Andromeda Shun

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Name: Andromeda Shun, Andromeda Shaun, (アンドロメダの瞬, Andoromeda no Shun)
Occupation: Bronze Saint
Relationships: Phoenix Ikki (Brother)
Fandom: Saint Seiya
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Andromeda Shun is one of the five main characters in the Saint Seiya franchise. He also appears in other Spin-offs like "Omega Chapter" or "Episode G". At a certain point in the story, Shun becomes the vessel for the god Hades. In the Netflix series "Knights of the Zodiac", Shun was genderbent and his name was changed to Shaun.


Cover of the doujinshi "Tokurakuen Paradise" (1987) featuring Shun.

Shun has been from the beginning a controversial character for not adjusting to the archetype of masculinity of the time. He is a boy who has no shame in showing his emotions. He also has a peaceful demeanor and prefers not to fight if he can help it. That doesn't mean he's a coward, as with a heavy heart, he'll do whatever it takes if running away from battle is not an option.

From the beginning, some Saint Seiya fans have confused his pacifism with cowardice or lack of manliness.[1] The fact that his armor is pink (a colour associated with feminity), the chest piece is shaped as a pair of breasts and represents a female mythological character (Andromeda), also contributed to the mockery that a sector of the fandom directed at him, often from male fans. Although that today has changed, as times have changed and people became more open minded, it used to be more common to find fan comments and memes referring to Shun with homophobic slurs and sexist remarks. Some changes made in the original anime also contributed to his reputation as a softy, the fact that his brother Ikki frequently showed up to save him and finish his battles for him, thing that doesn't happen as often in the manga.[2]

The Libra temple scene in the anime generated both criticism and excitement. Fans (especially male fans) accused the animation studio of "making Shun gay" as he lays on top of Hyoga to warm him up. In the manga this scene happens differently, with Shun taking Hyoga in his arms and leaning him against his body.[3] In the Spanish-speaking fandom there is a recurring meme that says "what happened in the Libra temple, stays in the Libra temple", implying that they had sex while everyone else ran to the Scorpio house. This is the scene that made Hyoshun become the second most popular ship in the franchise.

Shun's "official wife" controversy

A fan sent messages to anyone who would write or draw Andromeda x OC, stating that they were not allowed to do so as she was Shun's official wife. The sender asserted that this marriage had been authorized by the Saint Seiya author through a Japanese company named "getbox" and even presented a "marriage certificate" as proof. However, the fandom reacted skeptically, noting that no such company appears to exist that arranges marriages between real people and fictional characters.[4]

Knights of the Zodiac Shun's genderswap controversy

Meme in Spanish. It says: I. Have. Liked. All. NOT YOU. Versions. Of. Shun by Tania Peralta

In 2019, Netflix announced the premiere of a CGI remake of the classic series, with some changes in hopes of helping the franchise achieve what it never did (and still hasn't to this day): succeed with English-speaking audiences. One of those changes was Shun's genderswap. The change was made to have some female inclusivity in the group of five leads. However, the news were not well received in the fandom. Many fans argued that turning Shun into a girl was the worst decision they could make if they wanted some female inclusivity, as Shun, out of the five leads, deviated the most from the classic concept of masculinity. By making him a girl, it seemed to be sending a message: that his personal attributes (being sensitive, pacifist, gentle, considerate...) were feminine attributes[5]. Other fans called the decision "woke", while some disagreed, saying that there is nothing "woke" or feminist in changing the sex of a character like Shun, but on the contrary, it was a sexist decision. There were some memes saying that now, male straight fans could jerk off to Shun without feeling guilty. Eugene Son, the responsible for this decision, had to delete some tweets where he spoke about the need to change Shun into Shaun after backlash from fans.[6]

Shaun was better received in the Asian fandom and not many fans seemed to care about Shun being replaced.

In 2022, the controversy was reignited when the third season of Knights of the Zodiac premiered on Crunchyroll. In the first season Netflix made a lot of changes from the source material, created new story arcs, and used the characters in ways that would clash a bit with events that were going to happen later on. The changes of the first two seasons made it more difficult for Shun to be compared to Shaun constantly. With this third season, Crunchyroll decided to return to the origin and make the series more faithful to the manga. That meant scrapping the story arcs laid out in the first two seasons and making arrangements to fill in any plot holes that might arise from those changes.

With events being more faithful to the manga, the comparisons between Shun and Shaun began again. It didn't help that the creators decided to stick several close-ups of Shaun's bottom, wearing tight leggings. Some fans pointed out that unlike Shun, they were sexualizing Shaun.

The following week Crunchyroll released the Libra house chapter and the wank turned for the worse.

That scene, already very controversial in the original series, sparked the anger of many fans. In the original anime, the group comes across one of their comrades, Hyoga, locked in a huge block of ice. They rescue him and while Seiya and Shiryu carry on to Scorpio's house, Shun stays behind to revive Hyoga using his life energy. In KotZ this scene underwent several changes, with the protagonists thinking that Hyoga was dead and leaving Shaun alone with him, as she was blaming herself for his death. When Seiya and Shiryu are gone, Shaun discovers that Hyoga is alive and begins to revive him, warming him up with her Cosmos. Some fans argued that this change was sexist, as it implies girls are more emotional and a burden, while others said the change is valid, as in the original series the group of bronzes didn't think that Hyoga was dead and that details changes everything.

That same day, SSMythclothEX submitted a hate fanart of Shaun, where Hyoga is strangling her with her own chain to the Saintober.[7] From there, some fans began to get the feeling that everything was going too far and that it wasn't right. Some came to the conclusion that Shaun was being blamed for a treatment she was receiving from Crunchyroll and that it wasn't her fault. Many hate messages towards her were deleted. The drawing was criticized for being misogynistic and in poor taste.[8][9]

Later, several fans called the rest to sanity. majuu.pacheco posted various fanarts of Shaun covered in bruises and injuries after being bashed left and right by the fandom and Shun, her male counterpart, giving her a hug.[10] After the criticism, SSMythClothEX rectified and made another entry for the Saintober called "The true forgiveness" where Genet comforts Shaun and Shun fights against "the toxic fan".[11]

Meme in Spanish. Seiya: "We'll leave him in your hands, Shun." Shun: "I'll warm him up with my pecs and my cosmos."

Things calmed down after this.

Shun and Guardians of the Cosmos discovery

In December 1 2022, a tape of an old unreleased cartoon named "Guardians of the Cosmos" was discovered by TheRayMona. The tape contained a western version of the series similar to Saban Moon. It immediately caught the attention of fans that Shun's design was quite bulky and muscular, since he has always been the least corpulent of the five main characters. He was nicknamed by fans "Gigachad Shun" and given the headcanon that he is the one saving Ikki in this alternate universe and not the other way around. Memes about what the scene in the temple of Libra would have been like with this ripped version of Shun were immediate.


All other shun ships are super rarepairs.

Example Fanworks



Links & Resources


  1. ^ Meme in Portuguese. It says: "The Andromeda chain is trying to tell me something!" in the second panel, the chain is spelling the word "GAY". by NoixQVoaBruxao., Archived version
  2. ^ Meme in Spanish. It says: "I'll show you my biggest technique." In the image below it says: "BROTHEEEER!!!", Archived version by Elgato
  3. ^ Meme in Spanish. It shows a scene comparison between manga and anime. Below, Shun appears saying "Animators, why did you make me gay?" by Clusters :), Archived version
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  5. ^ "Andromeda Shun's Gender change in the netflix series is so tone deaf" by DragonSJG, Archived version
  6. ^ Saint Seiya fans shocked as gender swap for Andromeda Shun revealed in new Netflix series, Archived version
  7. ^ [ INKTOBER 2022 Day 10 Forgiveness Neither forgive nor forget xD], Archived version
  8. ^ Wow, bad taste and misogyny in one image.
  9. ^ [ Tweet in Spanish. Translation: I'm not going to say anything because I'm furious with anger and it's bad for my health, but I'm telling you that if you use Shaun's issue as an excuse to make misogynistic drawings and comments, you haven't understood ANYTHING. I am very upset and disappointed.]
  10. ^ majuu.pachecooOauUuUh! 🐺👻🎃 on Twitter: "I don't care if they hate me... Or they love me... The important thing is that no one disrespects or hurts you. Your loved ones want the best for you. And that is what I want to see: You being well. I like you so much, Shun. Never stop being the wonderful person you are." #SaintSeiya #kotz" / Twitter
  11. ^ El verdadero perdón by SSMythClothEX