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SIs / Mary Sues

2006 discussion of Mary Sues vs SIs: https://www.toonzone.net/forums/threads/the-differences-between-self-insertions-and-mary-sues.4044361/

  • reddit thread [4]

GAFF

Media: [5][6]

Culture: [7]

History: [8]6-13-2007 "forums are gone for good"

History WBM: [9][10][11][12][13]

Reactions:[14][15][16][17][18][19]+I'll grab that one fandomgeographies posted abt on the talk page.

Further reading or whatever[20]


things that are only kinda related but should be used

mentions mary sue whipple and fanlib [21]

Tumblr talking about an old LOTR fic that's also mentioned in that Godawful Fan Fiction wiki page: [22][23]

HPMOR

  • page of DLP thread that i was last on [24]
  • [25] atlantic article from june.
  • problems with the rational aspects:

One forum-goer criticised Yudkowsky's portrayal of science:

You want a more substantive issue with the story? Fine. For all his talk of Bayesian inference and how important the "methods of rationality" are, Harry shows irrational, unscientific thinking in his "scientific" discussion of the genetics of magic and blood: From a solitary, small-sample-set measurement (without vetting the sampling methodology to determine whether the sample set could have been biased--there are any number of ways this could be so), Harry draws crisp conclusions about a system without couching it properly in probabilistic language.

He then takes the irresponsible step of permitting both he and his minion to go forth with the new "scientific truth" without even considering an obvious alternative: that although the experiment may have been constructed well, it's feasible for one of the alternative hypotheses to be valid yet still express the same outcome within their limited test. How probable is this? It's an elementary application of Bayesian theory to work out. (Incidentally, I've always disliked the term, "Bayesian," since it's just an elementary result from the algebra of conditional probabilities; the mathematical operation of division hardly deserves its own special name in this particular context).

A real scientist would recognize this and express the outcome in terms of uncertainty. If necessary, he would have used the first experiment to guide the design a more conclusive follow-on experiment that would reduce the uncertainty (or disprove the results of the first experiment). He would look at his sampling methodology and consider the possibility of bias. After a series of such experiments, he would have higher confidence that whatever hypothesis is supported by the data is valid, yet would never possess the conceit that he has "proven" anything beyond doubt. Sure, it wouldn't have served the story as well, with Draco's breakdown and the like (the mechanics of doing science is rarely as glamorous as portrayed in fiction), but then it wouldn't pretend to be something it isn't either.

If an author cannot write believably about a character smarter than he (an implicit admission on the author's part that he believes his own brilliance to be on par with Harry's), it could also be the case that one also cannot write believably about the scientific process without being one. This author does not appear to be a scientist.

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  • @ self investigate [26] re: reactions to Yudkowsky's feelings on social interactions
  • [27] spacebattles
  • frustration with people not even reading hp reading the story bc some author endorsed it [28]
am I seriously the only one to notice the sketch-to-the-max nature of Dumbledore and Quirrell!mort?

No, you're not. But after this author did the same damn thing with Hermione and (incredibly infuriatingly, at least to me) with Snape, I've lost any hope that this fic is going to get better. I mean, he took a character with a quasi-three-dimensional backstory (Snape) and turned him into a character who would spill his deepest secret to teach Harry 'a lesson'. No, that is not how Snape would behave, the man's much more intelligent than that, and the fact that LessWrong suddenly decided that Snape's backstory needed to be brought forth within this period with no buildup or even hesitation to support his big message ruins the character completely and does a fine job ruining the story along with it.

You know something I'm coming to realize? This fic feels like the ultimate 'Dan Brown/Twilight' cross for HP fanfiction. Flat, uninteresting characters except for the main character who can do no wrong. A plot by the numbers, with any mystery immediately abolished by the author surrogate masquerading as the lead, delivering speeches on his 'Methods of Rationality' every half-chapter so we all can get your message. Complete neglect for the mythos of the pre-existing beliefs surrounding elements of the universe (just like Stephanie Meyer turned vampires into sparkling emo pansies, LessWrong strives to convert every element of the HP-verse into his scientific mindset). A 'theme' or 'message' so blatantly unrealistic and ultimately infuriating that it needs to be reintroduced every single fucking chapter.

And finally, it's written just well enough so that it can garner a massive fanbase of clueless fucks who don't know enough real science or statistics or philosophy to know that LessWrong's message breaks down in the real world to a giant load of horse shit.

This story had potential (not much, but it had some), but that's gone. And, like the rest of DLP, we all saw it coming.

1/5[2]


rational fic

-that rational si thread on SV -/r/rational and its rewriting the sidebar thing probably -this longass post about 'fanwank' and how HPMoR is the greatest ever bc blah blah blah [29] -sesc post from same thread [30] and taure's reply below the above one[31] --plus follow up here n on the page [32] -that fandomsecrets post on the HPMoR thread had some good stuff


wrangling

  • YGO shipping thing from bast [33]
  • august 2017 unwrangled tags lamentation [34]

debacle

A Central Post For Keeping Track of AO3 Communication Pt. 3: 368 Days Later

via dememe:

challenges n exchanges


remixes

  1. ^ Perspicacity, on the Dark Lord Potter Methods of Rationality thread, posted 12 June 2010. (Accessed 26 July 2018.)
  2. ^ Silens Cursor replying to Catamount, on the Dark Lord Potter Methods of Rationality thread, posted 01 July 2010. (Accessed 26 July 2018.)
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