- I'm dumb, lol. It's because I'm on the page it's linked to. Got it. - Jacksbrak (talk) 22:48, 16 February 2020 (UTC)
Tropes + Lots of Pages
Hi-ya, cool project, you seem really dedicated to your fandom! I came across the project maybe a week ago and was looking through some of the stubs in in. Now I'm not in the IT fandom, so I'm afraid I could't be of any help and may be ignorant on the subjects the pages cover. Though maybe I could help a little by giving an opinion on organization, since I'm not in the fandom!
I think I may be a little confused about some of the "trope" pages, just because I thought tropes were more of scenarios or as the fanlore page puts them as "plot devices." Maybe it'll make more sense to me when the pages are filled in more, but "character has fanny pack," "is sometimes blonde," and "has shorts" aren't quite striking me as plot devices or scenarios. Do they each need a separate page? I think it would be pretty neat and more organized to have a full page for these "tropes" and/or common fan practices. Some fandom pages even have a trope section directly on the page itself so it's all congregated in one page.
I also think looking at the long list of pairings is also somewhat intimidating: there are 109 pairings without pages yet and 38 already made, for a total of 147 whole pairing pages that the project is looking to make. That's a lot of combinations... and no doubt some of those have to be rare pairs, and some have to be minimal to the fandom because I can't imagine every single combo in that list of 143 pairings is unique and special. Surely some pairing names are self explanatory, with little more to add to the page. I even see where the pairings are supposed to be added to the character pages themselves; if the pairings are being explained on character pages, does every single combination need its own page, too? That seems like it would be sort of redundant for smaller pairings and just more work for you. For example the pairing on the list called "Victor Criss/Beverly Marsh" has just 5 fanfics on AO3, and only 2-3 of them are dedicated to JUST that pairing, so it's obviously tiny. Does it really need its own page?
Anyways, you don't gotta listen to any of my opinions on that as any useful page is great! But you sure do have your work cut out for you with so many stubs to make and add useful info into, phew. Good luck! Patchlamb (talk) 01:33, 31 May 2020 (UTC)
- I'm so sorry! I didn't get a notif for this addition to the talk page. Apologies ahead of time for the vent that is forthcoming. It's not you. Please skip to the tl;dr to save me some embarrassment. But I do feel it had to be said.
- -deleted because it really is embarrassing, but you can obviously still view it on the History ~Jacksbrak-
- tl;dr: Getting back to the point: this fandom is huge, and if I tried to congregate even just the smaller things all in one place I would most assuredly be told it was too clunky/cluttered. Jacksbrak (talk) 06:25, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
- Oh, don't be sad! I know having to handle a lot of info is quite a task, and you're obviously very passionate about your fandom. I did notice at least two categories you created got deleted by gardeners. I think maybe the deletions are just due to some confusion on the way Fanlore likes to stay organized, is all! Specifically for the categories you created for people- IT artists and IT authors. Fanlore seems to want to use already existing categories for pages created about people, so they find the two separate categories you made as redundant. Though, even if you ended up without having an IT Authors and IT artists categories, you still have the over encompassing IT category that the people pages can be added into, so they're not separate from their fandom.
- I wouldn't worry toooo much about overly long pages, I've seen a lot of long pages and have made a few myself. The important part of a long page is that they overwhelmingly contain good fandom info. I've created the Fawnlings History page and haven't run into any issues (yet) with its length or format, though it would probably never be nominated for a featured article or anything haha. Looking at the Trope category though I'll rescind my bit about making trope pages, looks like people do make categories for fandom tropes, which I wasn't aware of since I don't really deal with tropes.
- What I'm saying is don't be discouraged! I promise the gardeners aren't doing it to be mean. Fanlore is a pretty loose wiki but it does have a few rules in regards to organization. However, pages are never deleted without discussion in the talk page. If you see someone proposing deletion check the page's talk page and make sure they understand your view point on why the page/category should stand. If no one can argue for the page to stay they'll delete it because no one defended it. If you still decide to leave that's your decision, and I wanna thank you for all the great work! Patchlamb (talk) 16:56, 3 June 2020 (UTC)