writing." Well, SURPRISE! It is. And, it did. It did me a world of good. It gave me a world peopled with others like me. It taught me how to work with an editor. It made me a better writer. It liberated me from the "I Can'ts". It freed me to be me.
- re the TOTM: I've gained so much from S&H its hard to know where to start. When S&H was first shown, I took those guys into my heart, and they have stayed there ever since. I thought that I was the only person on the planet to still 'love' them even though they were no longer on TV, but to my great delight I found other people who shared that 'love'. It opened up a new dimension in my life, and one I think that is closer to the 'real me' than anything else. I'm not 'wife' 'mummy' 'employee' etc., 'just me'. Fandom is great, and bit by bit I have built up quite a S&H collection. I'm an avid reader, so being given the opportunity to read zines is great, that too is a growing collection, the 'gen zines' opening up new adventures, the 'slash zines' opening up a wonderful intimate relationship. S&/H have given me a lot,they are my 'sanity in an insane world', but mostly, they have given" me some wonderful friendships that I feel are bonded as closely as the guys themselves.
- re the TOTM: It is hard to put down on paper ALL the things I've gained from fandom over the years, without writing a novel. Oh yes, writing stories was one of them! It was great fun to write the alternate universe for David's role in Magnum Force, and Teri was a great help to me in that "Harry and Johnny" series. In most cases people have discovered H/J from reading S&H, but once in a blue moon someone will have read the H/J &S/H crossovers, and discovered S&H fandom that way. S&H was off the air in Cleveland from 1981 to 1995 when TNT finally started showing them again. During that time we old-timers did a lot of cloning of episodes and authorized zines. And now we are still cloning zines for new S&H fans who hAve just discovered S&H fandom. The enthusiasm of newcomers is refreshing. It makes us remember how we felt when we first discovered this amazing pair of characters.
- re the TOTM: I discovered fandom in general about 15 years ago and S&H (the show and the fandom) about four years ago. S&H fandom means that I have discovered a wonderful show about two good-looking guys who are best friends, love one another and aren't afraid to show it. In this cruel and cynical world we live in today, Starsk and Hutch and their relationship, is a ray of sunshine in my life. I have gained many more fan friends and enjoy these relationships very much. Fans are some of the nicest people on earth.
- from a fan: The very first SH L/Z (ed. Diana Barbour) had just been launched.The very first fanzines were being published. Zebracon was about to begin its on-going career. And I had never seen 'The Fix' - nor a few other episodes which BBC has always withheld from screening. A transatlantic trip would meet a lot of needs. So I hopped accordingly and made that first trip to the West Coast — to San Francisco and Los Angeles, into the warm and wonderful world of SH friends/fandom/locations. Couple of years later came Chicago and my first Zebracon.
- a fan writes:
- a clipping with a photo of three of the actors
- S & H Song Videos -- "Here's some more lyrics sent in by [B and J]... d'ya think the lyrics fit? -- lyrics to "Calm at the Centre of My Storm" -- no artist credited, "I Don't Know" by Celine Dion
- "Bad Girls Have More Fun" -- two reports by fans of meeting four of the stars of "Starsky & Hutch" ("Starsky," "Hutch," "Huggy Bear," and "The Torino") at an event in London
- "Insane Sam, The Appliance Man," humorous fiction in script format, by Pat Massie
- "Mr Fixit," fiction by Tabby Davis
- "Huggy's Word on the Street," what the stars are up to
Me n' Thee Times 3 was published in June/July 1999 and contains 32 pages.
- TOTM: "If you had the chance to ask Paul &/or David ONE question what would it be?"
- the editor describes in great detail her experience of being interviewed at her house for a documentary about Starsky & Hutch called "Word on the Street." It aired in the UK on May 31, 1999.
- the editor describes her experience seeing David Soul in concerts in the UK at Aylesbury and Reading
- re the TOTM: if you could ask just one question ... Mine would concern the experience of becoming the focus of our response to a TV series — would be about this phenomenon of fans and fandom. How does it feel to be told that your series, your work, have made the kind of difference which we know they have, to be on the receiving end of that kind of/interest? Perspectives must surely be different from that angle. Is it sometimes hard to handle, to get your mind around that fact of having exerted that kind of influence? I suppose it's a question relating to fandom in general not just to one series. Presumably, it can't be a question which preoccupies time/attention on a daily basis. But when it does surface, are answers perhaps elusive, complex? And any attempt at serious analysis would have to begin with definitions. Fandom can be protean in its manifestations. Fans come in a variety of packaging.
- regarding song vids: Song lyrics ... all those creative tapes. The song which Jacqui suggests recalls another apt choice — 'The wind beneath my wings', quite often featured on the tapes. Both use the same kind of imagery. It's not surprising that the same titles recur on so many of them, independently compiled by so many people. At last year's ZEDCON, I spent happy hours re-watching music videos.' Compulsive viewing. There's the ingenuity of items such as 'My old yellow car'/'Lasagna'/Vatican Rag' . Who was first to put those words and pictures together ? For post-'Sweet Revenge', there are two which seem to me very appropriate — 'The best of times is now' (from La Cage aux Folles') and 'These are the Days of Our Life' (Queen's 'Innuendo' album). And for KH in 'White Knight' mode, there's 'Don Quixote', Last June's marathon songtape session included one which was new to me — must track down title. Its reiterated line fits exactly: "I like you...you like me'. Right. Maybe I'll hear it again at this year's ZEDCON. For the authentic SH voice/idiom, there are three I'd place ahead of all the rest ... "Bridge Over Troubled Water" / "You Needed Me' / and (what else?) "The Rose." It was good to see how that songline was demonstrated in the final sequence of last night's TV SH Documentary ... 
- this issue three ZedCon reports, see that page
- a Sweet Revenge quiz
- a long review by Flamingo of the episode "Gillian"
- some clippings
- poem: "Reunion 2018" by Hazel Houldey
- "Huggy's Word on the Street," what the stars are up to
- a full-page ad for zines by Charlotte Frost
- the lyrics to "You Needed Me," credited to Boyzone, this is part of the song vid series of reprinting lyrics as suggestions or suggestive of SH song vids
Me n' Thee Times 4 was published in Aug/Sept 1999 and contains 28 pages.
- TOTM: "Ask S&H fans what their favourite episodes are and you can "bet your bottom dollar" they'll be h/c ones - Coffin, The Fix, Shootout - but of the 2 guys who do you think is the best comforter? And who's best at getting hurt? And why?"
- some clippings
- some reprinted photos from the show
- poem: "To the Day" by Sunsannah
- this issue doesn't have "Huggy's Word on the Street" column
- a short fic by a small child named Michael, called "Blue Eyes and Blue Jeans 3"
- fiction: "A Far and Distant Place" by Barbara Griffith
- part two of a long review by Flamingo of the episode "Gillian"
- fiction: "Scars That Only I Can See" by Linda Cole
- a fan comments about being a casual fan as a teenager during the original run, losing touch with the show, and then becoming a fan again: Then something odd happened. On May 31 this year, quite by accident, I switched on Channel 4 only to find a whole night devoted to my 70s idols. The pilot, a documentary, two episodes. I settled down to watch with my mum, who was visiting, and my husband, a cult TV fan who was mildly interested to see how well, or otherwise, the show had aged. Mum gave up after the first 15 minutes and did the crossword. Husband grinned at the flares but did concede the show's unique place in TV cop show history. He did huff a bit when I pointed out that PMG was God's gift to a drooling teenager and that, strangely enough, the documentary proved he was also God's gift to a drooling thirty-something. Me? I was totally unprepared for my reaction to it all. From the first beats of "Gotcha" I was back in my mum and dad's lounge, lying prostrate, chin resting on hands at 9pm on a Saturday night, warning my parents not to talk AT ALL in the next 50 minutes. But more than that, as I watched the Channel 4 night all those all feelings I had for the show and our boys came flooding back just the same. I loved the dialogue, I loved the fashions (well, maybe not Hutch's penchant for plaid shirts) but most of all I loved the relationship the friendship, the caring, whisper it quietly, the love, that shone through the screen, burst through some mediocre scripts and lit up what could have been a very average series if the casting had not been 100 per cent spot on. I was really quite shocked by the depths of my feelings. Was it just nostalgia? Don't think so. I enjoy The Sweeney and other 70s shows, but they don't have the pull, the hold on me that this one does. Was it that the show was actually rather good? Well, yes, it was rather better than I remembered in some ways. Certainly the subject matter was sometimes cutting-edge. I didn't realise that at the time. I was too busy ogling PMG's wonderful bod. Was it that the incendiary chemistry between David and Paul transcended a mere TV cop show and turned it into something that we, as fans, responded to on a very different level? Something far more basic? Perhaps that love and friendship are all that matters when push comes to shove. Take them away and we might as well be the guinea pigs running around on my lad's hutch. We all like to love and be loved. We all like being and having friends. For me, it's as simple and as complicated as that. No show has captured our need for both as well as S and H. That's what makes it special for me and I suspect for most of the other fans who have stayed loyal for two decades.
Me n' Thee Times 5/6 was published in 2000.
- TOTM: "The year 2000 marks the 25th Anniversary of S&H's first appearance on our TV screens. What do you think makes the show still so appealing after 25 years?"
Me n' Thee Times 7 was published in 2000
Me n' Thee Times 8 was published in 2000
Content from Unknown Issues
- Do I Really Have to Wear A Tie? by Nikki Harrington (also in A Love Story #2)
- "Those Who Believe" by Jatona P. Walker
- That documentary was the May 21, 1999 airing of "The Word on the Street. "