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On alt.tv.x-files.creative, this developed into a long-running series of flamewars, known as the Ordover Wars . For many participants, this constituted their first flamewar, their first encounter with a professional editor, and possibly their first direct exposure to disapproval of fanfic as not worthwhile.
He did the same on alt.startrek.creative, where he also trumpeted his plan to get fans to write 'real', published work, by publishing an anthology of Star Trek short fiction. Several ASC fans were, in fact, published in the resultant anthology, Strange New Worlds.
An Ordover Pattern
Many fans on the Usenet sites refused to use his given name, referring to him as "O," or "the man they dare not say his name," or "J*hn *rd*v*r at P*ck*t B**ks" or "Ensign Or[censored]." This was done in attempts to keep Ordover from coming to the discussion groups, as many fans believed he searched his name and showed up after his name was mentioned on the list.  This was confirmed by Ordover himself in December 1998:
. While many fans disliked what they perceived to be Ordover arrogant intrusion, other fans found it appealing, and enjoyed having the attention of someone in the industry:I don't lurk here :) . While I do post here about Strange New Worlds and related topics (and will of course check that thread from time to time, to answer any questions), what I do on a regular basis is run an AltaVista search on keywords that include "Star Trek" "books" "novels" and "Ordover." So when my name is used, I'll know it, and can show up. Many fans are aware of this, and will "shout out" for me on various topics. So, for instance, when "John Ordover" was used as the subject of this thread, it was flagged on my netsearch and brought me here.:)  [Other examples:  ]
You know, I don't think there are many sr editors that would check threads on a newsgroup for any reason. Give John some credit for taking time out of his schedule (Remember that backlog! :)) and posting thoughtful responses like the one he did to JWinter. 
Irregardless of the reception to Ordover's participation, there was often a pattern: Ordover's name would come up in a Usenet post, or at least in one instance, as the topic of the satiric story The Bridges of Ordover County. Ordover, searching his name, would then insert himself and respond in these discussions. Some of those discussions included Ordover's socks and almost always became quite heated.
Ordover and Sockpuppets
"Clothing Optional", and a Prankster
Mr. Ordover is no stranger to controversy, or to media attention, and likes to stir things up. 
Ordover is the founder of "Clothing Optional Dinners," which was a monthly gathering of nudists or naturists at various restaurants around Manhattan, New York.  He was also an organizer for nude dinner cruises. 
Usenet Post Examples
- FRAUD WARNNING; archive link (February 16, 1996)
- Rodenberry and fanfic?; archive link (March 28, 1998)
- Why not be a leader?; archive link (December 4, 1998)
- So you want to be a pro writer...; archive link (December 6, 1998)
- One last try...; archive link (December 7, 1998)
- Well, Mr. Ordover?; archive link (December 8, 1998)
- In support of Ordover (October 11, 1999)
- Ordover was an attendee at SFWA New Yorker Reception, photos, November 2000
- The Woodwards. The Ordover Files, 01 January 1999. (Accessed 30 October 2010)
- "shhhhh! When you mention his name, he has a way of just turning up." -- ASC (2000)
- An example of other creative fannish spelling for the similar reasons are those for Will Shetterly.
- ORDOVER; archive link (December 3, 1998)
- "John Ordover here (I occassionally check usenet for my name, so fans can ask me questions, and I found this thread). -- Use of pseudonyms; archive link (March 21, 1999)
- "... a certain professional publisher on ASC (and please don't mention him by name--like Betelgeuse, he'll show up)" -- Writers on Writing (January 1, 2000)
- ORDOVER; archive link (December 3, 1998)
- Please Don’t Marry Our Daughters; archive link, by Brad Stone, September 11, 2007
- Naked Dining in Manhattan, August 13, 2005
- CODINNERS - Clothing-Optional Dinners - No hot soup..., 2007, accessed March 15, 2017